Virgil van Dijk | Performances

[Klopper76]

Wow the Liverpool fans sure seem defensive about him.

That’s because every little misstep brings out irrational posts about how supposedly rubbish he is, even though he’s clearly made our defence much better than it was.

Today wasn’t one of his best games but changing three of the back four never helps either.

 

[JustFootballFan]

That’s because every little misstep brings out irrational posts about how supposedly rubbish he is, even though he’s clearly made our defence much better than it was.

Today wasn’t one of his best games but changing three of the back four never helps either.

All true. At the same time I think Robertson, TAA and Karius deserve a lot more credit than they are given for the transformation of Liverpool.

It´s an improvement alone that Klopp has settled on a goalkeeper. I think if rotation was the best long-term strategy at goalkeeper, we´d have figured it out in the last 100 years.

Then I can´t repeat often enough what a de-stabilizing factor Moreno is on that backline and defensive midfield, cause he has ZERO positional sense clowning around everywhere. He forces either a central defender or Milner/Wijnaldum to leave the middle to cover his space. And no, no, no, he´s in no rush to re-establish his position or cover another space. You have TAA who gets better with each game (as you hope/expect from a talented youngster). Of the dozen set pieces Liverpool conceded today 80-90% can be traced back to defensive errors by Moreno or Gomez.

 

[JamesO]

All true. At the same time I think Robertson, TAA and Karius deserve a lot more credit than they are given for the transformation of Liverpool.

It´s an improvement alone that Klopp has settled on a goalkeeper. I think if rotation was the best long-term strategy at goalkeeper, we´d have figured it out in the last 100 years.

Then I can´t repeat often enough what a de-stabilizing factor Moreno is on that backline and defensive midfield, cause he has ZERO positional sense clowning around everywhere. He forces either a central defender or Milner/Wijnaldum to leave the middle to cover his space. And no, no, no, he´s in no rush to re-establish his position or cover another space. You have TAA who gets better with each game (as you hope/expect from a talented youngster). Of the dozen set pieces Liverpool conceded today 80-90% can be traced back to defensive errors by Moreno or Gomez.

Can not like this post enough. It's not only defensively having TAA and Robertson help, but going forward as well. I'll give Gomez a slight pass on today cos it's his 1st game back after an injury.

Karius has been solid since becoming undisputed number 1. Right now I don't see any need for a new goalie in the summer, especially when there are more vital first 11/squad depth positions that need uograding.

Also Lovren has been generally solid since we've had a settled back 4 and keeper. The United game gets mentioned but all he really did was lose 2 headers to Lukaku which unfortunately for him ended up leading to both goals.

Back to Van Dijk, and 1 thing I really like about him besides the aerial dominance and leadership he's brought, is the amount of times he'll head a ball down to a team mate rather than head it in a random direction. Seems a small thing but it helps to keep the ball and start attacks.

 

[ivaldo]

That’s because every little misstep brings out irrational posts about how supposedly rubbish he is, even though he’s clearly made our defence much better than it was.

Today wasn’t one of his best games but changing three of the back four never helps either.

That's because your defense was shit to begin with.

He's a good CB but the reason why people have the opportunity to take shots at him is because he keeps making silly mistakes. Great defenders don't do that.

 

[redman5]

That’s because every little misstep brings out irrational posts about how supposedly rubbish he is, even though he’s clearly made our defence much better than it was.

Today wasn’t one of his best games but changing three of the back four never helps either.

Add to that the fact some players minds would have been focused on getting through the game unscathed.

 

[Jayus20]

That's because your defense was shit to begin with.

He's a good CB but the reason why people have the opportunity to take shots at him is because he keeps making silly mistakes. Great defenders don't do that.

It's inevitable even for the best of defenders to make small errors here and there but what you guys are attempting to call "mistakes" is what's laughable. The guy is top quality, it's just undeniable and the impact he's had on our defence is again undeniable. Still need a couple of defensive improvements (another CB, maybe a better GK, possibly a better reserve LB) but he has had a great impact and the fact 99% of Liverpool fans would pay £75m again for him in a heartbeat says exactly how good he's been for us.

