To be fair we've mismanaged every single player's career at the club. But as you've alluded to - onwards and upwards.
Wan-Bissaka for sale | joins West Ham
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To be fair we've mismanaged every single player's career at the club. But as you've alluded to - onwards and upwards.
We've certainly mismanaged players, failed to get the best out of most of them, etc.
But I think Wan-Bissaka is also in that group of players who looks good at 'smaller' teams, when people focus more on his positives; but isn't quite good enough for the 'top' clubs, where his weaknesses are more exposed and highlighted.
He's got good physical attributes and can get up and down well - especially when he has space to run into, as he does more at the likes of Palace. And that's enough to receive praise in the media and certain level clubs. But his technical attributes are limited, and his attacking end product virtually non existent. Which, at a club like United, and compared to what the FB"s at rival clubs produce, is poor and gets criticised more than if he was at the likes of Palace.
Defensively, he's good one on ones. And again, at the likes of Palace, that's what was focused on more. At a club like United, the frequency he gets caught out of position dealing with balls from the other side gets more attention as every goal the top teams concede is a bigger thing, and more scrutinised, than the likes of Palace conceding them. So defenders weak areas there can go under the radar a bit more.
It's similar with Maguire at Leicester. We were looking to buy English, and the positive attributes of those two were being regularly highlighted. But the limitations in their games meant they were never £50m / £80m rated players. And, with those price tags, and playing at a huge clubs, comes more scrutiny on the negatives of their game and less on the positives which are good enough for a certain level - just not necessarily Man United, £50m / £80m level.
Unfortunately, with his increase in wages, there's no way a more suitable level club could afford to buy him permanently at the moment. So a loan to that mid-level PL, with us paying much of his wages, is more likely if he does leave.
But I think Wan-Bissaka is also in that group of players who looks good at 'smaller' teams, when people focus more on his positives; but isn't quite good enough for the 'top' clubs, where his weaknesses are more exposed and highlighted.
He's got good physical attributes and can get up and down well - especially when he has space to run into, as he does more at the likes of Palace. And that's enough to receive praise in the media and certain level clubs. But his technical attributes are limited, and his attacking end product virtually non existent. Which, at a club like United, and compared to what the FB"s at rival clubs produce, is poor and gets criticised more than if he was at the likes of Palace.
Defensively, he's good one on ones. And again, at the likes of Palace, that's what was focused on more. At a club like United, the frequency he gets caught out of position dealing with balls from the other side gets more attention as every goal the top teams concede is a bigger thing, and more scrutinised, than the likes of Palace conceding them. So defenders weak areas there can go under the radar a bit more.
It's similar with Maguire at Leicester. We were looking to buy English, and the positive attributes of those two were being regularly highlighted. But the limitations in their games meant they were never £50m / £80m rated players. And, with those price tags, and playing at a huge clubs, comes more scrutiny on the negatives of their game and less on the positives which are good enough for a certain level - just not necessarily Man United, £50m / £80m level.
Unfortunately, with his increase in wages, there's no way a more suitable level club could afford to buy him permanently at the moment. So a loan to that mid-level PL, with us paying much of his wages, is more likely if he does leave.
Yes but why would you listen to anyone who is already calling Sancho a flop? Let’s see how all these ‘flops’ do under a new coach who is hands on. I’ve seen people call VdB a coward because he tried to play one twos (I.e. didn’t just whack it long), AWB Sunday League, Maguire not PL quality, Martial finished, Rashford finished, Ronaldo finished…you get the picture. Some will not succeed but I’d bet a good few will look like new players next season.
should never have been acquired after one "decent" season at Palace and they priced him the same as Walker. One season of top level experience. we got English taxed. Our transfer strategy under Ole was very suspect. It was clear early this dude was fugazi
Coaches arent miracle worker..if all it takes to retrain position is a few months on the fly then everyone could play anywhere
Well I haven’t looked at the stats for previous seasons so can’t really comment on that. I just expect it was better because when watching matches I could see he was playing better.
I don’t believe it’s a good season for Dalot but it has been his best season. Very low bar mind you.
