What should have he done?
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Guessing you will rage as much at your darling Jones for being out of position for the second goal and giving away the first?
Agree and Young was ball watching anyway and reacted late.....
Him and Smalling for the rest of the season please.
Big moment tonight for him. Loved it.
Big moment tonight for him. Loved it.
I think we have a player in him.
Clearly covering for the other CB going missing.... (and the DM not covering) he had 2 strikers to mark, he went to cover Barnes and the ball went to Wood
Jones went to cover the wing because Shaw was caught out. Shaw then came in to cover Jones and was on Barnes (?). Lindelof for no reason decided to abandon Woods leaving him wide open to mark the same man as Shaw. It isn't a 2v1 situation, its a 3v3 until Lindelof decides to feck off for no reason.
How you've came out of that blaming Jones is baffling. He is about the only player on that play doing the right thing.
He was literally LindelON for their second goal, but more than made up for it with a thrilling injury time equaliser.
Stuck to his man instead of running over to the one Shaw was already marking?
The other CB who did his job and covered the fullback? Who then came in to cover for Jones. He had 1 striker to mark because Shaw was marking the other. He went to cover Barnes for no reason leaving Wood wide open.
He wasn't out of position for the second, he was doing his job covering the fullback just as he is meant to. Andreas gave away the second, although Jones shouldn't have really put him in that position in the first place.
Typical response, Jones was on the pitch must be his fault.No, move broke down and Shaw was forward so Jones did the right thing and covered. Shaw did the right thing and tried to get back in and influence things. Lindelof saw a player goalside of Shaw so he picked him up. Ashley Young didnt respond correctly, making a movement away from the goal instead of instantly getting into the right position to take over Lindelof's man.
Mostly Ashley Young's bad reaction. Would have probably helped if his right winger, whoever that was at the time, had tracked back to pick up the guy at the back post. But Young still should do better.
No, move broke down and Shaw was forward so Jones did the right thing and covered. Shaw did the right thing and tried to get back in and influence things. Lindelof saw a player goalside of Shaw so he picked him up. Ashley Young didnt respond correctly, making a movement away from the goal instead of instantly getting into the right position to take over Lindelof's man.
Mostly Ashley Young's bad reaction. Would have probably helped if his right winger, whoever that was at the time, had tracked back to pick up the guy at the back post. But Young still should do better.
I'm not actually blaming Jones (the DM not covering) Lindelof ended up in this case with 2 players to cover which we agree on.
Young should certainly pick up Wood, but Matic (not sure where he was) should have been covering his CB also in that type of situation I would say
EDIT: Actually I don't even think you can blame Young either, since he also had another man he was watching. Seems like when Jones went out wide, our covering was compromised, and I will need to look at another replay to see where Matic was, because he should be the one covering Jones when he goes to cover Shaw IMO
Barnes was goal side of Shaw...
We lost the ball badly out on the left, and got attacked directly with players out of position. We defended badly collectively with players out of position dmc and lb being the main culprits. It happened quickly and our defenders did mess it up. But we were trying to score so our shape wasnt defensive at all.. These things happen.
No, move broke down and Shaw was forward so Jones did the right thing and covered. Shaw did the right thing and tried to get back in and influence things. Lindelof saw a player goalside of Shaw so he picked him up. Ashley Young didnt respond correctly, making a movement away from the goal instead of instantly getting into the right position to take over Lindelof's man.
Mostly Ashley Young's bad reaction. Would have probably helped if his right winger, whoever that was at the time, had tracked back to pick up the guy at the back post. But Young still should do better.
Okay maybe thats a fair point.
But I think it happens at a speed that Matic isnt made for. He's already taken himself out of it at the beginning somewhat jumping for the ball and losing. He isnt mobile enough to do much after that.
I do think with Shaw's speed he might have been okay without Lindelof taking over. He's just accelerating to get there when Lindelof takes over and then stops when he sees that his CB has taken over. But at the same time I dont think you can really blame Lindelof for not wanting to take a chance and taking responsibility as a goalside CB. Young just isnt on his wavelength
Yea, standing offside if Lindelof wasn't keeping everyone on. Yet another part of the play Lindelof completely fecked up. There wasn't a single pass on to put Barnes through that Shaw wouldn't have cut out anyway.
Hell of a finish in the end! Tight angle with his left. Not bad!
Seems harsh to be blaming him for the second. A different decision by him could have maybe prevented the goal but you could say that about several players there and it was just all a bit of a mess.
Seems harsh to be blaming him for the second. A different decision by him could have maybe prevented the goal but you could say that about several players there and it was just all a bit of a mess.
Playing next to Calamity Jones never helps but I thought he was fine tonight and grabbed what might be a vital goal when all the dust settles.
He needs a proper defensive partner with him. Looking forward to how he performs next season.
Looked great tonight. In a match where everyone struggled he was the only one that looked stable.
I got it completely wrong with this guy under Jose
Since ole's come onboard he's been terrific.
Since ole's come onboard he's been terrific.
Good effort again by Lindelof and it was well deserved that he had to make his first goal for MU. Without a doubt MOM today.
Literally can’t wait for Lindelof and Smalling. I’d even be half tempted to put Bailly at right back - at least he’s quick so he can get up and down the pitch. Can’t be any worse a crosser than Young!
Agreed, it's important to get the chemistry right here.
Wish there was a top-class English centre back coming through that we could get, ala Rio.
There was, and City got him first.
Hes such a classy player and looks to have control all the time. Sure there will be tougher tests, but give him a (talented) brute next to him and we are set with CB's
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Chuffed he finally got his goal. Wish it was the winner though!
I like him more and more, but MotM today? He was at fault for the second with the awful positioning that gifted a couple of yards of the offside line.
Played with heart and a calm composed head. I really like him. Think he can grow into a potential worldbeater and I never thought I would say that. However he still lacks a bit defensively. Should have started the game with Smalling beside him to shut up shop and not defended so low, we should not allow 2 goals from fecking Burnley. Rebounds from longballs play around and get the goal, it is what they do. He will learn from this though and he showed great heart to makes us believe in him.
Shaw wasn’t even goal side of Barnes, you can hardly call it marking.
He put in some good performances right before Old came in too. He was amazing against Juventus.
I'd blame Young more for that goal. Lindelof was with a man and Young could see the scorer free and needed to move infield.
I didnt watch either game due to work commitments but I heard he did well.
What I notice now is his eagerness to move the ball forward from deep.We didnt see that aspect in his game under Jose's tutelage.
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It's excellent that he scored, was in the right position and won a vital rebound, but bloody Heaton almost - almost - saved his rebound shot right after making his amazing save of the Sanchez' header. But a goal is a goal nonetheless, even if it was off Heaton. Our best player tonight alongside Pogba
The second goal was a complete disaster amongst the backline and with Burnley having equal numbers men forward to those defending, it was a toss up and the ball landed favorable for Burnley. Neither Shaw or Lindelof were goal side of their players, but again you get a little lost when recovering like that to move up. Just open at the back at that moment.
Similar scenario when Young shot instead of crossing into the area of 5 United players going into the box with only 3 Burnley defenders.
Similar scenario when Young shot instead of crossing into the area of 5 United players going into the box with only 3 Burnley defenders.
I have always said there is a great player in Victor. It is becoming more and more obvious.
The kid impresses again. Long may it continue. However, for it to continue we need an aerial dominant CB beside him. Please god let Smalling be fit next game.
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