 

[Klopper76]

That's because your defense was shit to begin with.

He's a good CB but the reason why people have the opportunity to take shots at him is because he keeps making silly mistakes. Great defenders don't do that.

Great defenders make mistakes just not very often. I think he’s got it in him to be great and he’s mostly been solid so far.

He’s a bit lazy which is something he needs to get out of his game.

 

[Jacko21]

If Klopp could organise a defence, he wouldn't need to rely on a £75m VVD being brilliant in every game he plays.

 

[SwansonsTache]

Only CB I'd pay £75m for in the PL would be Alderweireld.

He is a class above VVD.

 

[ivaldo]

Great defenders make mistakes just not very often. I think he’s got it in him to be great and he’s mostly been solid so far.

He’s a bit lazy which is something he needs to get out of his game.

Exactly. He makes them too regularly to be considered great.

It's inevitable even for the best of defenders to make small errors here and there but what you guys are attempting to call "mistakes" is what's laughable. The guy is top quality, it's just undeniable and the impact he's had on our defence is again undeniable. Still need a couple of defensive improvements (another CB, maybe a better GK, possibly a better reserve LB) but he has had a great impact and the fact 99% of Liverpool fans would pay £75m again for him in a heartbeat says exactly how good he's been for us.

No it isn't, and you blithely shrugging them off doesn't make them go away. Of course he's going to make an impact, you were lining up with fecking Lovren and Klavan at times, I could improve that defense.

Of course you would, collectively you thought Sakho was shit hot and rated him as a ball playing centreback.

 

[Jayus20]

No it isn't, and you blithely shrugging them off doesn't make them go away. Of course he's going to make an impact, you were lining up with fecking Lovren and Klavan at times, I could improve that defense.

Of course you would, collectively you thought Sakho was shit hot and rated him as a ball playing centreback.

Because his "mistakes" aren't mistakes, it's just you guys picking at every single little thing because you don't like our club. Nearly every other teams fans and pundits alike realise how top quality the guy is and how much he's not only improved our defence but also how he's improved the players around him. Only people who don't seem to be able to see it are certain Man United fans who seem to dislike Liverpool more than they actually like their own club. I keep reading on the City forum how if they'd bought Van Dijk they wouldn't now be needing another CB this summer and there's plenty of complimentary posts on here from United fans who are actually able to put their bias aside, think that says more than enough.

Collectively? Speaking absolute rubbish pal, I hated Sakho, he was an accident waiting to happen, never looked comfortable on the ball and whenever it was at his feet I got nervous. Only thing I rated Sakho for was his last ditch tackles. End of the day you can have your "opinion" but the stats speak for themselves since Van Dijk came in and they show just how good he has been.

 

[Can23]

Exactly. He makes them too regularly to be considered great.


No it isn't, and you blithely shrugging them off doesn't make them go away. Of course he's going to make an impact, you were lining up with fecking Lovren and Klavan at times, I could improve that defense.

Of course you would, collectively you thought Sakho was shit hot and rated him as a ball playing centreback.

And Untied fans think Bailey is the best thing since sliced bread. But everytime i watch him play he always drops a clanger at least once a match. Look at the Sevilla match Yedder twisted him inside out. The longer he was injured the better he got. Opposition fans always see mistakes . What are all these mistakes he's made?

Out of our regular back 4 he was the only one playing today.

 

[Jayus20]

If Klopp could organise a defence, he wouldn't need to rely on a £75m VVD being brilliant in every game he plays.

Personally I don't put our defensive frailties on Klopp, most goals we concede come through individual errors that he can't do much about. Only thing he can do is replace those players with better players who make less errors. He clearly knows how to defend as in his two title winning teams he conceded 22 and 25 which are numbers even Mourinho would be proud of and lets be honest he's a master of defending. Like I say, it's more down to individual quality than anything. We concede the second least chances in the world only behind Man City but the issue is the quality of those chances we concede are often very high as they're due to individual errors.