Progressive passes or passes in advanced positions would have nothing to do with his positioning when attacking. He comes into the centre.
I think Wan Bissaka has more to work with. All that will ultimately matter is if the manager does.
You not going to reply to all the tags you got in the Amber Heard- Johnny Depp thread then?
Sorry not sorry for the off topic
No interest. Outright misogynistic comments and bad faith arguments since the beginning. The case was a farce. Sad to see how celebrity status protects you from being abusive. Everyone on that thread seems to know how I feel so I don't want engage in mindless dirt slinging.
Also it's been a month and some folks are still going at it.
Well I can’t turn off half the forum, that would very much defeat the point of being here, so that’s why I have to read morons posting their opinions on Sancho.
I’m very much excited by EtH but a team that plays attacking swashbuckling football as has been touted has no place for someone who barely qualifies as a footballer in a key position in a modern, attacking team. The poster I responded to thought that we should really go with AWB if we signed Antony, but that would only leave people disappointed when it turns out that not even him can escape being double marked due to getting no help from his right back. And then they’ll complain that Antony doesn’t track back when the opponents inevitably win the ball by triggering their press every time AWB receives the ball and we’ll have gone full circle.
The problem with AWB is not that he does not want to help the winger, but that he tends to get the positions wrong when he is no longer on the ball. We shall leave it to ETH and his coaching staff to see if they can work on his off the ball movement, and if the response is good, he can certainly be the main right back. It also depends on how ETH is going to setup his team in terms of formations.
I agree with the 3rd guy. He had too many things to improve on many of which should be natural or already established as a first team £50 million player. it makes no sense. You are only likely to make minimal improvements on just a few attributes in your career. People act like he will improve 25 % towards max skill score in every attribute.
I called him a *project* of a potentially great player. Not a potentially great player. That said, he's a fantastic 1vs1 defender and a really good dribbler. Improve his off ball defence and passing - both eminently coachable things if the coach is good at his job - and you've got yourself at the very least a shut down defender who contributes well in the build up with his dribbling and doesn't hurt you with his passing. AKA, Ferland Mendy. The guy who just won a double as a key player for Real Madrid. And i don't rate Mendy as a great player, but he's been excellent for us
Now if you could get his final ball to a decent level, you'd have a great player there
I do agree that spending that kind of money on him was pretty mad. Massive gamble that blew up in your face
I think a mid-table team might well go for him but it's probably going to have to be a loan at first due to last season which is frustrating.
I feel passing and off ball defence and naturally gifted things. The technical aspects of the game are typically areas you have from young and off ball defence ties to instincts. I was always good at anticipating in defence but he makes Sunday League errors in positioning despite being at a pro club since young. Same with Shaw. its a lost cause. Even Trent hasn't improved much in this regard. I think we over value how much coaches can improve a player. things like off ball defence should improve with experience of various defensive situations but he stayed the same so he is a shit learner
send him out on loan somewhere where he can build up a bit of confidence and form. Like Lingard did at WH. Then see if said club he’s at will make an offer like WH did. Only United were stupid to turn that down.
He was never even the prospect of a great player. His passing and delivery are woeful, he can only beat players when its happenign at full speed and even then he looks like Bambi about to lose it. When teams sit back, as they did with him, he is utterly useless.
I don’t think we’re going to play swashbuckling football to temper expectations but we will be progressive and keep the ball a lot better. That should help our full backs in particular because our midfield right now is anti-possession and when they get the ball it’s hot potato.
That was me you replied to (I think) and my take is any full back, literally any full back in the league, can make overlapping runs if the coach wants them to. That’s just basic fitness. AWB doesn’t have a great delivery but then Dalot is as sporadic as they come so if we’re comparing the two I’d take AWB right now. Basically allow him to overlap if we sign Antony and just be ok with this season there not being loads of quality coming from his deliveries.
ideally we just sign a great RB and this is all moot but I’m working off the assumption it’s AWB or Dalot.
