So you weren’t watching Emerson smack the inside of the post after lindelofs poor attempt at a header?
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Do people here expect us to concede 0 shots ever? I know I'm banging on a bit now, but people need to wake up a bit.
That was nowhere near his fault. Should AWB’s positioning not have been better? What’s he doing that close to Victor in the first place and leaving Emerson in acres of space behind him to have the attempt at goal. This is in no way a dig at saying he was awful (I voted AWB as my MOTM yesterday as thought he was terrific) but his positioning could have been better there.
Evidence is below at minute 1:27
I don’t disagree on AWBs positioning but if you look at it, lindelof totally mistimes his jump which causes AWB to then miss it as well as his view is obscured. He was sucked in by ball watching rather than covering behind.
It’s bad basic defending by a CB. It was a nothing ball in and should be easily headed away all day long.
I’m prepared to say it’s first game and there did seem like some sort of chemistry was there with maguire. However he needs to iron out the mistakes
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It's peak caf. It's been like this for years. Every shot towards goal is dissected and poured over for a week.
The mistake in this case is from both Lindelof and AWB. Lindelof mistimes things and AWB is attracted to the ball and loses his man/ doesn't position himself to clear the danger behind him.
It should make it quite obvious that there is more to defending than you give credit for.
Exactly. I've seen Ramos being caught out more times than I can count, yet there's a thread on this forum claiming him to be one of the best CB's of all time. Just to be clear, I rate Ramos incredibly highly, and I'm not comparing Lindelof to him, but I'm saying that nobody stops everything.
What it actually shows is that Morgan defends, just like Maguire. Lindelof lets his partner do the defending.
Yeah but it’s generally basic errors that we’re seeing with Lindelöf so far. No one is perfect of course but he’s still got a way to go before he becomes irreplaceable in the United defence
Must be tough to watch football and think this analysis isn't completely worthless.
Why are some people after Lindelof now? He had a good game. This was the first time, this defence was playing together and make it 5 as you have to include DeGea too. So what that they made a mistake? They will make mistakes in the future too. Any goal is conceded because the conceding side makes a mistake.
It was clearly Wan-Bissaka's fault, he left his zone to go where the ball is. If he kept his positioning, you won't be saying this
Talk about passing the buck. Lindelof tried a header and jumped under the ball. If that cross had gone to the other side of the box you can be damn sure it would have been met firmly by a big square head
People are just saying that some are over stating his performance, some said he was motm for example. Others have said he was good but still had 2 big errors in his performance which led to Chelsea smacking the post and DeGea saving his butt on the other
I think Lindelof had a very good game and think people are going overboard about letting two shots on target happen. But that was Lindelof's "fault" he misjudged the cross and missed the header. Wan Bissaka had to try react very quickly after Lindelof missed it. It was just a mistake and they didn't score, it'll be worked on.
Which one is the one where De Gea saved his butt? Where he blocked the far post so Barkley had to shoot at the first post where you would expect De Gea to save? Would you rather he threw himself at it causing a deflection like the Chelsea defender did for James goal? Lindelof has a very risk-averse style of defending, which of course is fair enough to not like but it's not a big error. Personally I would like him to be a bit more aggressive in those kind of situations, but rather his style than a Bailly style slide tackle risking a penalty/deflection.
Funny that you haven't made 10 posts about AWB's error for Emerson's shot. The only post you did was to correct that it was actually Lindelof and not Maguire that missed the header. I wonder why... might be an agenda hidden there somewhere.
Thought he was top notch on Sunday and really don't understand any criticism coming his way. People who are expecting complete perfection in a game of football are fecking clueless 
He was even pointed out on a MotD2 highlight package for having a top game.
He was even pointed out on a MotD2 highlight package for having a top game.I’m surprised no one has really mentioned this. I mean out of the back 4 the only one to make a really big error was Bissaka and it was that. Not sure why he was where he was. Lindelof did have one kinda screw up actually where he hooked it from the touch line back in to the centre and it landed at a Chelsea players feet. Not sure what he was thinking.
Emerson was 100% AWB and I was extremely shocked and worried about his defensive awareness from there. It was so blatant I couldn't believe he left Emerson in open space like that.
Lindelof did well to show Barkley to near post but I didn't think he was tight enough to stop a shot getting away. Aside from that I think Lindelof was great.
He wasnt better than Maguire. Good, third best in our back 4 ahead of Shaw, he needs to fight for his place this season IMO. I like it. His biggest competitor is Axel. If he keeps improving, he doesnt have to worry
Chelsea did not create a single clear cut opportunity. That should tell you all you need to know about how we defended.
Emerson hitting the post was.
Lindelof had a solid game and I'm sure will improve next to Maguire
The vultures will never be far away trust me waiting for him to make a mistake and then forensically examining why. Some people on her aren't happy when they are proven wrong. No doubt it will be all about Harry making him look better when in reality, he's been playing at this level for a while now. All the rhetoric about not being fast enough, being bullied and not winning headers, the stats say different. Lindelof' statue and demeanour, not the biggest a just of 6ft and build is slight but watch his against Troy D and Callum W, when people said he'd struggle and he didn't.
