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Victor Osimhen | out of options | goes to Gala on loan
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It's annoying Napoli paid so much to sign Osimhen in the first instance. He's a player far more suitable for what we want to do here but the financials involved to get it done would be insane, especially if they want us to pay the bulk of Ronaldo's wages.
If we could find a way to fudge the numbers by taking whatever salary subsidies we're proposed to pay for Ronaldo off the Osimhen transfer fee then that might be a deal worth pursuing. I just can't imagine we'd be able to sort the intracacies of two separate deals like that in the time remaining of this window though.
If we could find a way to fudge the numbers by taking whatever salary subsidies we're proposed to pay for Ronaldo off the Osimhen transfer fee then that might be a deal worth pursuing. I just can't imagine we'd be able to sort the intracacies of two separate deals like that in the time remaining of this window though.
Why does the loan have to be an obligation? Surely, a loan with an option is better for both parties (unless Napoli are actively seeking to get rid of Oshimen).
If it works out, we spend the cash next summer and exercise our option. If not, Napoli would be happy to have him back. Lot’s of examples of players doing well in Italy even though it didn’t work out for them in the Premier League (Tammy, Lukaku etc).
Now 120 M sounds ludicrous but if the option is around 90-100 M, then we should go for it.
P.S. I’m not suggesting Oshimen is worth 90-100M euros mind. But seems to be the going rate for top rated talent nowadays.
If it works out, we spend the cash next summer and exercise our option. If not, Napoli would be happy to have him back. Lot’s of examples of players doing well in Italy even though it didn’t work out for them in the Premier League (Tammy, Lukaku etc).
Now 120 M sounds ludicrous but if the option is around 90-100 M, then we should go for it.
P.S. I’m not suggesting Oshimen is worth 90-100M euros mind. But seems to be the going rate for top rated talent nowadays.
There's literally 0 benefit for them in a loan with no obligation unless we pay a crazy stupid loan fee + his full salary.
They're not looking to improve a player in a loan arrangement, they might be considering selling him for 'feck you money'.
If it doesnt work (and no obligation) we just ruined their product nobody is touching him at that value again.
They will want to bank a win. The obligation would be there only if we are cash constrained or we would prefer to show the transfer fee in our books from next year onwards; they would basically do us a solid.
There is a talk of West Ham wanting AWB. Swap him for Antonio and we are good for short term. Antonio can be our Haller profile wise
option 1:
Pay Ronaldo full salary, keep an half arsed player who isn’t suited to ETH style or
Option 2: Loan swap Players with option to buy for 100-120m, Napoli continue to pay their player salary and we continue to pay Ronaldo salary. But we get rid of a player who doesn’t want to be here and get someone more suited to ETH style and also gives us enough time to judge him. For Napoli, they can get Ronaldo, someone they could only dream about!!
Pay Ronaldo full salary, keep an half arsed player who isn’t suited to ETH style or
Option 2: Loan swap Players with option to buy for 100-120m, Napoli continue to pay their player salary and we continue to pay Ronaldo salary. But we get rid of a player who doesn’t want to be here and get someone more suited to ETH style and also gives us enough time to judge him. For Napoli, they can get Ronaldo, someone they could only dream about!!
Napoli won't accept anything that doesn't have an obligation to buy.
Spot on. Pace, header, work-rate, plus getting rid of Ronaldo .. This deal will give everything we crave but is just too good to be true, given the owners and management's incompetence.
First media reported 100m euros + Cristiano, now i have been reading that the total value of a potential transfer would be 100m and that they value Ronaldo around 20m euros - so that would mean 80m cash and 20m in Ronaldo. IF that is true, then we should make this happen without hesitating. I have been a fan of Osimhen for 3 years now and he keeps impressing me and my close friends that are big Napoli fans (we are often sitting together watching both Man UTD and Napoli).
Osimhen has it all basically - pace (longer runs), great finisher with both feet, extremely strong in the air, physically a monster great movement, strong and very good positioning. Dribbling is very effective but he is not the showman (Neymar). He is also very young, i believe 23y (born December 1998) and has already proven himself both in France and now in Italy.
