Did you see Virgil mess with Richarlison later in the match after bringing him down yet again. Did the old lend a hand to lift him off the deck and pulled it away at the last second. A hero I tell ya.
Virgil van Dijk | Performances
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Fair play. A pretty flimsy and unremarkable compilation may help some to get through this difficult time.
Evertonians have already requested a judicial inquiry to look into Van Dijk’s treatment towards the brave Pigeon during the match. Animal cruelty.
KPmufc? I mean have a little unbiassed research in your searches puuuuuulease.
Oh bore off. Why wasn’t the Havertz one a red card?
Are the videos not clear enough for you?
Because it wasn’t meeting the threshold.
Dale Johnson - who offers VAR explanations every week summed it up: Long gone are the days where a little kick is seen as a red card, as it was when England midfielder David Beckham was sent off against Argentina at the World Cup in 1998.
Today, referees look for an act which has a level of brutality to it. While Van Dijk should probably have been booked for throwing his boot back towards Havertz, this would be seen as petulant rather than violent conduct.
Seems fair to me.
No it’s absolute bollocks. Others have been sent off for far less in other matches. Shame it doesn’t apply to them. It should have been a red. It just goes to show he’s been getting the decisions in his favour.
No. He should have been booked.
Yep totally. Just let all players kick each other off the ball. Totally fine
Johnson is a genuine authority on refereeing. Every week he gets angry replies - mostly Arsenal fans - exposing their own misunderstanding of the laws of the game. He dealt with this kick by VvD and his analysis seems fair even if it annoys fans.
Ok. Johnson isn’t a biased fan. You and me are biased. I’ll go with him.
It's classic social media sheep behaviour, people don't even think for themselves, just follow and use whatever some random posts that suits an agenda. Pretty obvious the agenda against VVD, back handed compliment to him.
As much as I love Stam, he only played two full seasons. He was injured for about 50% of his final season, so I'm not sure you can include him in the Premier League conversation based on two and a half seasons.
He’s a detestable, arrogant twat. Good at football, but still a detestable, arrogant twat.
I posted a few weeks back at the nasty streak he’s developed whereby he constantly initiates contact with opposition players after the ball has left their vicinity (the Havertz and Gordon ones in the compilation above are great examples). This is what happens to people who are treated differently to others: they believe in their own superiority, think they’re above the law, and act accordingly.
Van Dijk had a horror tackle on Mertens when Liverpool hosted Napoli in the Champions League that should’ve been a red card and a three-match ban, but nada. His rap sheet is fast filling-up yet we are being gaslighted by Liverpool loyalists everywhere on the internet that we are imagining these things. It’s beyond parody at this stage.
Liverpool are - without question - the most protected institution in world sport due to their club, manager, player and fanbase collective sensitivities. Nobody else gets this velvet-glove treatment yet they continually harp on about their ‘injustices’.
The most unself-aware group on the planet, that lot. They’re absolutely nauseating.
He’s posted video footage of the incident so make your own mind up. Using some bizarre comparison from 1998! You’re just using some whataboutery to ignore it. I’m sure you would be shouting from the rooftops if it was an opposition player.
Why are you criticising the person posting when all he is posting is video footage so people can see for themselves. But you ignore that. Classic Liverpool fan behaviour and trying to be the victim all of the time.
It was posted with an obvious intention. As for being the 'victim', think you'll find majority of Liverpool fans have no victim complex, unlike the those united fans posting on the Cafe that seem to think LiVARpool are the constant recipients of corrupt referring. God forbid we had a linesman looking after us the way United did last night, for the record, I don't believe that, honest mistake from a very poor linesman.
Oh bore off. This is a United forum and you post here. No victim complex yet accuse the linesman of deliberately favouring United last night! The footage shows why Van Dijk should have got sent off, Liverpool may be the best team in the PL but they have had plenty of decisions in their favour. Rather than addressing the point and the footage you used some strange whataboutery .
Sums certain Liverpool fans up in a nutshell.
And this is a VVD thread in the non specific United part of the forum which I believed all fans are welcome to post in.
I also said I believed the Linesman last night made an honest mistake after my tongue in cheek comment, just a very poor linesman.
As for VVD against Richarlison, that's not an elbow in my opinion, it's a shove with his arm that you often see in games, good defending, it does contact with Richarlisons neck and he then goes down clutching his face, embarrassing as usual from him. Totenham never made a thing of it during or after the game.
