Just don't do it to yourself he will either stay at Madrid or go to Bayern/PSG for a year before heading to Saudi/MLS to see out career.
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Just don't do it to yourself he will either stay at Madrid or go to Bayern/PSG for a year before heading to Saudi/MLS to see out career.
I really don't think it's inconceivable that the club try and bring him back into the fold.Lost me at greenwood
You're so wrong, Greenwood ain't wearing that kit anymore
It absolutely is.
You're probably right. But apparantly he's having a kid with the very same girl, and they're getting married. It's a strange situation. I suspect the marriage thing is a way of smoothing things over in the public eye, maybe even demanded by the club. But what do I know?
Just because he can control his girlfriend it doesn't mean he can control what the public think of him. Shouldn't be anywhere near the club get rid asapYou're probably right. But apparantly he's having a kid with the very same girl, and they're getting married. It's a strange situation. I suspect the marriage thing is a way of smoothing things over in the public eye, maybe even demanded by the club. But what do I know?
I'm really not so sure. I can see him doing interviews, therapy, going out on loan abroad etc. with the club eventually paving the way to bringing him back in. The new ownership might want to just sever ties though so as to avoid an early PR shitstorm.You're probably right. But apparantly he's having a kid with the very same girl, and they're getting married. It's a strange situation. I suspect the marriage thing is a way of smoothing things over in the public eye, maybe even demanded by the club. But what do I know?
Same here.
Personally I'm fine with that. I don't like the Qatarie royals but I'd continue to support/watch United even if they buy us. So I'd be fine with him back I think. At least he didn't torture or kill anyone.
There’d be mass outcry if he ever played for us again, no matter how the club want to spin it. They’re trying to establish a women’s team on the European stage and are struggling to keep hold of their best players as it is. What message does it send to them if we bring him back into the fold?
We’ve proven we don’t need Greenwood, and it would make much more sense to cut ties and send a message that you can’t get away with stuff simply because you’re good at what you do.
I honestly don't see how in the current world we're living, you'd think there is a real possibility of that happening. The issue is mainly PR and United will never risk its brand for him, he's not worth it. He is nowhere near good enough for the club to risk it all on him
you think he should have the honour and privilege or playing for united again?
Same. There is already training pictures of him at the club, a person who by law & judgement was deemed legal. I dont see United as a club trying to impose that someone is illegal when that is the job of lawyers & judges. Could be wrong though.
If we see a significant PR offensive (interviews from him and his gf/wife, talks about therapy, a lot of social work, etc) then it wouldn't surprise me too much if it does happen. Not saying it should, but the fact there's now no criminal issue and it appears that the victim has now completely forgiven him and moved on with their life with him...realistically it's going to be a tough decision for the club to make.
Greenwood will never wear a Utd jersey again you do realise that ?
If I had to put money on it, I'd wager he's coming back. Case dropped, marrying the girl, about to have a kid with her, club doesn't have a legal leg to stand on unless Greenwood agrees to leave which I doubt he will because it'd signal Utd found him guilty etc. Can see some joint interviews, PR about he's a fixed man, doing community work, therapy etc and he'll be back.
That people can be rehabilitated? The club probably feels they have a duty of care to this guy who has been at the club since he was a child. I'd rather he got given the care he clearly needs from a therapeutical standpoint than he turn into a journeyman and potentially an even bigger cnut and hurts more people, or the same person again.
I absolutely understand why someone would want to see him kicked to the kerb. But he needs help and I hope he's been getting it for the last however many years it's been since this came to light.
Osimhen and Ferguson but Hojlund may be cheaper.
There wasn't much mass outcry when we heard the Qataries would buy us. People were actually happy with that. Tbh I'm not against nor for him comming back. I simply found it a bit too double standards and unfair if you're fine with the Qataries owning the club but not him comming back. At least for me it's so. For the woman team imo if they didn't complain when the Qataries buy us, they shouldn't complain if he's back.
Maybe because Greenwood and Qatar are completely different things?
Doubt Ferguson would leave Brighton this summer
Not really I think. Some may argue MG is a player so he presents us more than the owners. But some also might argue the owners present us more since players come and go but they're with us indefinitely. For me it's the same. Both are associated with the club.
For the woman team they complained about the possibility of being around MG but so far I've never heard them complaning about the possibility of being around much worse people like the Qatarie royals. It's not like the new owners and their guys won't ever be around OT or the Carrington if they buy us.
Ronaldo paid off his rape allegations. Alonso killed that girl when drunk driving. Maradona shot at the press with a pellet gun. It goes on and on. If you are a sht footballer then you will probably be done. If you are worth nearly 100 mill it will be awkward at first but it will get spun until everyone forgives and forgets. Look at Mike Tyson.
It won't, the audio leaked makes a big big problem for the club. If there wasn't that file then he would have found a way to resume his career.
The club not having a legal leg to stand on doesn't it will welcome him back with open arms. The audio and pictures have been heard and seen by millions
Ferguson would be an “and” rather than an “or”. One for the future whilst also being very useful now as part of the squad. We need more than one striker.
I don't think people would really forgive and forget. Like you still remmember all those stories. And most of us fans I think.
Agree. And if the Qatarie royals buy us the chance he'd be back is even smaller imo. People will say because they also did/do that so they're fine with him. They surely would like to avoid that I think.
I also think that's the case. The last thing they'll want is to be mired in controversy and to have grief from sponsors, demos etc.
