yeah..everything you do not agree with is utter nonsense.
Victor Lindelof to Wolves?
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Because they are better. Why would we get rid of them, because they've been here longer? Smalling is our most consistent CB and Jones is the best one when fit. The only one to be sold would be Rojo but he just signed a new contract.
Selling one of the two CBs that we possess that can stay fit (Smalling is the other) would be madness until we sort the rest out.
Jones should go first, only because he cannot stay fit no matter what is tried.
Think he is a better player than he has shown so far but not convinced he is suited to premier league.
I wouldn’t be to fussed if he left on loan or was sold because we wouldn’t be any worse off in short or long term if he was replaced by TFM or Tuanzebe
I wouldn’t be to fussed if he left on loan or was sold because we wouldn’t be any worse off in short or long term if he was replaced by TFM or Tuanzebe
Why not loan Jones instead? Could be one of those situations where a player leaves an environment and suddenly their fortunes change. Our club is cursed when it comes to CB injuries. I swear weve been having these CB crisis for a solid 10 years now.
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If we sign a center back it makes sense to get rid of one of the ones we have. Lindelof isn't likely to start here next year even if we get rid of one of Jones, Rojo, or Smalling so why not send him out on loan to a club where he'd start regularly. Keep what we have, bring in an experienced center back, and loan out Lindelof.
If he does well next season on loan then it makes it easier to get rid of one of the other three mentioned above. Hopefully Jones or Rojo (or both honestly).
If he does well next season on loan then it makes it easier to get rid of one of the other three mentioned above. Hopefully Jones or Rojo (or both honestly).
not sure about this guy. Haven't seen enough but what I have seen is he is having issues with the physicality as a lot of newcomers do. He got bullied earlier in season in that match where he lined up against Glen Murray, whose hardly a beast. We were sold on his comfort on the ball, to date he has looked okay in that regard, nothing special. Loan him out. I did say on the Alderweireld thread that his presence alongside any of our error prone central defenders will improve them, and i include Lindelof in that.All our central defenders are good but prone to lapses, which is only multiplied when you have 2 of them in same side. A steadying influence would be most welcome.
I had a little chuckle to myself at the thoughts of banishiing an ever-fit centre half.
Loan-move wouldn't be a problem.
Don't think he deserves ditched altogether just yet (potential is still very much there). I'd bin Jones and Rojo in that order if we were shaking up the back-line.
Don't think he deserves ditched altogether just yet (potential is still very much there). I'd bin Jones and Rojo in that order if we were shaking up the back-line.
For me, Alderweireld, Jones, Bailly, and Lindelof should be our 4 cbs for next season with Smalling and Rojo being sold. Alternatively, I would be happy to see Lindelof take a season long long at Wolves, to continue his development, and keep Smalling. Rojo has to go, he's rubbish. Tuanzebe should stay next season and be our 5th choice CB, him or Tofu. You need 5 because of injuries, and the versatility of playing 3 at the back.
A loan could work well. Definitely shouldn't sell him at this point.
No way should Smalling be going before Jones. If they're going to be squad players, they'll need reliable, which Jones is nowhere near being.
Anyone bought up a swap for Ruben Neves?
Jones is a much, much better player than Smalling. That's just my subjective opinion.
Selling our most reliable and always available CB and keep someone who is lucky enough to play 20 matches a season ? It should be the opposite.
I'd agree that he's a better player, but his lack of reliability is too much of an issue to make that extra ability worth anything in my eyes.
Answer to the question in the title. Yes please.
But it means nothing, he can't stay fit. Smalling, and I don't particularly like him, has been Jose's #1 boy back there this season. Even if it's just as a squad/rotation option, he will be here next season.
id rather sell them Phil Jones
I have always thought this too, but Smalling has been very reliable this season, and has stayed mostly fit, Jones on the other hand has just been completely unreliable fitness wise like most seasons, and not sure he's performed better than Smalling this season when he has played, we all know Smalling's flaws, and I have been very harsh on him in the past, but I'd say he is a far better bet than Jones now.
Rojo is the one who should be sold. Really I don't find any more use of him in the squad.
If Mourinho continues to play 1 rotating CB + Smalling every match one or two need to go. On the other hand, with so injury prone players he needs many of them.
Most players have had a Huddersfield game or two. Jones with his own goal and Bailly against Sevilla. It is something we need to accept. Since the Christmas break, I think Lindelof has been looming pretty good.
Most players have had a Huddersfield game or two. Jones with his own goal and Bailly against Sevilla. It is something we need to accept. Since the Christmas break, I think Lindelof has been looming pretty good.
I would say they are equally good, with the advantage for Lindelof that he seems to be better at staying fit and healthy. Except Smalling who has been the best CB this season.
Loan only, a season playing regular prem football would improve him. I haven’t seen anything this season to suggest hes not good enough.
Come on fellas! It was clear from day one that Ronaldo was an elite talent. Even in this day and age a talent like him would be given enough time to come good. The same can be said of Robben and both he and Ronaldo had similar starts to their careers in England (they both only scored 15 goals in their first two seasons}. You can't begin to compare Ronaldo with a player like Lindelof who hasn't even shown glimpses of real potential. The guy has been distinctly average.
They have both been better than him in his first season but Smalling is consistant...ly barely average, only good season he has had was with Van Gaal. I get we want to see good British players on the pitch, but why do we so over rate some of the British defenders we have had. People were calling for us signing back Michael Keane before he went to Everton and some Johnny Evans recently....utter madness.