 

[ivaldo]

Because his "mistakes" aren't mistakes, it's just you guys picking at every single little thing because you don't like our club. Nearly every other teams fans and pundits alike realise how top quality the guy is and how much he's not only improved our defence but also how he's improved the players around him. Only people who don't seem to be able to see it are certain Man United fans who seem to dislike Liverpool more than they actually like their own club. I keep reading on the City forum how if they'd bought Van Dijk they wouldn't now be needing another CB this summer and there's plenty of complimentary posts on here from United fans who are actually able to put their bias aside, think that says more than enough.

Collectively? Speaking absolute rubbish pal, I hated Sakho, he was an accident waiting to happen, never looked comfortable on the ball and whenever it was at his feet I got nervous. Only thing I rated Sakho for was his last ditch tackles. End of the day you can have your "opinion" but the stats speak for themselves since Van Dijk came in and they show just how good he has been.

Not a mistake? He misses his header and then just watches play unfold to play the goal scorer onside. There's some serious mental gymnastics going on in your head to find anything other than fault there.

I'm not saying he hasn't improved your side you donut, I've literally said it in the post you've just quoted. He isn't some epic defender though, not matter how tightly you close your eyes when he fecks up.

 

[ivaldo]

And Untied fans think Bailey is the best thing since sliced bread. But everytime i watch him play he always drops a clanger at least once a match. Look at the Sevilla match Yedder twisted him inside out. The longer he was injured the better he got. Opposition fans always see mistakes . What are all these mistakes he's made?

Out of our regular back 4 he was the only one playing today.

I think you've used up all your hyperbole quota for today pal.

Yeah most United fans really rate him, but they don't pretend the mistakes he does make are some evil ruse from oppo fans. Like VVD he requires improvement.

 

[redman5]

Of course you would, collectively you thought Sakho was shit and hated him as a ball playing centreback.

Fixed it for you mate

 

[Jacko21]

Personally I don't put our defensive frailties on Klopp, most goals we concede come through individual errors that he can't do much about. Only thing he can do is replace those players with better players who make less errors. He clearly knows how to defend as in his two title winning teams he conceded 22 and 25 which are numbers even Mourinho would be proud of and lets be honest he's a master of defending. Like I say, it's more down to individual quality than anything. We concede the second least chances in the world only behind Man City but the issue is the quality of those chances we concede are often very high as they're due to individual errors.

I don't disagree it's about quality. Weidenfeller, Subotic and Hummels were something else in the heart of the Dortmund defence.

But Klopp's defiance in attack has consistently left his defence - which has been devoid of quality for the majority of his time at the club - vulnerable.

When new managers are installed at a club, the first thing they tackle is the defence. Why? Because it's the easiest to address by instilling some positional awareness and a disciplined shape. It is a solid foundation in which to work from.

In the absence of quality, you enforce collective responsibility in order to give yourselves the best chance. Klopp has shunned that in favour of attack, which is his prerogative.

I thought Liverpool defended brilliantly over the two legs against Manchester City. I'd just argue it shouldn't have taken Klopp this long to address it, nor should he be reliant a £75m acquisition to organise things.

I guess it's the opposite to Mourinho, who drills his teams in a defensive sense and relies on talented attackers thinking for themselves. Whereas Klopp drills his teams in attack but relies on quality defenders to do the business in the event that they are opened up.

 

[Jayus20]

Not a mistake? He misses his header and then just watches play unfold to play the goal scorer onside. There's some serious mental gymnastics going on in your head to find anything other than fault there.

I'm not saying he hasn't improved your side you donut, I've literally said it in the post you've just quoted. He isn't some epic defender though, not matter how tightly you close your eyes when he fecks up.

Wait a minute? You're blaming him for their first goal? you can't be serious? He made a jump for the ball, but because it was too far away from him to reach it's his fault?:') he was shuffling back at speed and jumped? What more do you expect from him? To grow 10 inches or become Usian Bolt running backwards? And then you're proceeding to blame him for playing people onside when he was literally still stumbling back from his jump when the ball was struck by the attacker? What do you expect from him there, to defy the laws of Physics and teleport himself 5 yards forward? You need to rewatch the goal pal as you clearly have it playing out very differently in that shall we say interesting mind of yours now you see what I'm saying about clutching at straws, I genuinely didn't think you were referring to mistakes from this game

I don't disagree it's about quality. Weidenfeller, Subotic and Hummels were something else in the heart of the Dortmund defence.

