[SwedishFish]

It's true though, isn't it? And exactly what happened on Sunday. The guy is playing well but he can easily be overly casual or out muscled in any game. What are his strengths as a centre-back? Good passer and calm. He is not a great tackler or great in the air - I think he can have a very good career in Spain or Italy. I'm all for defending our players, particularly when everyone moans constantly nowadays, but Lindelof needs to be upgraded on.

No it isn't. I haven't felt that there was a mistake in him against: Granada, AC Milan, Brighton, Leicester City, West Ham, Man City, Chelsea, Real Sociedad and Newcastle.

You'd have to go back to mid-february for the game where he got climbed on against West Brom to have an argument about a mistake for their goal.

Meanwhile, we got knocked out due to defensive errors from Maguire and Fred in the FA Cup.

You are just picking him out of the bunch for the sake of it because you've already made your mind up. The points you are making are absolute waffle, you can't even point to any incidents or give any indication as to why he'd be better in Spain or Italy.

Could he be improved on? Certainly, but it would cost a lot of money to get someone who is definitely better than him and we might be in the market for a CF which honestly should be our priority if Cavani goes.

 

[SwedishFish]

To be fair, 'there is always a mistake in him' is the perfect comment after a game in which he played well EXCEPT for making a pretty bad mistake.

This comment comes up every game. Regardless if there is one or not and frankly it's a bit tiring.

 

[VojjE]

plays well in patches but then makes an error, sometimes resorting in a goal sometimes a chance, sometimes he gets away with it.

Sounds like every good defender on the planet to me.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

No it isn't. I haven't felt that there was a mistake in him against: Granada, AC Milan, Brighton, Leicester City, West Ham, Man City, Chelsea, Real Sociedad and Newcastle.

You'd have to go back to mid-february for the game where he got climbed on against West Brom to have an argument about a mistake for their goal.

Meanwhile, we got knocked out due to defensive errors from Maguire and Fred in the FA Cup.

You are just picking him out of the bunch for the sake of it because you've already made your mind up. The points you are making are absolute waffle, you can't even point to any incidents or give any indication as to why he'd be better in Spain or Italy.

Could he be improved on? Certainly, but it would cost a lot of money to get someone who is definitely better than him and we might be in the market for a CF which honestly should be our priority if Cavani goes.

Yeah, my mind is made up - he has been at the club long enough for that to happen. What is your issue with this? He is not ever going to be a good enough centre-back to win a major trophy with here.

Oh wait, are you Swedish?

 

[villain]

I'm warming up to him, his form has gotten much better in the last month or so.

Can't be too harsh on him for the goal tbh, it was a strange one for him to deal with - his original position arguably could've been better, but it's not the worst mistake in the world.
He's made many worse, many more times.

We still need to sign a CB in the summer if we can, him and Maguire have played a large amount of matches and we can't expect them to continue without injuries/fatigue for another season.

 

[SwedishFish]

Yeah, my mind is made up - he has been at the club long enough for that to happen. What is your issue with this? He is not ever going to be a good enough centre-back to win a major trophy with here.

Oh wait, are you Swedish?

I could give a feck if we have the queen mother's corpse playing at CB as long as we win games. Him being Swedish means feck all, I bemoan his mistakes as much as anyone.

Provide some of the many mistakes that you've mentioned in your initial post or get chalked up as someone who just has an agenda against one of our players despite their performance.

I'm pretty certain which one it's going to be.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I could give a feck if we have the queen mother's corpse playing at CB as long as we win games. Him being Swedish means feck all, I bemoan his mistakes as much as anyone.

Provide some of the many mistakes that you've mentioned in your initial post or get chalked up as someone who just has an agenda against one of our players despite their performance.

I'm pretty certain which one it's going to be.

Starting to think this is Vic's account.

I have no agenda against the guy, he has been at the club four years and I have seen enough to form the opinion that he is not a good enough defender that Man Utd can rely on him in challenging for major trophies. I have said nothing outlandish. You ignore my points and go on the offence though. I made the point that no matter how good he's playing that he can always be overly casual (Tottenham) or out muscled (West Brom) resulting in a goal. And this is true of him as an individual. I also asked what his strengths were as a centre-back? Over the four years we've watched him I think his best attribute is probably his passing. I don't believe he is a great tackler or great in the air, call me old fashioned but I think your centre-back needs to be strong in these areas in the Premier League. Centre-backs remains high on the list of priorities. And no, I don't have the time to finecomb through all of Man Utd's games this season to point out Lindelof mistakes. Everything I have said is completely reasonable.

