Genuinely would be intrigued to see them against a top team. I like the look of them with Henderson behind.
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Genuinely would be intrigued to see them against a top team. I like the look of them with Henderson behind.
What a leap that was !!!
Unlucky shit happens
Unlucky shit happens
There's not a defender on earth who would try to play someone offside or hold back to stay in line with the other CB when the ball is that low in the box, nor would anyone suggest that it would be the right thing to do. The attacker is roughly in line with the ball when the pass is made so even if Lindelöf would be above him he still might be onside, and that's not something you gamble on as a defender.
So no his position is not wrong, it's just you who are desperate to find something negative about any defender who isn't named Smalling.
You lift your knees under you. The idea is that you get as high as possible, not your knee getting as high as possible and being the thing you lead your momentum with. That is a recipe for concussions
How many of these are with flying knees?
And when jumping forwards at speed, your knees can easily follow that trajectory. Not uncommon.
Follow not lead. You'll see Vidic is going head first with all of them and his knees almost always right underneath himself. And I'm not saying Vidic has never accidently kneed someone, but theres a reason why none of the goals in Vidic's united career which are shown in that video has that. Because if and when he ever did that it was given as a foul. When he didnt and contacted the ball it was a goal
There's a lot to compliment each other there. Against the most physical of teams there would be a few question marks but there's promise.
Who would have thought? Put a more mobile CB next to either Maguire or Lindelof and they both look a lot better than when paired together.
Also, is it me or does Henderson actually have a calming effect on our defense. Every time I've seen him play, our defenders look more assured. The first time I was it was in the Brighton and Hove game( where Lindelof was paired with Axel) and I remember thinking that I've never seen our CBs look so assured in years.
Also, is it me or does Henderson actually have a calming effect on our defense. Every time I've seen him play, our defenders look more assured. The first time I was it was in the Brighton and Hove game( where Lindelof was paired with Axel) and I remember thinking that I've never seen our CBs look so assured in years.
Looking though Ramos, he had quite a few with his knees first. My point is that it’s not unnatural, and had the defender challenged for the ball, it would have been a nothing situation.
Well he didnt leap to save himself from a flying knee, so its clearly a foul
Yes if the defender leaps the knees would be less dangerous but still probably a foul as they go into the player before he even has a chance to make contact with the ball.
Fair enough. I don’t think we necessarily disagree. Had it been the other way around, I’d probably be fuming, screaming for a red, but at the same time asking why the hell our defender was star gazing.Well he didnt leap to save himself from a flying knee, so its clearly a foul
Yes if the defender leaps the knees would be less dangerous but still probably a foul as they go into the player before he even has a chance to make contact with the ball.
Could be worth a try against the Chevs.
See I'd be saying the exact same thing, regardless of which team or player it applies to because thats the approach I like to take. Not overly defending players, nor overly going after players. Trying to be balanced as hard as it can be and then getting flack by the extreme posters on both sides. For me its a foul but absolutely accidental whether our player does it or their player does it. But I dont think I'd be insisting it was a red card if it happened to us, and likewise I think its a foul and im not saying Lindelof should have been off. But I am saying its dagerous because... Lets be real, theres discussion that heading is dangerous because concussions are dangerous. This is much more dangerous than just a normal, completely innocent attempted header with you leading with your head.
Absolutely spot on, I don't get the jitters so much when Henderson and Bailly play.
Lindelof had one of his best games tonight, and it's no surprise as he was paired with a pacy CB, so he was more confident when pushing slightly higher up the pitch as he knew Bailly would cover him.
Surely it's not rocket science to understand that with pace at the back, and a more assertive keeper, the whole defence seems calmer.
I call him a pussy and the next game he turns into a psychopath
he must be reading these. It’s you isn’t it @A-man
he must be reading these. It’s you isn’t it @A-man
Yeah he went from one extreme to the other
Not having Maguire beside him helped him in defense.
Having Bailly turned him into a killer.
Having Bailly turned him into a killer.
Think Lindelof and Bailly showed that even if Maguire might be the best CB, he is not always needed. Against teams like this, who play fast on the ground, Lindelof and Bailly might can be a good choice. There’s been a lot of talk about who completes Harry best, but it was some time since I saw two United CBs play in so much harmony with each other as they did tonight.
The clearance at 14:00 was a beauty, is it possible to watch it again with help from you @GifLord ?
But even if the king fu knee was pushing it too far, I thought he played more physical football today.
The clearance at 14:00 was a beauty, is it possible to watch it again with help from you @GifLord ?
Haha absolutely
But even if the king fu knee was pushing it too far, I thought he played more physical football today.