Stats:
Ligue 1 - 27 games 13 goals 5 assists
Seria A - 54 games 26 goals 9 assists
Nigeria - 23 games 15 goals (Cant find stats about assists)
= 104 matches 54 goals 14 assist
Injuries:
Had some problems with his shoulder when he was 18 years old that kept him away twice from playing, first one was 2018 and he didn't play for 8 weeks. He then played for 2 years without any problems but then again, 2020 in November he suffered the same injury again and he didn't play for 6-7 weeks. He made a small surgery that fixed the problem and has not had the issue since then. Was also away from football 6 weeks in 20211 when he got the Corona virus and same year in November he got a cheekbone fracture and Corona again during his rehabilitation.
Other:
- He has scored 8 out 10 penalties.
- Plays for Nigeria so he might miss matches due to the Africa Cup of Nations.
- Speaks fluent English
- 26 game winning goals
- 15 headers
The best deal for us would be if we could send Ronaldo their way on a permanent deal and get a 1 year loan with us paying his salary and with an options to buy for 80m euro.
Osimhen has it all basically - pace (longer runs), great finisher with both feet, extremely strong in the air, physically a monster great movement, strong and very good positioning. Dribbling is very effective but he is not the showman (Neymar). He is also very young, i believe 23y (born December 1998) and has already proven himself both in France and now in Italy.
Stats:
Ligue 1 - 27 games 13 goals 5 assists
Seria A - 54 games 26 goals 9 assists
Nigeria - 23 games 15 goals (Cant find stats about assists)
= 104 matches 54 goals 14 assist
Injuries:
Had some problems with his shoulder when he was 18 years old that kept him away twice from playing, first one was 2018 and he didn't play for 8 weeks. He then played for 2 years without any problems but then again, 2020 in November he suffered the same injury again and he didn't play for 6-7 weeks. He made a small surgery that fixed the problem and has not had the issue since then. Was also away from football 6 weeks in 20211 when he got the Corona virus and same year in November he got a cheekbone fracture and Corona again during his rehabilitation.
Other:
- He has scored 8 out 10 penalties.
- Plays for Nigeria so he might miss matches due to the Africa Cup of Nations.
- Speaks fluent English
- 26 game winning goals
- 15 headers
The best deal for us would be if we could send Ronaldo their way on a permanent deal and get a 1 year loan with us paying his salary and with an options to buy for 80m euro.
Hope De Laurentiis' footballing fantasy of sleeping with a porn star comes true albeit an ageing one.
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Lautaro is a poacher and that’s it, a short & bulky sort of fox-in-the-box striker. As for the comparison with Abraham, you can clearly see Osimhen has another gear in his engine and I am pretty confident that extra gear would serve the pinball-style PL game much better than the slower, tactical game he has to play in Italy right now.
If we got him in now I would be - fall out of the chair in shock - surprised
Yeah this was basically a hail mary by Mendes. United aren't cooperating, so this isn't happening
Napoli is a crazy club to deal with.
Napoli do realise it's Ronaldo who wants out, not that we're trying to sell him
Mendes not only got to get Ronaldo a new club but he has to line up a replacement for Utd as well!
Mendes will have to fork out some of his own cash if he want's this transfer to happen. No way United are meeting those demands for someone they can keep on the bench and still put in all their media stuff
130m for Osimhen is extremely bad business so we will do it.
Just get it done we need a big target man who will ruffle a few feathers,this is the only way we can bridge the gap with the likes of city/Liverpool etc.Go for it shit or bust it cannot get any worse than last season.
A friend of mine, who regularly watch the Italian league, describes him as a monster who will battle for every ball with defenders, pacy, is very good in the box, can finish with both feet and is very dangerous in the air. His opinion on the deal is that we will get the better team with Osimhen than Napoli with Ronaldo. Basically, the same opinion I have about him but he watched a lot more Napoli games. But he also said that Di Marzio, who first broke this story, is not as reliable as he was before.