 

[A-man]

This comment comes up every game. Regardless if there is one or not and frankly it's a bit tiring.

I think the new twist is that because he makes so many mistakes, he suits well in Spain.

 

[Raven]

Starting to think this is Vic's account.

I have no agenda against the guy, he has been at the club four years and I have seen enough to form the opinion that he is not a good enough defender that Man Utd can rely on him in challenging for major trophies. I have said nothing outlandish. You ignore my points and go on the offence though. I made the point that no matter how good he's playing that he can always be overly casual (Tottenham) or out muscled (West Brom) resulting in a goal. And this is true of him as an individual. I also asked what his strengths were as a centre-back? Over the four years we've watched him I think his best attribute is probably his passing. I don't believe he is a great tackler or great in the air, call me old fashioned but I think your centre-back needs to be strong in these areas in the Premier League. Centre-backs remains high on the list of priorities. And no, I don't have the time to finecomb through all of Man Utd's games this season to point out Lindelof mistakes. Everything I have said is completely reasonable.

You clearly have an agenda against him as you've failed to provide even a single example of a mistake he's made this season, let alone 5 or 10. You're talking directly out of your arse here, he's decent in the air, an aspect of his game I think he's still improving on, he's a good tackler when he goes for them but his biggest strength is his positioning. Positioning and reading of the game is very important for a CB and especially important next to someone as aggressive as Maguire, who often gets caught out of position. I'm not sure why you only talk about heading and tackling as if they're the only important skills for a CB.

I think Lindelof and Maguire can be improved upon but I think Lindelof is more adaptable and possibly even the better player.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

You clearly have an agenda against him as you've failed to provide even a single example of a mistake he's made this season, let alone 5 or 10. You're talking directly out of your arse here, he's decent in the air, an aspect of his game I think he's still improving on, he's a good tackler when he goes for them but his biggest strength is his positioning. Positioning and reading of the game is very important for a CB and especially important next to someone as aggressive as Maguire, who often gets caught out of position. I'm not sure why you only talk about heading and tackling as if they're the only important skills for a CB.

I think Lindelof and Maguire can be improved upon but I think Lindelof is more adaptable and possibly even the better player.

Like I said, all the power to anyone who feels Lindelof Maguire is the partnership to take us forward but I think you're talking out your arse if you genuinely feel this.

I can say the same about your opinion, funny isn't it.

 

[SwedishFish]

Starting to think this is Vic's account.

I have no agenda against the guy, he has been at the club four years and I have seen enough to form the opinion that he is not a good enough defender that Man Utd can rely on him in challenging for major trophies. I have said nothing outlandish. You ignore my points and go on the offence though. I made the point that no matter how good he's playing that he can always be overly casual (Tottenham) or out muscled (West Brom) resulting in a goal. And this is true as him as an individual. I also asked what his strengths were as a centre-back? Over the four years we've watched him I think his best attribute is probably his passing. I don't believe he is a great tackler or great in the air, call me old fashioned but I think your centre-back needs to be strong in these areas in the Premier League. Centre-backs remains high on the list of priorities. And no, I don't have the time to finecomb through all of Man Utd's games this season to point out Lindelof mistakes. Everything I have said is completely reasonable.

You've not backed up anything you said with anything but pure "feelings".

CB could be a priority, but if we lose Edinson Cavani which is looking fairly likely, then I believe that is a higher priority than getting a new CB because relying on Greenwood and Martial to be the main striker is going to cost us far more than upgrading on CB.

I don't think he's an exceptional tackler either frankly but I think he's very good in a positional sense at reading the game, blocking, and covering for AWB and Maguire when needed.

I also don't think he's bad aerially either.

Let's take this instance from yesterday as an example where Aurier completely shakes off Maguire by putting him off-balance allowing a free shot on goal if it wasn't for Lindelöfs block.

I believe having an active more aggressive defender like Maguire is good a lot of the time because it prevents a lot of chances and puts us on the front foot but it also requires defenders to cover for him quite often, something I think will become clear for us when we buy a new CB.