If Smalling wasnt ENglish people wouldnt be so keen on keeping him, same with Jones. Neither can stay fit and bar the one season with Smalling, neither have been consistant. The Jones we signed from Blackburn looked like progressing into a really good centre back....he hasnt progressed, they have been here years now, just because they have been the best of a bad bunch doesnt mean they are good enough. Neither have or ever will be anywhere near the level of the players they were bought to replace long term.
Add to that Blind, Rojo and Lindelof last year.....we have a large pool of squad players at centre back and a couple of promising young ones in Tuanzabe and Mensah......for me Bailly is the only one good enough to start though he has had a loss of form and injuries this year. That is SEVEN centre backs, would quite happily see the back of three of them as we cant move all on at once. Would probably keep Lindelof, JOnes and the two youngsters along with Bailly. Really hope we can sign a top quality signing Alderweiweld is an obvious choice though I would rather someone younger like Nunez, Giminez, Koubilay personally as other examples
The post I replied to also mentioned Vidic and Evra. They looked bang average when they came and I'm pretty sure Evra got subbed at half time in one of his first few apps.
I think Lindelof has looked good after an understandably shaky start
the issue we have is that we have lots of decent but flawed centre backs
Bailly looks great but is rarely fit, Smalling, Jones and Rojo can look really good but have a major mistake in them and aren't top quality.
Lindelof is the best passer we have in the CB position I think.
for me if one was to go it would be Rojo
the issue we have is that we have lots of decent but flawed centre backs
Bailly looks great but is rarely fit, Smalling, Jones and Rojo can look really good but have a major mistake in them and aren't top quality.
Lindelof is the best passer we have in the CB position I think.
for me if one was to go it would be Rojo
We signed him for a reason, give him time to show us why! It’s not like we couldn’t sell him next summer, we have plenty of money
But you can to Martial and look at his situation
Lindelof has at worst been dreadful at times this season, and at best average.
Mourinho doesn't trust him at all. He gets nowhere near the squad for the big games. Everyone saying Smalling and Jones should be sold will be mighty surprised when it turns out they're starting the FA Cup final, because it transpires they're actually our best defenders.
Mourinho doesn't trust him at all. He gets nowhere near the squad for the big games. Everyone saying Smalling and Jones should be sold will be mighty surprised when it turns out they're starting the FA Cup final, because it transpires they're actually our best defenders.
They have also been around for much longer and are obviously fully settled in. We need about 4-5 good CBs who are interchangable, as opposed to a traditional CB pairing.
He's just signed a new contract. So we can forget about him leaving this summer.
He's pretty clearly been bought in as the ball playing CB to play in home games against cannon fodder. I think it's easy to spot that Mourinho manages his opponents.
Except he's not shown himself to be all that good at playing through the lines to actually make a difference to our play. Especially when we have Blind who is actually far better at playing from the back.
In terms of pure defensive ability he's comfortably the worst of our 5. It's not just a physicality thing, he doesn't sense danger at all.
Fair enough but both Vidic and Evra came to United with bigger reputations. Evra captained Monaco and Vidic was part of the 'famous four' of the Serbian NT defense that conceded just once in WC qualification for 06. Furthermore they actually both finished the season very strongly despite their slow starts and showed us what they are capable of. Evra was indeed subbed in his debut against City but he started against Liverpool in his second game (1-0 win) and was one of our best performers. He also displaced Hienze in his first season and was the reason he (Hienze) tried to force a move to Liverpool. He even made several assists during the course of the season and scored in that 7-1 win over Roma. All in all I think Lindelof should get another season at least but he hasn't shown he can be more than a backup lplayer IMO
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Personally, I think he's too weak for the Premier league. Football wise, he's good enough but he's physically going to struggle with such a high tempo and physical league.
Maybe a loan would do him well, but it could very well further destroy his confidence if he goes to a struggling club.
Maybe a loan would do him well, but it could very well further destroy his confidence if he goes to a struggling club.
I don't really see why we'd let him go.. Obviously he has to be playing regularly, but for me he's looked as good as any of our other defenders this season. And he looks competent on the ball - play the boy.
With Smalling we know what we get - a good defensive player but a poor footballer.
Jones could be as good as anyone but he needs to stay fit, and it's crazy how much he gets injured, still.
Rojo is already out the door.
Bailly is a good little player, but hasn't shown a whole lot more than Lindelof yet for me.
Sure, get the Spurs guy in and you loan Lindelof out for the year, but I don't see why we'd sell. Jose's a mad man.
With Smalling we know what we get - a good defensive player but a poor footballer.
Jones could be as good as anyone but he needs to stay fit, and it's crazy how much he gets injured, still.
Rojo is already out the door.
Bailly is a good little player, but hasn't shown a whole lot more than Lindelof yet for me.
Sure, get the Spurs guy in and you loan Lindelof out for the year, but I don't see why we'd sell. Jose's a mad man.
I think Lindy could be good in a defence 3 (I thought maybe that's what he was being bought for at the time) but not sure about a traditional 2
I think the 3 at the back defece looked really good. Then suddenly Mourinho stopped with this, it was at the same time as Pogba was suspended so I thought it was because he needed Pogba for this to work. But he never really went back to 3 at the back.
Sell. I've not seen anything to prove he's good at any aspect of defending.
Even if we only got 20-25m and made a loss I'd be happy.
Any chance of Ruben Neves going our way?
Even if we only got 20-25m and made a loss I'd be happy.
Any chance of Ruben Neves going our way?
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