Sign in the summer. He's mint.
Viktor Gyökeres - Sporting Striker
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He looks decent and works hard for the team etc. No doubt it helps that he's in a team that dominates possession and territory more often than not. If he swapped places with a similar team in the PL, ie City, Arsenal or Liverpool, then he'd probably looks equally good. Would he do it in United? He looks better than Hojlund, and obv he's a big improvement over Zirkzee, but right now we'd make him look average. Maybe Amorim will change our style and possession enough to consider bringing him in...
I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. The club will probably decide against signing him with Hojlund already in the squad.
If we sign a new #9, it will be an older player for a rotational role who's content with sitting on the bench, in my opinion.
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Not necessarily, when your in your own half and dont know what to do with the ball just kick up top to Gyokeres works really well, even demonstrated against City.
It could be the 5th or 90th minute he will still be sprinting at your defense.
I assume that's exactly what he intends to do.
Be shocked if we didn't try to sign him.
We'll almost certainly play with one striker, and we already have two players for that position, one of them was signed 12 months ago and arguably has a higher ceiling than Gyökeres, the other one was signed 3 months ago.
You'll be shocked if we won't buy a 3rd striker in 24 months, for 60+ million who will be 27 and yet hasn't proven himself except against much weaker opposition than your average PL side?
Some of you are creating this narrative in your heads that Gyökeres will be pursued and signed in the summer, and you're just probably setting yourselves up for disappointment.
I'm not arguing any of your points, I pretty much agree with everything you say but maybe have a bit more confidence in Hojlund progressing to what we need.
The video Ekeke has posted just below your post of Gyokeres against us is a good example of why I can see potential for a similar player. That video could easily be of several games Rasmus has had for us.
or we cut our losses on zirkzee and realise he might not be a PL type player/right for us and replace him with this guy and have both as we want to compete ? If we want to get back to the top we need to have the best in class. We can’t be sentimental or work on what ifs. Only two teams have scored less goals than us this season. TWO! Hojlund can benefit from learning/playing/training with gykores.
The Højlund people are saying is terrible may very well be something wholly different 18-24 months down the line. For me, the big problem is he is learning on the job on a platform that is currently too big for him and his game - he should be an understudy at best in the here and now.
Paris wants a striker
Real may need a 9
City may need a 9 if the robot leaves
Chelsea need a 9
United have bought two 9 for 110M in the last two seasons.
I would like to have him because he would bring with him a great amount of confidence, but in a normal world we can't offload Zirzkee to bring him so it's pointless
Real may need a 9
City may need a 9 if the robot leaves
Chelsea need a 9
United have bought two 9 for 110M in the last two seasons.
I would like to have him because he would bring with him a great amount of confidence, but in a normal world we can't offload Zirzkee to bring him so it's pointless
I think hes Amorim's version of Solskjaer and Haaland. Because of a current relationship we have a much better chance of him choosing us. Itll cost a lot but if we didnt have Amorim as new manager I dont think we'd even be on the list of clubs he'd consider
Heres the thing. Goals make the team to a large degree. If we get someone to come in and score game after game a lot of these players we've brought in are going to be considered a success, as is Amorim and INEOS
Even if we're soley reliant on one goal scorer and we dont win the league, we just get back to top 3 and he's scoring loads it'll be considered success. So huge money will have been worth it. Yes theres a chance we can sign someone else and they score just as many but when you look at our track record with buying goalscorers it doesnt suggest we're going to pick a rabbit out of a hat and get someone cheap who scores 20+ goals for us. And we have signed players we thought were great prospects to one day do that and they arent going to do it right now. So we should clearly go the proven goalscorer who just needs to continue what they're doing route.
Gyokeres would be the clear candidate for that. The next would be players who play in formations with 2 strikers like Marmoush and Openda which wouldnt seem to fit what Amorim hashad success with, but you never know
Heres the thing. Goals make the team to a large degree. If we get someone to come in and score game after game a lot of these players we've brought in are going to be considered a success, as is Amorim and INEOS
Even if we're soley reliant on one goal scorer and we dont win the league, we just get back to top 3 and he's scoring loads it'll be considered success. So huge money will have been worth it. Yes theres a chance we can sign someone else and they score just as many but when you look at our track record with buying goalscorers it doesnt suggest we're going to pick a rabbit out of a hat and get someone cheap who scores 20+ goals for us. And we have signed players we thought were great prospects to one day do that and they arent going to do it right now. So we should clearly go the proven goalscorer who just needs to continue what they're doing route.
Gyokeres would be the clear candidate for that. The next would be players who play in formations with 2 strikers like Marmoush and Openda which wouldnt seem to fit what Amorim hashad success with, but you never know
He may take a gamble playing under a new system for a more successful team like Real.
It would be his shot for career glory.
However, if it's the system that truly makes him shine, then he may be best sticking with Amorim.
Whatever happens, there's a huge decision coming up for him.
It would be his shot for career glory.
However, if it's the system that truly makes him shine, then he may be best sticking with Amorim.
Whatever happens, there's a huge decision coming up for him.
Nunez and Ramos say hi
You don't get two strikers of the same profile into the same squad, that plays with just one striker up front, when both of them are at the stage of their careers where they expect / need to be first choice for their club. That's just not how you build your squad.
I can't think of a single well-run club where they've went this direction. You buy different profiles and/or roles for one position.
Arsenal have Havertz, Jesus, Martinelli, Trossard and previously had Nketiah up front. All different type of players IMO.
City have Haaland and no one else. Previously had Álvarez, a different profile and someone who could also play other positions. Now they'd have to switch to a false 9 formation with Foden if the Norwegian got injured. They also have no other DM in the squad other than Rodri. Both examples defeat your "have both" argument IMO, as no quality player will join a club where they already have someone that will play all the important matches all the time, unless they're not available. You're basically praying for a long-term injury to happen to one of them so that sharing/not sharing minutes doesn't become a problem.