Here's a full clip of the incident to see it in its entirety.

EDIT: video only works on youtube, its at 1:07 seconds.

 

[Raven]

Like I said, all the power to anyone who feels Lindelof Maguire is the partnership to take us forward but I think you're talking out your arse if you genuinely feel this.

I can say the same about your opinion, funny isn't it.

I think a CB is a priority signing.

You said Lindelof always has a mistake in him, you haven't backed that statement up whatsoever.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

You've not backed up anything you said with anything but pure "feelings".

CB could be a priority, but if we lose Edinson Cavani which is looking fairly likely, then I believe that is a higher priority than getting a new CB because relying on Greenwood and Martial to be the main striker is going to cost us far more than upgrading on CB.

I don't think he's an exceptional tackler either frankly but I think he's very good in a positional sense at reading the game, blocking, and covering for AWB and Maguire when needed.

I also don't think he's bad aerially either.

Let's take this instance from yesterday as an example where Aurier completely shakes off Maguire by putting him off-balance allowing a free shot on goal if it wasn't for Lindelöfs block.

I believe having an active more aggressive defender like Maguire is good a lot of the time because it prevents a lot of chances and puts us on the front foot but it also requires defenders to cover for him quite often, something I think will become clear for us when we buy a new CB.

Here's a full clip of the incident to see it in its entirety.

I like this post. I do think he has had a good season for what it's worth. Earlier in the season I felt de Gea, Lindelof, Maguire was a disaster and thought the defence looked so much stronger with Henderson, Bailly, Maguire. Now Henderson is number one it probably helps Lindelof and the type of defender he is. But I still don't see him becoming a top centre-back, I just don't. I'm not trying to offend anyone here.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I think a CB is a priority signing.

You said Lindelof always has a mistake in him, you haven't backed that statement up whatsoever.

So you agree that an upgrade on Lindelof is required?

And come on, I don't have the time to be finecombing through Man Utd games like that. I feel that over a four year period that I have never felt confidently that Lindelof is the solution to our defence and I honestly feel he can easily cost the team a goal in any game through casualness or being out muscled.

 

[bsCallout]

You clearly have an agenda against him as you've failed to provide even a single example of a mistake he's made this season, let alone 5 or 10. You're talking directly out of your arse here, he's decent in the air, an aspect of his game I think he's still improving on, he's a good tackler when he goes for them but his biggest strength is his positioning. Positioning and reading of the game is very important for a CB and especially important next to someone as aggressive as Maguire, who often gets caught out of position. I'm not sure why you only talk about heading and tackling as if they're the only important skills for a CB.

I think Lindelof and Maguire can be improved upon but I think Lindelof is more adaptable and possibly even the better player.

He's poor in the air. The poster also gave you two examples of errors.

I don't think he's good enough either but he is improving. I think we do need him to be replaced OR for a proper CDM to come in.

You seem very defensive in this, are you related?

 

[Raven]

He's poor in the air. The poster also gave you two examples of errors.

I don't think he's good enough either but he is improving. I think we do need him to be replaced OR for a proper CDM to come in.

You seem very defensive in this, are you related?

He's not poor in the air, check the stats. One of his examples was the howler from yesterday which I agree was a howler. The other example is of an assault on Lindelof which was not an error.

Fair enough if you think he needs replacing, I'm on the fence on the matter. What I'm trying to get across is that he's not error prone, very far from it. My conclusion is from the eye test and also backed up with stats. Can you please give me some examples to prove his propensity towards errors?

It's quite telling that you ask me if I'm related, usually suggests you don't really have an argument.

 

[SwedishFish]

I like this post. I do think he has had a good season for what it's worth. Earlier in the season I felt de Gea, Lindelof, Maguire was a disaster and thought the defence looked so much stronger with Henderson, Bailly, Maguire. Now Henderson is number one it probably helps Lindelof and the type of defender he is. But I still don't see him becoming a top centre-back, I just don't. I'm not trying to offend anyone here.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that Lindelöf is going to be our starting CB in the long-term but I do think he's good enough to be an option at CB for Manchester United.