There’s surely no way this happens but Osimhen is probably the player I’d want most as a striker. His play style kind of reminds me of Louis Saha in that he’s very well rounded in all attributes. He’s definitely not as technical or silky as Martial so I think those two battling for our no.9 would be good competition depending on what we needed against a specific opponent - I think they’d actually also make quite a good pair up top.
A forward line of Martial, Osimhen, Rashford, Sancho, Antony would give us lots of options and we’ve still got Elanga and Garnacho to bed in too.
But…..never gonna happen.
A forward line of Martial, Osimhen, Rashford, Sancho, Antony would give us lots of options and we’ve still got Elanga and Garnacho to bed in too.
But…..never gonna happen.
He's not worth over 60m, even in this mad money market. Massively unconvinced by him. He's got time on his side, but a deal north of 100m would be very worth deriding.
I keep pronouncing his name as 'Osimen-he'.
Like most, I'm only judging from YouTube highlights, but I haven't been blown away from what I've seen there.
A striker of his quality and potential would never be cheap, unless you're getting him from a club who are desperate for cash.
Wrong it O-Si-men.
I'm not seeing him as a future world class striker, not yet. Certainly not based off what he's done in Italy so far.
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Absolutely this. Guy is good and i would welcome his signing especially that he seems as ETH's type of forward but nothing screams world class or potential world class around him.
The fact that Napoli overpayed him is their problem. At current market 40-50 mil euros would be his realistic price and i would not mind us paying that. 80 mil-100 mil? Come on
I've seen him since his U17 days for Nigeria, he did very well in France and is rated very highly in Italy. I wouldn't want him coming here if Ole or Mourinho was united manager but under Ten Hag he is perfect to lead the press, has all the qualities to fit into the EPL and he will score goals as well.
He won't be the finished product from day 1 but he'll grow and I think quickly under Ten Hag.
Orstein tweeted that utd incoming business is done after antony and the newcastle keeper.
I’ve been pronouncing it “Osh-ee-men”
Think that’s his opinion, he wasn’t certain we’d get Antony in.
I’m hopeful we’ll get a striker in and that’ll be it, but won’t be surprised if we do nothing. Guess it all depends on Ronaldo
Hes tier 1 though isnt he? Very reliable according to many on here.
Glazers dont want to sell ronaldo, so he qont go, despite mendes best efforts.
Absolutely this. Guy is good and i would welcome his signing especially that he seems as ETH's type of forward but nothing screams world class or potential world class around him.
The fact that Napoli overpayed him is their problem. At current market 40-50 mil euros would be his realistic price and i would not mind us paying that. 80 mil-100 mil? Come on
This is a market where players like Nunez and Antony have been signed for up to €100m. There's not the slightest chance in hell that Osimhen is only worth half that. €40-50m is the sort of bid Everton have already rejected for a player like Anthony Gordon.
I swear some posters still think it’s 2008.
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Absolutely this. Guy is good and i would welcome his signing especially that he seems as ETH's type of forward but nothing screams world class or potential world class around him.
The fact that Napoli overpayed him is their problem. At current market 40-50 mil euros would be his realistic price and i would not mind us paying that. 80 mil-100 mil? Come on
This isn't strictly true - look at the other side of the deal and the players that went the other way. Napoli sent them a back-up goalkeeper and 3 youth team players that supposedly made up €20m of the total transfer value, which depending on who you believe (Lille president or Napoli president) was either €68m or €70m + €10m.
Evidently this seems to have been some sort of effort to cook the books probably on Lille's side, as all 3 of these youth players never played for Lille and were immediately loaned to a Serie C side I believe before they had their contracts terminated. One of them was interviewed and said he had literally never even set foot in Lille.
The reality seems to be that Napoli probably paid around €40-50m for him. They could more than afford to sell him for cheaper than the quoted price, though I'm not sure whether them doing so would trigger some sort of new investigation into the original deal. The problem mainly seems to be centered around De Laurentiis having ridiculous valuations of his own players, like when he wanted more than €110m for Koulibaly back in the day.
I agree, but this bloke isn't anything special yet. Doesn't mean every tom dick or harry should be going for 100m.
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