Madrid don't have a single real striker in their squad.
Bayern only have Kane.
Liverpool have Jota, Núnez, and Gakpo, two of whom can play on the wings and all 3 are different types of players.
Chelsea and Barcelona aren't exactly well-run but they're good examples regarding the striker position too. It's Jackson and Lewandowski starting, with the alternative options being versatile players and not solely number 9s.
The move to make, if we want to sign a striker next summer, is someone like Welbeck. Doesn't expect to be first choice, but can be relied on when called upon, and would cost nothing from a financial point of view. A really good depth option that doesn't come with "problems" such as expecting a lot of minutes, big salary, etc.
If we played with 2 strikers up front, even though no top club really does that anymore, it still wouldn't make sense to buy Gyökeres. It would make sense to buy someone who complements Hojlund and is a different profile, instead of "disrupting" him, or vice versa.
100%. Caveat is that its effectiveness is also dependent on the other team's set-up (yesterday City playing such a high line with little pace recovery in that line was... surprisingly naive) but it's still a very effective tool to have in your skillset.
Hello to them too but I don't recall them being 26 year olds who moved for £100m.
If it’s not BS then the team that pays that fee of £60m in one instalment will get the deal done, we don’t like one instalment deals?
To think I was hoping Luton would sign him when we got promoted 
Yeah I can't see that at all. Zirkzee will be loaned or sold in the summer and replaced by Gyorkares, since no one thinks Hojlund is going to be good or enough to yield 25+ goals or even remain healthy for an entire season. You need two quality strikers, even if only one of them is playing at a time.
there's no chance in hell that United and Ruben won't be going in for Viktor....Zirkzee clearly isn't the answer as he has no pace whatsoever where Viktor ran away from City defenders and Zirkzee would get caught from behind
Or he has about a year of it, then 5 injury plagued seasons, before an Indian summer. As of your namesake.
Gyokeres' big feature was never that he was quick and strong - lots of players in the championship are. He's really bloody bendy. He can score from pretty much anywhere because he can do the physical bit and then suddenly become jelly. That's what's rare and special about him.
Why would they want either when they have Kane?
Didn’t realise they were on here too.
Unless he has a reasonable clause, he’s going for big money. Near 9 figures.
Amorim suggested that's the price so who knows
Kane is 33, Bayern will be looking to offload him and his massive wage next summer
Would 100% take him but I’m sure after his performance last night, it is going to make even more clubs seriously more interested in signing him. Again if he’s got a reasonable release clause then by all means, activate it.
Harry Kane only turned 31 at the end of July this year and is nailed on to score 40-50 goals again this season and if was sold back to the PL he would still command a £50-60m transfer fee even at 32 in the summer.
I have a feeling that SJR, Berrada and Ashworth must have made some promises and Amorim will know everything about his ex players contracts which give us a huge advantage.
I think PSG, City or Even Bayern can do the deal at £60-65m because they’ll pay in one payment, United will probably offer £75-80m over 2/3 years.
Or they’ll sell two of either M Rashford, M Mount, Antony, J Zirkzee to fund the transfer.
I think PSG, City or Even Bayern can do the deal at £60-65m because they’ll pay in one payment, United will probably offer £75-80m over 2/3 years.
Or they’ll sell two of either M Rashford, M Mount, Antony, J Zirkzee to fund the transfer.
He is 31, and they're not splashing £100m for two seasons of Kane. He is going nowhere.
I'm a bit worried about Zirkzee in the new tactical setup, but there's absolutely no reason to believe with so much certainty that he will be loaned or sold just yet, especially so soon after signing him.
Regarding the two strikers bit, I wrote another post saying that in my opinion, you don't buy two quality strikers of very similar profiles, and no team really does that, especially ones that are well-run, if you look at other top clubs' squads. Hojlund and Gyökeres have similar strengths IMO. If we heavily invest in a new #9 (I doubt we will, but we'll see), I think we'll get a different profile.
Also, we have much bigger holes to fill in the squad than a new striker.
-Athletic LCB to cover big spaces, maybe even 2 CBs overall if Maguire, Evans, and Lindelöf all leave.
-Expansive passer in the midfield
-Left-sided wingback possibly
-Maybe a new #10 to play next to Bruno, if Mount's injury situation doesn't get better
These are all bigger needs than a new striker
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A lot of this will depend what Amorim and his staff make of both player’s.
Zirkzee is clearly leaving. Amorim's system require players that run, fast in transition and work their ass off when not on the ball.
Zirkzee is the exact opposite of this, no coach can change this. He'll be sold in the summer.
The obvious replacement is Gyokeres, but let's wait as the price will be definitely a factor.
Zirkzee is the exact opposite of this, no coach can change this. He'll be sold in the summer.
The obvious replacement is Gyokeres, but let's wait as the price will be definitely a factor.
If he goes to United and he doesn't do well in first 3 games, there is already memes and montages and media headlines making fun of him. Suddenly he is out of confidence and it's an uphill battle.
Well let’s just not buy him if you say so.
You must be a joy to be around!
I doubt it. Sporting are doing very well in the CL right now and I don’t think they would let go of such a crucial player for anything but big money.
Does he reject all others to follow Amorim? Is this already decided? Have they cooked it up already and that’s why Roobs says he has to stay at SCP until the summer?! 
I imagine a lot hinges on us making the CL. Both in terms of the player wanting the move, and us having the cash to pay for him.Does he reject all others to follow Amorim? Is this already decided? Have they cooked it up already and that’s why Roobs says he has to stay at SCP until the summer?!