The bold isn't true btw. The standard of proof required for gross misconduct is balance of probability, and nothing that has happened so far rules out a balance of probability finding in the club's favour. If they went down that route a settlement seems more likely but it isn't even slightly true that they don't have a leg to stand on legally.
The last thing Evan Ferguson needs is a move to United to be stuck on the bench as a third or fourth choice striker. If we do sign him, he should go straight back on loan to Brighton.
As for Osimhen, it's mental money but we'll have to go large or go home I suppose.
As for Osimhen, it's mental money but we'll have to go large or go home I suppose.
What are you talking about? He raped and beat up his girlfriend. You're fine with that once he didn't waterboard her. Give your head a wobble. Disgraceful comment.
Is this the Osimhen thread?
With his contract running out in 2025 he'll be due to leave by the time it all washes over. United have an option to extend a year.
I could see the club trying to get a fee of some sort if we do see some mild PR offensive. It might be best for both if he just goes.
What the hell does that bolded part mean? He may not have been found guilty but he has brought the club into major disrepute by committing a horrendous act of violence on a young girl. I suspect they have more ammo behind the scenes because OGS used to be always dropping him inexplicably and giving vague warnings to him through the media (which people were confused by at the time). I suspect the club has a code of conduct that employees including players have signed up to and that the club absolutely will have the flexibility to fire him summarily.
I personally would be disgusted if the club entertained bringing him back. It really compromises everyone at the club who may have to face awkward questions and be seen to support someone that has done something terrible. As with Ronaldo, I wouldn't be able to get behind him regardless of whether a court of law has decided he is guilty or not. We've all seen that video and can't believe that anyone with a moral compass would condone bringing that dickhead back. He's not even that good for lads to be embarrassing themselves over.
there would only be a mass outcry b/c he plays for united and he's a very high profile young english player
where was the mass outcry for former brighton and current spurs player Bissouma?? even Ronaldo had a high profile case from being in Vegas....never had an impact for any of these guys
also....what does it say about people and the public when you can't give a kid the opportunity to learn, grow and get a second chance to become a better person? the kid made a clear and unforgiveable/unforgettable mistake and he's had to deal with that for the past what 13 months?
where was the mass outcry for former brighton and current spurs player Bissouma?? even Ronaldo had a high profile case from being in Vegas....never had an impact for any of these guys
also....what does it say about people and the public when you can't give a kid the opportunity to learn, grow and get a second chance to become a better person? the kid made a clear and unforgiveable/unforgettable mistake and he's had to deal with that for the past what 13 months?
Do we need to talk about what the Qatarie royals did or how women are treated there? They did many things much worse than rape and beat up women.
I could live with those people owning United. How about you? I've never seen you saying anything against that I think.
Would you feel that forgiving about Gylffi Siggurdsson and Adam Johnson too? What sort of message do you think it sends to the kids coming up through the academy. What lesson does Greenwood learn from doing something awful and never having to suffer real consequences for it aside from missing a few games while being paid? He was told to stay away from his victim and couldn't do that much. Basically witness tampered his way out of a conviction.
The worst thing is that as passionately I feel about him never playing for the club again, I think they are trying to test the water with fans at the moment. No leadership from the club at all. Delay, delay, delay until they know what way the wind is blowing rather than showing any true values. Laurie Whitwell floating a little "should United forgive greenwood" style article in the Athletic today. Hope they sell him to Turkey and he can seek to be a better person there.
why no charges and why nothing really since July 2021???? how long does it take to determine a case and whether an incident took place? shouldn't it be innocent until proven guilty?
see that is the issue i have with people in this era....always wanting to condemn and judge someone before complete facts are shown, this age of cancel culture is pathetic.
if you don't think Mason has suffered, you are terribly wrong and not saying it hasn't been deserved. We've seen the pictures and what not so he's reaping what he has sowed.
i'm just saying if every kid who has made a massive mistake gets cancelled, what kind of world do we live in now?
Agreed if we are talking idealistically. But for decades people got away with many things if they were good at things. Even at work you constantly get cases of people getting a bit of a longer leash if they really excel at something. They way this world is spinning right now I wouldn't be surprised of anything. God knows what nutcases like Keane, Bellamy, Wise, Vinny Jones did and it was swept under the rug. We will probably get Qatar owners of the club. We see grown men dressing like women and identifying like one, drag queens, trans, bi, polar etc. To me it is a bit to close resemblance of where we are going as civilization to Universe 25 for my liking. So for Greenwood to put on United shirt again it would not surprise me no.
Osimhen is clearly some levels above the other two. I'd say bring Osimhen and another one. I don't expect us to make a permanent move for Weghorst and Martial's injury record makes him pretty much unusable so we need, at least, 2 new strikers for next season.
I wouldn't be so certain.
The process they've opted to undertake (including conducting their own investigation in which he will no longer have the burden of proof on his side and consulting members of the women's team who will certainly express concerns about his return) would put them in a much worse position if they ultimately opt to reinstate him. Because instead of deferring to the outcome of a police investigation they would be casting their own judgement on accusations of rape & domestic violence, while also opening themselves up to accusation of ignoring the concerns of women they employ. That's a bad, bad position to take in the face of what would already be a massive public backlash.
Whereas it's a very helpful process if the ultimate outcome is his departure, as they would now be able point to an extensive internal process in which he was given fair hearing, balance of probability conclusions as to what occurred and concerns expressed by other employees.
I wouldn't read to much into noise and speculation surrounding what by design needs to seem like a fair, balanced process in which all options are considered. In reality the process is weighted in one direction and it isn't towards reinstatement.
Edit: actually, are we even allowed to be talking about this on this forum now?
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