When Maguire plays, he has the role as the aggressive CB and Lindelof always become the covering CB (and more passive). He leaves most clearing aerials for Maguire who is trying to win headers all over the place, far from his area. That’s how he knocked Bailly as example.
That means he leaves space behind him sometimes and we have conceded chances in that space.
With Bailly and Lindelof this duty is shared and tonight it looked very balanced imo, and they never left any openings.
Made a great tackle in the first half to stop a tap in. A few silly tackles and the flying knee was just insane but a better game overall.
He has to go for that ball. He fouled him probably with his high knee. But the main reason why Axel got to the ball was because also of Lindelof jumping. I thought he had a very good game and he knows that Bailly is there to cover for him with his pace and unlike with Maguire, he does not need to worry about a high line. Yes it was against poor opposition but he headed well defensively and covered well in defence.
Exactly and with the Giflord's clip you can see that he did what was the right thing. If Lindelof did not do it, the attacker is going to get to the ball first. You simply do not try to play offside in your own 6 yard box like that.
Tonight was a glimpse of why even though Maguire might be the better defender individually, I still prefer Lindelof. He's combined very well with Tuanzebe and now Bailly this season, with the defense looking solid each time.
I reckon Lindelof and Bailly can be quite a good pairing, especially in Europe.
I reckon Lindelof and Bailly can be quite a good pairing, especially in Europe.
For everyone that is saying it's a foul because he doesn't get anywhere near the ball, what about this one, Evans on Drogba?
EDIT: Sorry for bad quality
EDIT: Sorry for bad quality
Victor 'Gamebred' Lindelof
we have var now mate
If this was happened to Neymar he would have died there and then
...and magically rised up if Evans got a red card
When there is an airial ball, and one player doesn’t go for the ball but moves in for a collision, it is a foul against him, and might even be a yellow for dangerous play. The player who is airborn has no way of changing direction or keeping balance. This was a cross from a corner, Lindelöf goes up for the ball as you should, and is chanceless when Bautista comes walking blindfolded into him, neither looking for the ball or other players. If Lindelöf doesn’t try to cover himself, he will be the one taking a somersault two meters up, possibly landing on his neck.
There has been a tendency of late for referees to ignore the rules regarding this and award freekicks for those who ‘look more victimized’. But it’s bad refereeing, and sets a dangerous precedent.
Good game from the back three (Henderson - Bailly - Lindelöf). Good to have alternatives.
That's exactly what Drogba hoped would happen. But the red card never came. So he got up eventually
So funny how this guy can struggle in the air then jump like that. Unfortunate.
Yeah, thought he was very good yesterday. Confident.
That's what I was getting at. I see why the ref gave the yellow and foul based on the monitor
But it's a corner lindelof challenges and suddenly the defender doesn't so he has less than a second to change his body shape
It was a great leap and a shame he missed the ball as well as ended up fouling the guy, but that defender on their team didn't plan this to not jump, he was just lucky
I know it's a minor difference but I was watching an old Lindelof video of his time as a Benfica player and he seems to have occupied the LCB spot much more than the RCB. I started wondering if he has a preference of playing there.
It's only a slight difference but I can see how it effects a player's angles they like to work at for things like slide tackles. I started wondering if he is better as a LCB a couple days back and then having seen him in yesterday's performance - he did look a bit better there too.
It's only a slight difference but I can see how it effects a player's angles they like to work at for things like slide tackles. I started wondering if he is better as a LCB a couple days back and then having seen him in yesterday's performance - he did look a bit better there too.
Solid dad jokeFirst of all, the interception in the first half that he pulled off, was pure world class and football porn in the likeness of a beautiful goal. 99% of all defenders would have scored an own goal or decided to not intercept because of the risk.
He and Bailly seems to work well together.
The knee to the face was clear red for me. If you make a sliding tackle and you are nowhere near the ball and take out a player in a reckless manner you get a red, I don't see how this is different.
The Sociedad player did the correct thing by following the balls path, without jumping, since it was not possible to jump high enough to head it away and he had to be on his toes to clear a second situation.
He and Bailly seems to work well together.
The knee to the face was clear red for me. If you make a sliding tackle and you are nowhere near the ball and take out a player in a reckless manner you get a red, I don't see how this is different.
The Sociedad player did the correct thing by following the balls path, without jumping, since it was not possible to jump high enough to head it away and he had to be on his toes to clear a second situation.
He was excellent in defense, but his shit heading or aerial play was once again on show in attacking corners. Robbed Tuanzebe of a goal, and I also think there was another instance where he jumped very high but was nowhere near the goal therefor causing nothing useful.
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