Y'all crazy....
Are people happy to be left with just Dalot?
Are people happy to be left with just Dalot?
Wan-Bissaka for sale | joins West Ham
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i think the idea is to upgrade AWB while he has improved his value and get a modern attacking FB that better fits what EtH would like to see. This is exactly what people have been bitching that united dont do, sell players that dont fit systems while they have value.
I think the club will obviously get a new right back in the summer- Frimpong or Dumfries (my own preference) and AWB will probably want to move on. The great thing is, he's played pretty well at times this season and his one-vs-one ability is elite level so, although i don't think we'll get the full 50 million back, he's worth a good 30 million.
Keep AWB.
Try and use Dalot as a makeweight in a deal for Diogo Costa and try for Frimpong.
Profit.
Try and use Dalot as a makeweight in a deal for Diogo Costa and try for Frimpong.
Profit.
Not like we could sign a RB is it….
No, AWB will easily go for 25 - 30m . Costa is way too costly when we can sign Raya or Sanchez for cheap.
Dalot if sold won't fetch more than AWB
And if the new signing turns out like most of our signings we will be left with new RB and dalot, that isn't scary at all.
So basically you haven't watched a game in the last couple of months.
Alright Victor Meldrew, calm down!
i mean i dont get this thinking at all. Because some signings dont work out we shouldnt try and sign people now ever? When did AWB become this star that we should build our team around? He has limitations, he has worked his way back to decent value, now is the time to cash in if we think we can upgrade efficiently.
Porto are not in a good financial position right now, using a player in a deal with Costa would drive the price down further still.
Goalkeeper is not a position to cheap out on, he is the right one for how EtH wants to play so it is imperative to get him.
Raya is prone to the same mistakes in distribution as de Gea and de Zerbi benched Sanchez because Steele is better at that aspect of the game also. No thanks to either of them.
He’s a left back?
ETH probably wants a more attacking wing-back and Dalot is more happy to be a backup. Plus we can make more money selling Wan Bissaka.
You talk about mistakes and then, bring Costa into the discussion? that too with Raya who has been one of the best GK this season?
I rest my case.
Seems it would be low priority, when we have so many other holes in the squad.
RB is not one of the three priorities (GK, cm and St). But If we can get an offer for AWB for 30 mil it makes sense to sell him since it will be feasible to upgrade with 15-20 millions more. We sell Brandon Williams for 5-10 millions, and suddenly the upgrade is only 10 millions away.
keep
Id take another Casemiro, Eriksen, Martinez at RB thanks
And if we don't?
Then why would we sell
You tell me, I'm not the one making the arguement
The argument was made with the idea of signing a RB to replace him (which better suits ETHs system), not to sell him just for the sake of selling
For you maybe so at least that's clear, but others are making the argument to sell him as his value is high or that he apparently isn't suited or whatever other reason justifies.
And replace him
With the incredibly rapid progress he's made since Christmas, and given the amount of money that needs spending elsewhere I think it would be foolhardy to sell him. He may improve again after a full preseason with ETH.
You seem to want to assume that you know what the forum thinks and can speak for them even when its clear that some do not agree with you. There are posters who would be happy just selling him as they don't think he is good enough for reasons... They are stupid. If you are disputing this then let's stop there.
Or maybe I just followed the conversation from the beginning.
If I trusted our transfer process and scouting then I'd be happy to replace him, as I don't think his ceiling is much higher than his current version. ETH did very well to simplify the game for AWB and get him a bit more comfortable on the ball, but he's never going to be a real contributor in our attack and for all his ability in pure 1v1 situations against wingers, he's lacking in off ball awareness and is poor in the air.
All that being said, I don't trust us to actually competently replace him so I'd rather keep if 30m is all we are getting, but I do think we need to be upgrading on either him or Dalot sooner than later with a real attacking RB
All that being said, I don't trust us to actually competently replace him so I'd rather keep if 30m is all we are getting, but I do think we need to be upgrading on either him or Dalot sooner than later with a real attacking RB
He deserves a second chance, he's put in the work and been better than Dalot since the world cup.
Would be typical of us to sell him and Dalot keeps playing us like a fiddle over a new deal and leaves for Real next summer for free.