But Klopp's defiance in attack has consistently left his defence - which has been devoid of quality for the majority of his time at the club - vulnerable.

When new managers are installed at a club, the first thing they tackle is the defence. Why? Because it's the easiest to address by instilling some positional awareness and a disciplined shape. It is a solid foundation in which to work from.

In the absence of quality, you enforce collective responsibility in order to give yourselves the best chance. Klopp has shunned that in favour of attack, which is his prerogative.

I thought Liverpool defended brilliantly over the two legs against Manchester City. I'd just argue it shouldn't have taken Klopp this long to address it, nor should he be reliant a £75m acquisition to organise things.

I guess it's the opposite to Mourinho, who drills his teams in a defensive sense and relies on talented attackers thinking for themselves. Whereas Klopp drills his teams in attack but relies on quality defenders to do the business in the event that they are opened up.

Yeah I'd agree, it's certainly a flaw but then again I can't fault him as he did try to improve the defence in his first summer with 2 new CB's and a new GK, it's just he went cheap rather than buying quality which I feel like he's learnt from. I'm hoping he'll address the last of it with a new CB and maybe a new GK this summer and we won't have those issues anymore. As you said, we showed excellent defensive quality against City but it has been an issue for too long.

 

[el3mel]

Decent defender but his price massively overrated him. He's by no means a 75m defender, never was and never will be.

 

[ivaldo]

Wait a minute? You're blaming him for their first goal? you can't be serious? He made a jump for the ball, but because it was too far away from him to reach it's his fault?:') he was shuffling back at speed and jumped? What more do you expect from him? To grow 10 inches or become Usian Bolt running backwards? And then you're proceeding to blame him for playing people onside when he was literally still stumbling back from his jump when the ball was struck by the attacker? What do you expect from him there, to defy the laws of Physics and teleport himself 5 yards forward? You need to rewatch the goal pal as you clearly have it playing out very differently in that shall we say interesting mind of yours now you see what I'm saying about clutching at straws, I genuinely didn't think you were referring to mistakes from this game

Don't jump? It's fairly simple. If you're going to get nowhere near it, you don't jump.

Still stumbling back? Did you watch the game of just read it on teletext. feck me you see what you want don't you? No wonder you think it's all a ploy from oppo fans.

Don't bother replying. You'll soon find out oppo fans who post without objectivity don't last long here.

 

[redman5]

Decent defender but his price massively overrated him. He's by no means a 75m defender, never was and never will be.

His price doesn't overrate him because it's the price Klopp had to pay to get his man. He felt VVD was someone who'd improve the back 4, & thus far he seems to have done that. We've gone for cheaper options in the past & paid the price by not fixing the problem. So if we overpaid for the bloke, then we seriously underpaid for Mo Salah, so it's all swings & roundabouts really. & at the end of the day we've strengthened 2 key areas, so no one at Liverpool gives a shit how much we've paid. Another area we're falling short on - & it concerns me for our forthcoming CL tie - is the lack of energy & drive from midfield. So we're all hoping the impending arrival of Keita rectifies that particular problem. Still, I've no doubt that after a few misplaced passes, we'll have some on here telling us we've been fleeced.

 

[Jayus20]

Don't jump? It's fairly simple. If you're going to get nowhere near it, you don't jump.

Still stumbling back? Did you watch the game of just read it on teletext. feck me you see what you want don't you? No wonder you think it's all a ploy from oppo fans.

Don't bother replying. You'll soon find out oppo fans who post without objectivity don't last long here.

And then you'd be complaining he didn't try to jump to get the ball and that was a mistake :') can't win can he. Only way he could win is if he grew 10 inches.