Competition for the CB spot is good because frankly, Tuanzebe is probably not up to it for us, and Bailly is injured far too often and we need competition for the spots in the XI like Manchester City have if we are going to win or properly challenge for any titles. Neither Maguire nor Lindelöf should feel that their spot is cemented in the XI.

Henderson absolutely helps our defense full stop since he can come out to sweep and isn't as passive as DDG has been. Getting him in as our starting GK helps us a lot.

When it comes to transfers I think it's a bit tricky, we need to improve our attack and probably our defensive midfield position as well as get a good CB in and I don't think three signings in one summer is likely.

If we could do that, fantastic, I'd be as happy as anyone but we'll see what the priorities are in the summer.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Some posters think he is, or can become, good enough and some posters think he isn't good enough. Rarely a good thing when a player divides opinion like that, in my opinion. Nothing to do with an agenda and we will see over the next year or two who is right.

 

[A-man]

I think our defence at the moment, is the best we’ve had in a while. We have conceded very few goals in open play, and we seem to have improved on setpieces.

I think that’s also why the defensive results have been so impressive lately.

We have conceded 0 or 1 goal in 14 of our last 15 matches (all competitions).
In the PL we have conceded 0 or 1 goal 15 times in our last 17 matches.

 

[SwedishFish]

Some posters think he is, or can become, good enough and some posters think he isn't good enough. Rarely a good thing when a player divides opinion like that, in my opinion. Nothing to do with an agenda and we will see over the next year or two who is right.

To be fair I think that can be said about a majority of players at United. Only a select few like Bruno are spared. I mean Pogba, Shaw, Martial for example all dividing opinions that swing from one season to another. Last year Martial was the solution at CF and Luke Shaw was heading for replacement with the purchase of Alex Telles and people were happy to be rid of Pogba.

Just goes to show how quickly opinions can shift from one season to another.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

To be fair I think that can be said about a majority of players at United. Only a select few like Bruno are spared. I mean Pogba, Shaw, Martial for example all dividing opinions that swing from one season to another. Last year Martial was the solution at CF and Luke Shaw was heading for replacement with the purchase of Alex Telles and people were happy to be rid of Pogba.

Just goes to show how quickly opinions can shift from one season to another.

Absolutely fair point. And I'd love to be wrong about Lindelof personally, it is better for the club if I am.

 

[SwedishFish]

I think our defence at the moment, is the best we’ve had in a while. We have conceded very few goals in open play, and we seem to have improved on setpieces lately.

I think that’s also why the defensive results have been so impressive lately.

We have conceded 0 or 1 goal in 14 of our last 15 matches.
In the PL we have conceded 0 or 1 goal 15 times in our last 17 matches.

Agreed, a lot is to do with Henderson as well.

What we've noticed is that we've lacked a spark in attack, especially since Cavani has been out and we've not really looked that threatening often scrapping to win games whilst being defensively solid.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I think our defence at the moment, is the best we’ve had in a while. We have conceded very few goals in open play, and we seem to have improved on setpieces lately.

I think that’s also why the defensive results have been so impressive lately.

We have conceded 0 or 1 goal in 14 of our last 15 matches.
In the PL we have conceded 0 or 1 goal 15 times in our last 17 matches.

Henderson getting a chance at being our number 1 GK has made the team go up a level, in my opinion, especially in terms of our defensive structure and shape.

I heard him constantly communicate with the players ahead of him and giving them instructions, which helps so much with staying sharp and concentrated, whilst also helping with awareness and reducing the amount of unforced errors we commit as a team.

 

[bsCallout]

He's not poor in the air, check the stats. One of his examples was the howler from yesterday which I agree was a howler. The other example is of an assault on Lindelof which was not an error.

Fair enough if you think he needs replacing, I'm on the fence on the matter. What I'm trying to get across is that he's not error prone, very far from it. My conclusion is from the eye test and also backed up with stats. Can you please give me some examples to prove his propensity towards errors?

It's quite telling that you ask me if I'm related, usually suggests you don't really have an argument.

it's because of your defensiveness. I didn't need an arguement it wasn't my debate.

What stats back you up?

 

[A-man]

I’m neither aggressive nor have I made it personal. Well ok maybe a little with @A-man once I realised he was Swedish and has the most replies in this thread. Since then I’ve backed off and not made anything personal.