If you read my posts in this thread I’ve acknowledged that AWB got sucked into ball watching rather than covering his man. That doesn’t mean i can’t say that lindelof again made the most basic heading error. It’s his Achilles heel and he needs to eradicate it.
Agree. Especially since it was Barkley and not a quick dribbler he could definitely have been tighter.
It wasn't. It was a brilliant shot at a tight angle, but hitting the post in and of itself does not make it a clear cut chance. You wouldn't say if was a bad miss would you?
You could also, if you wish, say that Lindelof was incredibly skilled at positioning himself so Emerson failed to score despite a fantastic finish.
Not to mention Rondon and he and Jones kept a clean sheet against Kane as well.
How is that Tammy shot on the post not a clearcut?
Found this quote from his Wikipedia:
On the 11th of August 2019, Harry Maguire debuted alongside Victor against Chelsea. This partnership was the birth of the new Maldini and Nesta, Victor is arguably the 2nd greatest centre back in the Premier League behind Tyrone Mings.
On the 11th of August 2019, Harry Maguire debuted alongside Victor against Chelsea. This partnership was the birth of the new Maldini and Nesta, Victor is arguably the 2nd greatest centre back in the Premier League behind Tyrone Mings.
Now people are even blaming Lindelof for the Abahams shot? Why not blame him for raining too? There were three United players near Abraham. Lindelof was away from him but how on Earth did those three players including Rashford, Periera and Scott let Tammy turn. Lindelof to his credit tried to block his path.
As for the Barkely effort it was the best he could do to make the angle bad. You would expect DeGea to save those shots. The Emerson was clearly a fault of AWB. He simply got caught ball watching. I do not blame as this was the first time this defence played together. Now if AWB was in the right place he was to be he would have easily cleared the ball.
As for the Barkely effort it was the best he could do to make the angle bad. You would expect DeGea to save those shots. The Emerson was clearly a fault of AWB. He simply got caught ball watching. I do not blame as this was the first time this defence played together. Now if AWB was in the right place he was to be he would have easily cleared the ball.
While the whole thing definitely started with AWB ball-watching rather than tracking his player, Lindelöf did mistime header, so he wasn't completely blameless. I like him, but he definitely needs to work on his aerial game.
Maguire also mistimed a header, but I don't think I've seen a single post about this, while everyone is picking on Lindelöf for a single missed header. Nuts.
Yeah, I'm just saying that in that particular situation, AWB and Lindelöf both fecked up.
I certainly don’t remember Maguire missing a routine header under absolute no pressure from opposition. Could you elaborate?
You've nailed it there and that bugs me a lot just like how Shaw 'shadows' his attacker and never gets close enough, always allowing space.
Lindelof also has this whattheactualfeck default hands behind the back action. He closes attackers down positioned like that, which means he's already lost half a yard. It's all very non-commital and premeditated, which I don't think his positioning or (lack of) physical ability can make up for. He needs to look at how Blind dealt with closing players and denying space; he's half the fecking size of him.
There was a period last year where Lindelof was going Smalling-lite 'beast' mode and smoothering the opposition, which was great but now he's a bit too tentative. Unfortunately that's been that's 'norm'.
I would like to see him succeed and build a good partnership with Macguire. I just have my reservations that he's the first choice; on paper he is because he's the other best ball playing centre back we have but defensively he's behind the others imo. It might be down to experience to be fair but I want to see some real leadership from him.
Among the back and front forth on individual errors, I find myself agreeing with a few posts here that find a middle ground when it comes to Lindelof. He's become a solid CB for us who is definitely got ball playing qualities (that can and should get better) that we needed. His defending is also much better than when he first arrived however I think he needs to be more dominant and stronger in the tackle, if he's really going to be a top defender. Currently he's probably a 7/10 defender who has his positives and weaknesses. I think the post above mine hits the nail on his head. He's a risk averse CB, which has its own merits but also demerits. For example, Smalling, whatever people say about him, is clearly better as far as pure defending goes. It's just that he's extremely poor on the ball.
But I'm harping too much on the negatives. He does also do many things well. His aggression and defending is much improved from earlier and he's starting to show his qualities on the ball. He played against Chelsea. Hope he continued to develop.
But I'm harping too much on the negatives. He does also do many things well. His aggression and defending is much improved from earlier and he's starting to show his qualities on the ball. He played against Chelsea. Hope he continued to develop.
I think it's a big mistake not partner Maguire and Tuanzebe.
Tuanzebe got the pace and physicality Lindelof lacks.
Tuanzebe got the pace and physicality Lindelof lacks.
Lindelof doesn't lack pace or physicality. Not seen him done for either last season and it's one of those myths that seem to stick on forums. He also wins most his headers too (which is the other one) but doesn't attack the ball like say Maguire or Smalling. He has his failings but people seem to be fixed on what he was like in his first season here but he's no where near the same player....
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