I was surprised when Alex stepped forward before him. No one should never ever call him ice man again
But for the goal. Shaw needs to share the blame for that. Lost the main scorer way to easy
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I was surprised when Alex stepped forward before him. No one should never ever call him ice man again
But for the goal. Shaw needs to share the blame for that. Lost the main scorer way to easy
Ole likes him and to fair he’s been good this season but lost his form when we secured the top -4. We lost today, he could have done much better for the goal, and our attacking players should have scored some goals as well.
yeah not commenting on his 130th defensive mistakes here but yeah incredible really. Tuanzebe having a go before him. Such a pussy, really punchable guy. Last time I hated a united player this much must have been di Maria. Useless piece of shite, get out of the club please. YOu can see him dropping to Turkey or midtable Italy after we get rid easily, yet Ole's tupid lack of judgement gives him so much gametime, although just thanks to his fitness which is his only real asset.
Absolute trash & I’ve never rated him. Not even good enough for bench, get rid asap.
Because Maguire is nailed on starter and by all accounts we are looking for a partner for him.
Do you not see the similarity of what happened between this one and the Sevilla last year?
He doesn't go toward the ball, he chose to be ball watching. He's too reactive, not proactive enough. If he does this very rarely, you can expect something similar won't happen too often but the issue is that he does this lot of time and it's a clear his habit. A good striker always about moving around and finding space, if defender doesn't attack the ball first then these strikers or players who are good with their movement and finding space will score. That was his area to defend and that was his ball to clear.
I see everything. But I've also understood quite early that you can't expect a donkey to win a horse race.
Too much malakia.
This donkey needs put out to pasture
He's a Manchester United regular centre back, he is supposed to be playing like a proper one.
We will never gonna win a trophy with him unfortunately. These strikers always lurking to find space to score goals and if we have a CB who doesn't attack the ball first then we will always conceded.He’ll be here longer than Stam was if he continues next season if I’m correct. 5 seasons is enough! Please replace!
Please get rid. He's a weakling.
Yes. Which is sad. I'm not defending him. On the contrary, I am saying the exact same thing you are, just not blaming him. I can't blame a man for being unable to perform what he is genuinely and intrinsically incapable of doing.He's a Manchester United regular centre back.
He's just a very, very lucky dude who won the lottery and he keeps winning it despite not deserving it.
17/45 clean sheets
He is a centre back and should be attacking the ball first. That's why I keep replying to you to remind you why he is to blamed for the goal.
Wet and melts at room temperature?
Remember when other posters were saying how he's a better defender than Maguire and that we're over criticising him?
Feck off. He's massively protected by an aerially, physical dominant centre back in Maguire, two combatative midfielders in McFred and then has AWB locking down the entire right flank.
His biggest contribution is being positionally sound, making routine blocks and back peddling all the way to his penalty box, letting others take on the responsibility. At his best, he's make a decent contribution in being an effective player for us. In his normal and consistent form, he's just a placeholder on the pitch. Absolute weakest link in defence for me and arguably the whole team depending on the personnel.
For someone, who's so highly rated by his fans, did he look close to being the best defender on the pitch or was a leader for us? Someone said it best, we win 10-0, he will play the same, we lose 10-0, he will still play the same. There's no stepping up or real ability other than being fit and not being shit. My faith in his 'performance' is about as much as I trust De Gea nowadays. It's almost dialling it in, 'dead behind the eyes', like water off a duck's back type of mentality.
Him taking a penalty after Tuanzebe speaks volumes.
Feck off. He's massively protected by an aerially, physical dominant centre back in Maguire, two combatative midfielders in McFred and then has AWB locking down the entire right flank.
His biggest contribution is being positionally sound, making routine blocks and back peddling all the way to his penalty box, letting others take on the responsibility. At his best, he's make a decent contribution in being an effective player for us. In his normal and consistent form, he's just a placeholder on the pitch. Absolute weakest link in defence for me and arguably the whole team depending on the personnel.