It’s all in the past and I think we were both pretty rude

 

[A-man]

Absolutely fair point. And I'd love to be wrong about Lindelof personally, it is better for the club if I am.

It’s not easy to find a CB that would automatically mean an upgrade. We have the best or second best defence in the PL atm. If it was easy to upgrade that, all our competitors would have done that as well.

Whenever we concede a goal we go through it over and over again, in to every detail. Over analysing it. Forgetting that we face the best forwards in the world. Forgetting that what we see for the 29th time in slow motion happened in half a second.
The goal Cavani scored with his beautiful header. Now when we scored, we didn’t even consider it was a defence mistake. But if we had conceded it... ?
How could Shaw not block that cross?
How could the CBs not clear that cross?
Why is the CB on the wrong side of the forward?
Why is no one protecting the first post?
Passive goal keeper.
Etc.

That fools us to believe our CBs are worse than they are. Bad I wrote, it’s not easy to find a CB that would be a guaranteed upgrade.

Agreed, a lot is to do with Henderson as well.

What we've noticed is that we've lacked a spark in attack, especially since Cavani has been out and we've not really looked that threatening often scrapping to win games whilst being defensively solid.

Henderson getting a chance at being our number 1 GK has made the team go up a level, in my opinion, especially in terms of our defensive structure and shape.

I heard him constantly communicate with the players ahead of him and giving them instructions, which helps so much with staying sharp and concentrated, whilst also helping with awareness and reducing the amount of unforced errors we commit as a team.

As you both write, Henderson has meant a lot for our defence, and I think especially him and the CBs seem to communicate and cooperate very well.
With Henderson we have got what the other teams already had; an active keeper who cooperates and communicates to help his defence. With DDG we have keeper who, imo, doesn’t help his defence in that sense, but instead saves the team with amazing saves.

 

[Andycoleno9]

To be fair, 'there is always a mistake in him' is the perfect comment after a game in which he played well EXCEPT for making a pretty bad mistake.

But that is just wrong. He is not Smalling and Jones who "have mistake in them". He rarely makes mistakes. Can you all who think that, list all those mistakes that he had? At least 10 because he does that every game, right? I bet that AWB and Harry make them more. But still i would not any of our back four label like defenders with mistakes in them. Victor had some flawless performances but one mistake and it is all history and he becomes shit.
I don't rate Harry Maguire and AWB much but that doesn't stop me to recognise how our back 4 is doing great this season.

This agenda towards Victor is ridiculous and maybe biggest agenda towards one player on this forum.

 

[Andycoleno9]

The WBA goal still angers me to a very high degree, the fact that a bunch of mouth breathers are still calling that a Lindelof error angers me more.

Exactly. " It is clear foul. Oh wait, it is Victor. It is on him because he is too soft". In other words; clear foul if it is any other player but in Vic's case, it is on him.

 

[bsCallout]

But that is just wrong. He is not Smalling and Jones who "have mistake in them". He rarely makes mistakes. Can you all who think that, list all those mistakes that he had? At least 10 because he does that every game, right? I bet that AWB and Harry make them more. But still i would not any of our back four label like defenders with mistakes in them. Victor had some flawless performances but one mistake and it is all history and he becomes shit.
I don't rate Harry Maguire and AWB much but that doesn't stop me to recognise how our back 4 is doing great this season.

This agenda towards Victor is ridiculous and maybe biggest agenda towards one player on this forum.

Don't worry I already know from your history you love Victor and hate Harry.

 

[Idxomer]

The goal Cavani scored with his beautiful header. Now when we scored, we didn’t even consider it was a defence mistake. But if we had conceded it... ?

Well, Dier is shit and probably worse than any center-back we have at the club, Cavani played around him all day long.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Don't worry I already know from your history you love Victor and hate Harry.

So not rating a player is hate? I don't rate him but i am perfectly happy how our defence looks like this season. We could have spent that money better but always when i talk about Harry i say that he is a good/solid defender.

 

[Adam-Utd]

@A-man

You understand it is a mistake though right?

Obviously some goals just can't be stopped, but unforced errors are the bigger issue.

I've been very happy with Lindelof recently, somebody's obviously had a chat with him or he's realised himself he's being too nice on the pitch, he's been playing with a lot more aggression lately and it shows massively. It's nice to see that for most of us who criticised him in this aspect are being proved correct.