This thread does make me miss Vidic. God how I loved him. The most physically and aerially dominant CB I’ve ever seen in a Utd shirt, possible the entire premier league. I remember watching with giddy excitement as a young CB myself at just how brilliant he was in the air. For some reason I always remember a game against Andy Carrol, when he was in top form ( I know it’s still Carroll) and Vidic was just beating him to every duel. Nowhere near as tall, but Christ was he just completely fearless. Miss watching defenders play like that. Unfortunately I don’t think I’ll ever see another CB play like that in the modern era.
Fair enough didn’t see that. The decision yesterday was stupid, not sure how the linesman didn’t give that. The Richarlison one probably was just a yellow but stuff like the Havertz one is clearly a red. There has been a few of them that’s why it was been highlighted.
Serial league title winners are still only 1 piece of an 11-15 player puzzle. Football isn’t an individual sport.
You already lose all credibility when you mention Stones and “all time” in the same sentence just because he happened to be a random part of a successfull City squad. Who care about 5 league titles when you’re simply an average defender? It’s way more impressive and more difficult to be top in the world like Hazard did rather than just plodding along in a great TEAM without (m)any individual pieces sticking out.
The tears this year on here over refs and Liverpool has reached new heights and keeps ramping up the further we go on with the season. I mean big bad Klopp is gone so they aren’t being intimidated anymore and it’s not like Slot is a scary individual. So what could it be? Why are the refs favoring Liverpool ?
VVD doesn't have better technique than Vidic and Terry?.......Ok.
The league titles argument is not relevant, serial winners include Dias who isn't a better defender than VVD, this is the point, VVD has been part of title challenging seasons where his team have accumulated as high as 99 points and not won the league, in a couple of those seasons he has had better indidvidual seasons than some defenders you mentioned who actually won the league in teams with lesser points.
Thats why its just a lazy way to judge things, judge individual seasons, not say so and so player is better because they won more titles.
I’m referencing the decision against Van Dijk where he has got away with a lot through incompetent refereeing. As for the whole team, I don’t think there is a conspiracy but it can be argued they do get favoured more than others with stuff like added time etc.
It wasn’t enough for a red as there was as not enough force. That’s the interpretation of the law. Johnson is genuinely excellent on this stuff and - crucially - not a Liverpool fan.
It’s nothing to do with the ref being a Liverpool fan, it’s a clear red, there is clear force. Not enough is such a weak argument. What is it supposed to do to get him sent off, knock him out? Other teams have got decisions for far less, that is the issue here. Like I said if the shoe was on the other foot, Liverpool fans would be up in arms.
In retrospect I think the challenge on Havertz was probably a red. The rest are never reds though so it's a pretty odd compilation to create. Put the tinfoil hats away lads.
Ok. You’re right and Johnson is wrong. We’ll settle for that.
Never miss a chance to remind folks.
He concedes a good amount of goal for someone meant to be the GOAT.
Terry has 4 seasons where his team conceded less than 25
Rio/Vidic did it twice.
The greatest of all time has done it once.
He concedes a good amount of goal for someone meant to be the GOAT.
Terry has 4 seasons where his team conceded less than 25
Rio/Vidic did it twice.
The greatest of all time has done it once.
You know there’s usually 3 other defenders in a backline, yeah?
One at Liverpool who gets slated on here as an awful defender no less.
It’s a slightly misleading stat. Terry played and thrived in an era that was far more defensive with Mourinho and Benitez creating very attritional sides that were built on defensive excellence with CBs sitting deep. In 04/05 only 944 goals were scored in the PL. Last season 1246 goals were scored. That’s 300 more goals due to teams coached to defend with high lines and attack with risk.
Chelsea scored 72 goals in that 04/05 season. Last season’s top 7 all scored more than that.
Van Dijk operates in an era that lends itself to attacking excellence.
I’m not really into inter-generational comparisons as football eras are so different that they become too complex to assess.
Attackers are nowhere near what they used to be.
Yet there are more goals now than previously. If your assessment is correct then tactically the game is more attacking - which is definitely true.
I’d say defending has dropped off a cliff compared to 10-15yrs ago. Most teams have gone very attacking leaving themselves exposed at the back regularly. It’s great to watch but it doesn’t mean we have better attackers now, just worse defenders.
The idea that we have worse defenders is highly contestable though. If you concede that teams are more attacking which would leave them more open defensively it would make it much harder to defend today. That doesn't mean defenders are worse.