The irony that you're telling me I didn't watch the game when you're coming out with claims like these :') Here, seeing as you won't rewatch it yourself you can watch it here: https://gyazo.com/fc2fb3b2a9222bc68778f568492c52d0 and as I said literally the moment Van Dijk gets his composure from stumbling back after his jump the ball is struck by the attacker. You can literally see that in that video, he is stumbling back until the moment the ball is struck which is the moment play is stopped in the video). So what do you expect him to do? Defy the law of momentum? As I said, clutching at straws.

I'll do what I like thanks and I'll reply to whoever I like thanks, if you don't like it, don't reply yourself. If you aren't happy with opposition fans calling you out for your bias and daft comments then don't be biased and don't write things that are ridiculous, pretty simple. I'm a very objective person and I actually don't mind United as a club, think they're very respectable and loved SAF as a manager and the football he played, the issue with the club is certain fans who's viewpoints are warped because of their dislike for Liverpool and that gets to me.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

His price doesn't overrate him because it's the price Klopp had to pay to get his man. He felt VVD was someone who'd improve the back 4, & thus far he seems to have done that. We've gone for cheaper options in the past & paid the price by not fixing the problem. So if we overpaid for the bloke, then we seriously underpaid for Mo Salah, so it's all swings & roundabouts really. & at the end of the day we've strengthened 2 key areas, so no one at Liverpool gives a shit how much we've paid. Another area we're falling short on - & it concerns me for our forthcoming CL tie - is the lack of energy & drive from midfield. So we're all hoping the impending arrival of Keita rectifies that particular problem. Still, I've no doubt that after a few misplaced passes, we'll have some on here telling us we've been fleeced.

Keita is the type of player everyone is going to rate.

 

[roonster09]

Liverpool fans should stop being so precious. VVD is criticised and everything is highlighted just like how it's for Manutd players. Every mishit pass is over analysed, every goal we concede is blamed on any of the defenders, looks like same is done for VVD.

 

[redman5]

Liverpool fans should stop being so precious. VVD is criticised and everything is highlighted just like how it's for Manutd players. Every mishit pass is over analysed, every goal we concede is blamed on any of the defenders, looks like same is done for VVD.

& for everyone who's criticizing you've got someone being defensive. That's how football forums work. It's not us being precious, we're just putting our opinion across. Threads wouldn't last too long if we didn't.

 

[roonster09]

& for everyone who's criticizing you've got someone being defensive. That's how football forums work. It's not us being precious, we're just putting our opinion across. Threads wouldn't last too long if we didn't.

Fair enough for doing that, Liverpool fans moaning about ManUtd fans being bitter for pointing out mistakes is hilarious. It's not bitterness, it's same for any rival player with performance thread.

 

[Jayus20]

Fair enough for doing that, Liverpool fans moaning about ManUtd fans being bitter for pointing out mistakes is hilarious. It's not bitterness, it's same for any rival player with performance thread.

Wouldn’t care if they were actual mistakes. The stuff United fans are trying to claim as mistakes is the issue. I’m sure if he made an error we would happily admit it but it’s the clutching at straws to put an excellent player down that’s the issue.

 

[roonster09]

Wouldn’t care if they were actual mistakes. The stuff United fans are trying to claim as mistakes is the issue. I’m sure if he made an error we would happily admit it but it’s the clutching at straws to put an excellent player down that’s the issue.

BS. CB missing the header is criticized no matter who. Check Jones and Smalling thread and see for what all they are criticized for. This is the sort of post I'm talking about.

 

[TheReligion]

He's the most expensive defender in world football. He's held to a much higher standard and unfortunately looks nothing like his price tag.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

He's the most expensive defender in world football. He's held to a much higher standard and unfortunately looks nothing like his price tag.

But, what would a 75 mil defender even look like?

 

[ivaldo]

And then you'd be complaining he didn't try to jump to get the ball and that was a mistake :') can't win can he. Only way he could win is if he grew 10 inches.

The irony that you're telling me I didn't watch the game when you're coming out with claims like these :') Here, seeing as you won't rewatch it yourself you can watch it here: https://gyazo.com/fc2fb3b2a9222bc68778f568492c52d0 and as I said literally the moment Van Dijk gets his composure from stumbling back after his jump the ball is struck by the attacker. You can literally see that in that video, he is stumbling back until the moment the ball is struck which is the moment play is stopped in the video). So what do you expect him to do? Defy the law of momentum? As I said, clutching at straws.