Anyway, as long as it's only 1 mistake every 15 matches or so I think we can all accept this happens.

 

[Raven]

it's because of your defensiveness. I didn't need an arguement it wasn't my debate.

What stats back you up?

According to FBref he makes 0.02 errors per 90 which means that he makes an error once in every 50 games and puts him in the 69th percentile, certainly not someone is classify as a player that "always has a mistake in him".

Again according to FBref, Lindelof loses 1.02 headers per game, which lands him in the 87th percentile and has a completion rate of 70% which puts him in the 78th percentile. He doesn't attempt, or complete headers at a particularly high rate, completing 2.39 headers per 90 where he's only in the 42 percentile. Whilst he's not extraordinary in the air, he's certainly decent and the arguments about his lack of aerial ability is greatly exaggerated, especially when it is his partner who is instructed to deal with most of the aerial threats we face.

As I've said many times, his strengths lie in different areas, such as positioning, reading of the game and passing but his supposed weaknesses are areas that he's adequate. Like I've said, I think a CB signing is a priority so I'm not entirely sure why you think I'm being defensive. I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of one of our players but people keep derailing any decent discussions buy parroting statements that are demonstrably false.

Here is the link to his page on FBref if you want to check out his stats for yourself.
https://fbref.com/en/players/f5deef4c/scout/365_euro/Victor-Lindelof-Scouting-Report

 

[A-man]

Well, Dier is shit and probably worse than any center-back we have at the club, Cavani played around him all day long.

You can do the same exercise for any goal we have scored. Shaws goal vs City. What a s mistake prone defence. PSG, even worse. Etc.

@A-man

You understand it is a mistake though right?

Obviously some goals just can't be stopped, but unforced errors are the bigger issue.

I've been very happy with Lindelof recently, somebody's obviously had a chat with him or he's realised himself he's being too nice on the pitch, he's been playing with a lot more aggression lately and it shows massively. It's nice to see that for most of us who criticised him in this aspect are being proved correct.

Anyway, as long as it's only 1 mistake every 15 matches or so I think we can all accept this happens.

I’m not sure what you replied to? If I understand it was a mistake? Is there a certain post you refer to, sorry I’m a bit lost regarding the context.

Edit: ok, now I understand what you mean. I wasn’t referring to one match or goal, but to our team at the moment. We have a very strong defence which I think which is not easily upgraded other than depth. If you look at goals other teams concede, and go through them over and over in absurdum like we do here at the Caf, we will end up in a position where every CB looks prone to make mistakes.

 

[bsCallout]

According to FBref he makes 0.02 errors per 90 which means that he makes an error once in every 50 games and puts him in the 69th percentile, certainly not someone is classify as a player that "always has a mistake in him".

Again according to FBref, Lindelof loses 1.02 headers per game, which lands him in the 87th percentile and has a completion rate of 70% which puts him in the 78th percentile. He doesn't attempt, or complete headers at a particularly high rate, completing 2.39 headers per 90 where he's only in the 42 percentile. Whilst he's not extraordinary in the air, he's certainly decent and the arguments about his lack of aerial ability is greatly exaggerated, especially when it is his partner who is instructed to deal with most of the aerial threats we face.

As I've said many times, his strengths lie in different areas, such as positioning, reading of the game and passing but his supposed weaknesses are areas that he's adequate. Like I've said, I think a CB signing is a priority so I'm not entirely sure why you think I'm being defensive. I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of one of our players but people keep derailing any decent discussions buy parroting statements that are demonstrably false.

Here is the link to his page on FBref if you want to check out his stats for yourself.
https://fbref.com/en/players/f5deef4c/scout/365_euro/Victor-Lindelof-Scouting-Report

To be honest those stats tells both sides of the story, he's not bad in the air but he doesn't go for many because he's not good in the air. Made worse by the fact our RB isn't much good at them either. Lindelof would lose physical duels, even for high balls. It's an obvious weakness in his game.

His problem is he isn't so strong in other areas that he seems irreplaceable. Harry is so strong in some areas that his lack of acceleration can be sort of ignored.

I quite like him and he's getting better but he needs to.