On what basis? All the stories I've seen since ETH was appointed state AWB is surplus to requirements. Evidently ETH doesn't fancy him. If we don't sign a right back, or even if we promote one from the youth teams, this is Dalot's spot to lose.
He might well want to sell him but I've not seen any credible links about clubs interested in him
My point is it makes little sense to talk about AWB as an option given the manager has evidently decided early on that he isn't up to it. ETH seems a very decisive coach, who has a clear idea what he wants.
Understood. Shut down the thread
I take it you haven't read the thread title.
We didn’t ‘tank his value’, we overpaid for him in the first place. At no point was he potentially ‘great’. He could have a great loan at an EPL club & we still won’t recoup the fee.
Surely it's ok to discuss the possibility AWB won't be sold in the WAN BISSAKA FOR SALE thread?
Yeah, fair point.
Thank you. People fail to understand this.
Even being an excellent tackler, its fine as RB when you outside the box but as a CB, inside the box is a very very dodgy trait to have.
Hey ... I'm not the one who brought up locking threads. Just find it odd shoehorning a player into the side who by all accounts was first on the chopping block by the new manager. Better to discuss how United can best recoup the investment, but that's just my opinion.
marcus, get agrippa.
Sorry couldn't help it... I wonder how much he'll sell for though, his stock is low and he's on big wages - genuinely might be £15m or less with add-ons, clubs know we're desperate to sell him and football has transitioned towards a much less defensive game with full backs needing to be more than good defenders these days. I really think best case scenario (unless someone pays a decent fee for him and that, for me, would be £25m+ which is still a big loss) is we keep him here and he's either just a steady backup or he improves.
Yeah ... I really don't think we can sell him outright. For me, the most realistic option may be a loan, maybe subsidizing his wages. The hope is we can raise his stock to what it was before we bought him. I believe he has two years left on his contract, with an option for an extra year. That is, we don't need to sell immediately. We can wait, hope he does well, and flog him off after next season. And hope it doesn't blow up in our faces like Martial's loan. The wages are still a concern, though, going forward.
Unfortunately, for all the talk of Crystal Palace, I'm skeptical Vieira would want him the way he has them playing right now, but who knows? Either way, we should be looking at a club that might maximize his playing style.
I don't want to take this thread any more off topic than I already have, but I just want to say that if you still think that Heard is the victim after watching that trial then there's no hope for you mate.
Anyway apologies mods for the off topic, I'm done now.
Yep I just can't see us finding a buyer this summer - I bet some of the lower table clubs are putting in ridiculously low bids to test their luck but I can't see anyone paying good money for him & then he might decide to stay after all given his wages and being at United is a great gig. That's why I'm hopeful we'll see him start to improve areas of his game because I do feel sorry for many of our young players who arrived and seem to have been thrown into a team without much of a plan. That's probably what I disliked most about previous United coaches, how lost we looked on the pitch in general versus one or two moments of class that would rescue points - if that changes, i think we'll see the younger players we've lost faith in step up.
This confirms how bullshitting Romero is. But if it’s true it confirms how bat shit crazy Barca are! 
Okay okay, Barca. You can have both but we'll take FDJ. Everybody wins.
This confirms how bullshitting Romero is. But if it’s true it confirms how bat shit crazy Barca are!
That’s enough internet for one day.
Surely barca dont want AWB.
Going from Dani Alves to Aaron Wan Bissaka is like trading in your Lamborghini for a wheelie bin
Why on earth are they selling Dest if they are looking to strengthen at RB and if that’s the case then that means AWB and Dalot are
Better than Dest?!
Better than Dest?!
Now, hear me out. Is this because they can assign a higher fee on the books for a player involved in a partial swap fee that would help them out with FFP?
Is that possible? Oh United bid, say 60m plus AWB for FDJ who we value at 60m so it’s a 120m deal?
Is that possible? Oh United bid, say 60m plus AWB for FDJ who we value at 60m so it’s a 120m deal?
Oi, I'm not having that. A wheelie bin has excellent attacking as well as defensive capabilities. It's the ultimate multi purpose weapon this side of Hadrian's Wall.
Huh... probably, yes.
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