I'll do what I like thanks and I'll reply to whoever I like thanks, if you don't like it, don't reply yourself. If you aren't happy with opposition fans calling you out for your bias and daft comments then don't be biased and don't write things that are ridiculous, pretty simple. I'm a very objective person and I actually don't mind United as a club, think they're very respectable and loved SAF as a manager and the football he played, the issue with the club is certain fans who's viewpoints are warped because of their dislike for Liverpool and that gets to me.

You've just said it yourself! The only way he's getting it is he was 10 inches taller. So he's challenged for a ball he's no hope of winning, leaving the man he was supposed to be marking (Evans, would have been on the end of it if Livermore was not) and played the goal scorer onside. We call that a mistake in the real world. Take your blinkers off mate.

Good for you.

 

[Maradona10]

He is a good player and has made them better. He has had a good short term impact on them, lets see where they are this time next year before judging him to be rubbish or great.

 

[Who gives a...]

Wow the Liverpool fans sure seem defensive about him.

They are showing far superior defensive qualities than certain £75million defenders.

 

[Jayus20]

You've just said it yourself! The only way he's getting it is he was 10 inches taller. So he's challenged for a ball he's no hope of winning, leaving the man he was supposed to be marking (Evans, would have been on the end of it if Livermore was not) and played the goal scorer onside. We call that a mistake in the real world. Take your blinkers off mate.

Good for you.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it. I love how you keep adding things to this “mistake” first it was him keeping everyone onside that was the mistake, I proved that nothing could be done about that, then it becomes challenging for the ball which is the mistake which is ridiculous because he was put at the back of the zonal marking to challenge for the ball and now it’s leaving his player unmarked who wasn’t even involved in the attack nevermind the fact we play zonal marking not man marking. Keep going!

By your logic every defender in the league must be shocking seeing as Van Dijk has near enough the best aerial duel success in the league for a CB at 76%. Alderweireld is apparently world class but misses headers constantly and it’s a huge weakness of his. If not getting to a header you go for is an error then every defender in the league makes them game after game but I’m assuming Rio Ferdinand had a 100% aerial duel success right? As he’s world class of course so surely he can’t have ever missed headers. As I said and I’ll keep saying, you’re clutching at straws my friend

 

[redman5]

Keita is the type of player everyone is going to rate.

He was on the subs bench for yesterday's match against Hoffenheim. Came on at half time with RBL 3-0 down & did this 15 minutes later.

https://streamja.com/y3zm

We're hoping he has the same positive impact as the likes of VVD, Salah, & Robertson.

 

[ivaldo]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it. I love how you keep adding things to this “mistake” first it was him keeping everyone onside that was the mistake, I proved that nothing could be done about that, then it becomes challenging for the ball which is the mistake which is ridiculous because he was put at the back of the zonal marking to challenge for the ball and now it’s leaving his player unmarked who wasn’t even involved in the attack nevermind the fact we play zonal marking not man marking. Keep going!

By your logic every defender in the league must be shocking seeing as Van Dijk has near enough the best aerial duel success in the league for a CB at 76%. Alderweireld is apparently world class but misses headers constantly and it’s a huge weakness of his. If not getting to a header you go for is an error then every defender in the league makes them game after game but I’m assuming Rio Ferdinand had a 100% aerial duel success right? As he’s world class of course so surely he can’t have ever missed headers. As I said and I’ll keep saying, you’re clutching at straws my friend

You're having a mare.

Not a mistake? He misses his header and then just watches play unfold to play the goal scorer onside.

It's in the first post referring to it!

No, by everyones logic missing a header (not losing out to an attacker, misjudging the flight enitrely) is a mistake. Just like stepping out of position to make a tackle or interception you aren't going to win is a mistake.

He was touch tight to Evans the time the ball comes in. And if we so take it as zonal defending, he leaves the very zone in which West Brom score in. Your choice!

I think you're going to need a bigger shovel.

Incredible how precious posters can be. It's a mistake, you've supplied video evidence that proves you're wrong. Move on.