I don't actually think we need a new CB with Henderson as our GK, if we get a better CDM, which I would prefer. Unlike many, I think our CB pair could win us the league.

You did come across very defensive though

 

[A-man]

I don't actually think we need a new CB with Henderson as our GK, if we get a better CDM, which I would prefer. Unlike many, I think our CB pair could win us the league.

I think we need one more CB, especially if Tuanzebe and Bailly leave, but also if they stay. Doesn’t need to walk straight in to the starting xi but we need a backup.

I don’t understand people who claim we can never win the league with this CB pair. We are, with luck, 7 points behind City. Do people really not think we could have squeezed out a few more points if we had a top striker, a top winger and a top DM?

 

[Poborsky's hair]

Starting to think this is Vic's account.

I have no agenda against the guy, he has been at the club four years and I have seen enough to form the opinion that he is not a good enough defender that Man Utd can rely on him in challenging for major trophies. I have said nothing outlandish. You ignore my points and go on the offence though. I made the point that no matter how good he's playing that he can always be overly casual (Tottenham) or out muscled (West Brom) resulting in a goal. And this is true of him as an individual. I also asked what his strengths were as a centre-back? Over the four years we've watched him I think his best attribute is probably his passing. I don't believe he is a great tackler or great in the air, call me old fashioned but I think your centre-back needs to be strong in these areas in the Premier League. Centre-backs remains high on the list of priorities. And no, I don't have the time to finecomb through all of Man Utd's games this season to point out Lindelof mistakes. Everything I have said is completely reasonable.

Don´t you waste time mate, I am sure his whole family is here advocating him A-man included - probably his dad. Or maybe it´s just a Swedish thing to be so patriotic who knows. After all after Zlatan excluded they barely had a player in a top club since Larson or Ljunberg, so they might be a bit desperate..

We know Vic is not good enough after 4 long years of so many costly mistakes, also when he doesn´t shouldn´t be considered as great performance like I can read here sometimes. We need a simply tier higher. Looking at the premier league there is a lot of players more talented than him now. No idea why we end up with him but sometimes it´s like that with scouting, you will neverknow when you don´t try that player. Hardly we have enough money like City to buy three defenders every year for the money they do and very rarely we spend as much money on a guaranteed quality likefor Maguire.

Let´s hope we have a budget dedicated for this spot. Then people will see a huge difference like they see know with 34 year old proper no9 Cavani at the tip.

 

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To be honest those stats tells both sides of the story, he's not bad in the air but he doesn't go for many because he's not good in the air. Made worse by the fact our RB isn't much good at them either. Lindelof would lose physical duels, even for high balls. It's an obvious weakness in his game.

His problem is he isn't so strong in other areas that he seems irreplaceable. Harry is so strong in some areas that his lack of acceleration can be sort of ignored.

I quite like him and he's getting better but he needs to.

I don't actually think we need a new CB with Henderson as our GK, if we get a better CDM, which I would prefer. Unlike many, I think our CB pair could win us the league.

You did come across very defensive though

Not one person in this thread has called him irreplaceable. What people are saying is that he's a good reliable CB who doesn't make many mistakes. When I see blatant falsehoods like "he's always got a mistake in him" then I'm going to call it out for the bullshit it is. When people call him shite in the air, I'll call that out for the bullshit it is. His weaknesses are still passable because of his reading of the game and composure which are very useful next to someone as gungho as Harry.

The CB I want brought in is because we've been relying on an injured Lindelof too much this season, we need depth in that position. Even if we can get someone around the same level as Lindelof/Maguire, who isn't made of glass, I'd be delighted.

 

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I think a CB is a priority signing.

You said Lindelof always has a mistake in him, you haven't backed that statement up whatsoever.

Why does have that has to be backed? In four seasons he made twice as many mistakes as Vidic, Ferdinand in their entire career for us. Why and again why anyone has to back something up when it´s so obvious?

 

[Raven]

Why does have that has to be backed? In four seasons he made twice as many mistakes as Vidic, Ferdinand in their entire career for us. Why and again why anyone has to back something up when it´s so obvious?

Why does it have to be backed? Are you fecking serious? If you make a statement, you can't expect people to take it as the truth when you offer up no supporting evidence. I have provided evidence that he is not error prone, would you care to offer your take?