I wouldn’t sell AWB. He’s shown massive improvement this year both on the ball and in his attacking play. His defending is still up there with the best in Europe especially in 1v1 situations.
We have to look at the bigger picture; we will be playing the 6 top teams in the prem where we will likely be playing in a counter attacking system in addition to the CL games we hopefully will be in when it’s the KO stage. There’s also away games where his defensive ability would be good (Palace against Zaha, Brighton against Mitoma for example)
There are games AWB will be a difference maker in as he can lock down the right side without much help.
I would love an upgrade over Dalot who’s attacking and ideal for games where we will play on the front foot and have lots of the ball, but AWB is a great option in the squad as he offers us something others simply can’t.
We have to look at the bigger picture; we will be playing the 6 top teams in the prem where we will likely be playing in a counter attacking system in addition to the CL games we hopefully will be in when it’s the KO stage. There’s also away games where his defensive ability would be good (Palace against Zaha, Brighton against Mitoma for example)
There are games AWB will be a difference maker in as he can lock down the right side without much help.
I would love an upgrade over Dalot who’s attacking and ideal for games where we will play on the front foot and have lots of the ball, but AWB is a great option in the squad as he offers us something others simply can’t.
I guess you've got to sell players that aren't currently crap to rasie funds, but it'll be a wrench to lose AWB just when he's looked so good, but I suppose that's the point.
He's surely got to be worth £40 million of any mid league teams money.
He's surely got to be worth £40 million of any mid league teams money.
I would say he's been our most consistent player in last couple of months. All round game has improved (And still needs to). Id keep him
Dont have an issue with selling him but I would rather sell Dalot now and get a new RB then sell bissaka later.
Is not good enough and at champions league level he is usually absolutely terrible. If Ten Hag has an eye on a new Right back I'd let him go. For me its RB, CM, CM, FW this summer and moving on players like AWB, DVB, Fred, Mctominay, Maguire and Martial along with a few more if we can.
Frimpong is no more of a rightback than Lamptey was in the past 2 years as people built him up as a priority signing. He plays well when he's used as a Wingback with 3 CBs doing the defending, or you could say a right midfielder due to how much he's in attack. And he's very good at it. But he's a much worse rightback than our fullbacks and unless you dont watch our matches you should be aware that our fullbacks have to do a lot of defending.
The actual rightback that could be a bit special is Fresneda. He likes to defend and try to win the ball as well as being very comfortable with the ball and at 18 he's already starting for Vallodolid. If someone like that was wanting to come, then it would make sense to move Dalot or AWB - someone good for someone potentially great. But it makes no sense to move them for a player who doesn't even specialize in the same position
The actual rightback that could be a bit special is Fresneda. He likes to defend and try to win the ball as well as being very comfortable with the ball and at 18 he's already starting for Vallodolid. If someone like that was wanting to come, then it would make sense to move Dalot or AWB - someone good for someone potentially great. But it makes no sense to move them for a player who doesn't even specialize in the same position
Yeah, I was really thinking about the wider full back situation and how we'd cope if we moved on AWB without signing a replacement RB.
Shaw as obvious first choice on the left, Dalot capable of playing on either side, but mostly on the right. Fernandez as an rotation option on the left, esp if we needed to play Shaw at CB.
Who do you think suits the way Erik wants to play best out of Timber/Frimpong/Vanderson
Yes we have to look at the bigger picture and actually get rid of the mindset that we have to always play on the counter against top 6 sides away from home or top CL clubs at later stages in Champions league .
We need to become a Club which is proactive and take initiative against most sides as primary tactic even away from home and if we believe Wan Bissaka could progress to become good enough to contribute , then you keep him other wise get rid while his stock is high .
I will exclude Timber since he's CB. Both Frimpong and Vanderson are two different type of right back based on FBref.
On the ball:
Vanderson almost looks similar to Dalot where both prefer to do progressive passer rather than dribbling or carrying and both don't have high end product, while Frimpong progressive passing is very low but he's great progressive carrier and capable to beat his men with great end product.
I think to improve our expected assist, our quality chance creation, and provide help for Antony who is more one footed, Frimpong is more suitable.
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