 

[Buchan]

He was on the subs bench for yesterday's match against Hoffenheim. Came on at half time with RBL 3-0 down & did this 15 minutes later.

https://streamja.com/y3zm

Where the feck was his first 'pass' going?!

 

[Jayus20]

You're having a mare.


It's in the first post referring to it!

No, by everyones logic missing a header (not losing out to an attacker, misjudging the flight enitrely) is a mistake. Just like stepping out of position to make a tackle or interception you aren't going to win is a mistake.

He was touch tight to Evans the time the ball comes in. And if we so take it as zonal defending, he leaves the very zone in which West Brom score in. Your choice!

I think you're going to need a bigger shovel.

Incredible how precious posters can be. It's a mistake, you've supplied video evidence that proves you're wrong. Move on.

Oh my apologies, misordered which one came first, same principle still applies.

The fact you don’t realise we zonal mark on corners shows how little you know about the way Liverpool play. Van Dijk was put at the back to challenge for the ball, that’s what he did, he did what he was told to do. Could have easily distracted the attacker and made him miss his header, adding pressure to a player can be great defending even if you don’t win the ball. Honestly, it’s more of a mistake in my opinion if he didn’t go for it seeing as he was one of the nearest to it. He was clearly instructed to go for the deep balls by the fact he was moved from the front of the zonal marking to the back after half time as we could see they were intentionally doing deep corners.

Was Evans involved in the attack? No? So why is he relevant to this? As I said hindsight a wonderful thing, he challenged for the ball, he can’t predict the future of where this ball is going to land pal. But your unrealistic expectations showing again

Clearly you’ve got your opinion and I’ve got mine. I don’t see it as a mistake, but you somehow seem to even though it’s clear from the facts it wasn’t. I’m always more than happy to slate Liverpool players for mistakes if they’re just but this one isn’t. The one from Van Dijk vs Man City was, or Gomez yesterday was but blaming Van Dijk for the first goal is honestly just absurd. Anyway let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Bored of this at this point, got better things to do. Ciao.

 

[Bestietom]

Another player we should have went for. IMO

 

[ivaldo]

Oh my apologies, misordered which one came first, same principle still applies.

The fact you don’t realise we zonal mark on corners shows how little you know about the way Liverpool play. Van Dijk was put at the back to challenge for the ball, that’s what he did, he did what he was told to do. Could have easily distracted the attacker and made him miss his header, adding pressure to a player can be great defending even if you don’t win the ball. Honestly, it’s more of a mistake in my opinion if he didn’t go for it seeing as he was one of the nearest to it. He was clearly instructed to go for the deep balls by the fact he was moved from the front of the zonal marking to the back after half time as we could see they were intentionally doing deep corners.

Was Evans involved in the attack? No? So why is he relevant to this? As I said hindsight a wonderful thing, he challenged for the ball, he can’t predict the future of where this ball is going to land pal. But your unrealistic expectations showing again

Clearly you’ve got your opinion and I’ve got mine. I don’t see it as a mistake, but you somehow seem to even though it’s clear from the facts it wasn’t. I’m always more than happy to slate Liverpool players for mistakes if they’re just but this one isn’t. The one from Van Dijk vs Man City was, or Gomez yesterday was but blaming Van Dijk for the first goal is honestly just absurd. Anyway let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Bored of this at this point, got better things to do. Ciao.

No you haven't 'misordered' anything, it's all contained in a single post. You've implied it was added as a point at a later time, but, consistent with this whole conversation, you've got it wrong, again.

Look. You've made a rod for your own back, deal with it. When zonal marking you don't attack a ball you can't get and in turn vacate your zone. This isn't anything to do with the principles of how you set up, it's basic football knowledge. No wonder you're throwing a hissy fit because your player is being rightly criticised.

Why is Evans relevant? Seriously? There were two players who could have finished that chance, the one that did and the one that VD was standing next to, both of whom were accupying the space VD should have been in. If he hadn't gone for a ball he had ZERO chance of winning he would have been there to prevent the goal. It isn't rocket science.

The fachts . Alright Rafa.