For someone, who's so highly rated by his fans, did he look close to being the best defender on the pitch or was a leader for us? Someone said it best, we win 10-0, he will play the same, we lose 10-0, he will still play the same. There's no stepping up or real ability other than being fit and not being shit. My faith in his 'performance' is about as much as I trust De Gea nowadays. It's almost dialling it in, 'dead behind the eyes', like water off a duck's back type of mentality.
Him taking a penalty after Tuanzebe speaks volumes.
Yes, yes, I agree with you entirely. The ball was actually his to lose. The trajectory was in his path. He messed up.
What I'm saying is that he can't because he doesn't have the ability to do it. He just has no talent.
Agree with you here. He's been crap since Maguire got injured and while together I think they're fine - you are free to dispute this of course - he's becoming a liability without a protector.
Some things tonight just went straight through him. Good pen though.
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I don't think you need talent for that.
As far as I understand it, we mark zonally so Shaw shouldn't be following him I think
It's the pit falls off zonal making... The space between Bailly and Lindelöf was too big, and Lindelöf was slow to take off and so couldn't defend his zone effectively.
His aversion to defending as a CB requires some talent
The thing I really noticed tonight was the lack of conviction to move the ball forward. This guy should be playing for Arsenal not United.
Simple enough. Got to go
This was my read too.
If people want to blame Lindelof then that's fine but to be perfectly honest I could see us conceding that goal with any combination of our CBs on the pitch. It's not like it's an isolated incident, we're consistently poor on set-pieces.
That one pass to Cavani was the only good thing he did during the game. Shouldn't be starting for us next season tbh, a constant 6/10 defender but not much else.
Was Stam not here for 3 season? 3 titles?
Not good enough.
Decent pen though, was convinced he was missing.
Decent pen though, was convinced he was missing.
Yeah I'd go along with that, the only difference if Maguire was on the pitch instead was that he might have tried to take a chance and haul Moreno down.
If Jones had been on the pitch... Own goal 100%
How long has he been here now? 4/5 seasons? When is anyone gonna finally own up to the transfer feck up and get rid?
Weak as piss. Can't trust a grown man that can't grow a single beard hair anyway.
Just go. Like now. Please.
If he can’t even track the flight of the ball, how the hell is he even going to track an opposition player. He’s clearly out of his depth at this level, just too many schoolboy errors from him.
Without getting into any more details about his performance today (and the last couple of seasons in-fact), i have zero confidence in Lindelof when he’s defending and i hope we either sell him or find a new CB to partner Maguire so that we don’t ever have to depend on him to do a job for us of any kind.
Without getting into any more details about his performance today (and the last couple of seasons in-fact), i have zero confidence in Lindelof when he’s defending and i hope we either sell him or find a new CB to partner Maguire so that we don’t ever have to depend on him to do a job for us of any kind.
Too weak, has too go
I know emotions are high right now and I'm personally pinning tonight's result on the owners but this guy could genuinely be the worst centre-back we've had. He genuinely cannot defend. If I didn't laugh I'd cry.
Useless since the day he walked in to the club. The only think more shocking than his presence here is that someone like Mourinho brought him in in the first place.
Where's that guy that said he's very good because of our defensive record?
This is where imo you have the wrong angle on this. It's not about whether he is 'fine' when paired with Maguire, it's about whether he is actually good on his own or brings a lot to the table in that partnership. First off, why does he need a protector? Secondly, what does he do that is so astounding that he should judged so highly that we can forgive him not being without Maguire? He's been a part of our good defensive record and he's contributed no doubt but the amount of times people elevate his frankly very average performances like he's Rio to Maguire's Vidic is batshit insane.
It's infuriating because the super fans are so blinded by their bias they will use stats and say 'Lindelof is good, therefore we don't need to upgrade on him' but then will freely lay blame on our defensive midfielders or attackers not scoring enough goals when we're literally one of the highest scoring teams in the league. Yet no one is saying 'we don't need a striker/attacker'.
He is. No questions about it.
Weak, passive, aerially worse than a puppy. Never confident with him in the lineup.
I like him, but my God watching the goal again, his defending in it was fecking atrocious. Gerard completely dominated him.
I still think he's overall a very good defender though, but this moment was fecking crap.
I still think he's overall a very good defender though, but this moment was fecking crap.
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