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He could have gotten the ball when Mooy won it and it bounched 15 meters away.. His positioning there was attrocious to begin with.. If he would have pressed the ball the player would have had troubles or at least would have had to slow down. Instead he gave him a full speed run into the box.. Both Rojo and Bailly would have tackled that ball and I am quite sure Smalling would have recovered the ball..
Why didnt Jose put Blind on? Instead he had to move Smalling to the left to put this guy on the right, fecking with the shape even more than needed.. Blind isnt my favourite player by any means but he hasn't really done much wrong and is a much much better defender than Lindelöf.. Blind and Smalling have played together many times before and never looked this bad.. Also Blind is much better on the ball..
It is weird really because a manager like jose normally would care so much about the shape in defensive positions.
There were Davinson Sanchez and Aurier but we bought this man.
Even the stupid Aurier still know how to defend.
Perhaps his agent is Jose's friend.
Even the stupid Aurier still know how to defend.
Perhaps his agent is Jose's friend.
Yeah, I don't understand why we weren't in for him if what we were looking for was a young center back. He even had a great game against Rashford in the Europa final despite his poor distribution at times.
Lindelöf is a player who Mourinho claimed to have watched every weekend and was impressed with, let's hope he can get back to those standards of impressing Mourinho but it's really not looking great at the moment.
I never saw him play at Benfica but it's a bit early to be writing him off yet. Plenty of players have had bad starts but have gone on to do well.
He's a walking disaster area.
BS from Mourinho. The scouts watch the players every week. And it is Portuguese league for God sake. One of the weakest in Europe.
Only thing good about this fella is his girlfriend.
This is why I preferred Keane to come in as a rotational option - he’s not been great in a terrible Everton team as yet, but I feel he’d have been competent when called upon in this United team.
This is why I preferred Keane to come in as a rotational option - he’s not been great in a terrible Everton team as yet, but I feel he’d have been competent when called upon in this United team.
It's great that we will have Rojo back soon. Why not play Lindelof in the U23s in a few games and let him adjust to the pace and get his confidence back? I know it's not exactly PL level but it's better than not playing at all and watching only from the bench
"Vidic, Evra" should be banned from this thread, it is getting into a really ridiculous and repetitive argument.
i still see him having potential , his problem is he hesitate to defend and seems afraid to get on physical duel , which is mentality issue rather than anything, his attribute & trait isn't bad
unlike lingard whom i see has no chance to make it here , he has , so let's wait for him sorting out his mentality first
unlike lingard whom i see has no chance to make it here , he has , so let's wait for him sorting out his mentality first
Absolutely spot on, which is nuts when you think about it. A defender who doesn't like physical contact... It doesn't make sense and it makes even little sense when that defender plays in the PL. Whoever scouted him ought to be fired. I cannot believe my eyes when I read guys like Evra and Vidic being mentioned in this thread.
At the beginning they were off the pace but you never had this feeling that they were afraid to be physical.
I can't for the life of me understand why Lindelöf gets playing time ahead of Tuanzebe. He looked great everytime he's played. I feel like every time I've seen Lindelöf play he's been the culprit behind our conceded goals.
I was trying to be slightly ironic regarding the state of Liverpool's back four, but agreed, Lindelof looks well off the pace so far. I was reasonably pleased when United signed him, having seen him a few times at Benfica, I thought he looked like a typical Scandinavian CB, nothing flash ir fancy about him, just a good, solid defender but so far he looks like a complete bag of nerves. No composure, timid and he must be a nightmare to play alongside. A bit like Lovren, you almost expect him to make at least a couple of big mistakes each game.
Bad display, some poor decision making.
Whole team was bad, not just this guy.
Hasn't started well granted, but have to give him a bit of a chance given the money spent on him. Every defender will have a bad day. Every single one
Whole team was bad, not just this guy.
Hasn't started well granted, but have to give him a bit of a chance given the money spent on him. Every defender will have a bad day. Every single one
One man defenders like Stam and Rio, who can slot in and singlehandedly turn things around do not exist anymore. Bonucci is the best defender in the world yet he's struggling big time at Milan. Lindelof might or might not make it at United. That depends mostly on our ability to play him with a CB who play according to his strengths. Same thing can be said about Smalling, Bailly, Jones and co, whom, unlike Lindelof had been around for quite some time and has since settled down. We lack world class quality at the back.
First time you've seen him this season?
Settling in a new defense isn't easy. Better players had struggled big time in that same situation and that include Bonucci and Vidic.
This I agree with but with Lindelof it’s worrying how many basic body positioning errors he makes during play and his general defensive awareness is slow (maybe confidence). I hope these things improve but these are basics (body position) that should never really drop. Lindelof looks like a midfielder playing out of position in the defence.
But this wasnt an off day, his defending has been shambles since he has arrived. And he has never proved to be a star defensively either, he is a decent modern CB who is quality on the ball, but as I said before he even set foot at United, he is weak, slow, poor in the air, passive in defensive action. That has nothing to do with settling in a defence.
Not sure anyone has read the recent comments about Vidic from Scholes.
This is the thing that most miss. Vidic didn't show up, have difficulties and then come good. He worked really hard to fix things. Issue is that with Lindelof, it doesn't seem to be about physical attributes (easy to fix) but the skill and mentality of the defender. For every Vidic and Evra (coming good), there are the examples of Veron, Falcao, Djemba-Djemba, Kelberson and a load more that didn't. In fact, Vidic and Evra stand out because they're exceptions - and definitely not the rule. It's not about age either. A lot goes into making a great player. Right now, I'm worried we pulled a massive dud. I'd be ok if the issue was him getting bullied or pushed off - saying that this would be fixed over time and with work in the gym. It's the fact that the issues lie elsewhere that is so worrying.
This is the thing that most miss. Vidic didn't show up, have difficulties and then come good. He worked really hard to fix things. Issue is that with Lindelof, it doesn't seem to be about physical attributes (easy to fix) but the skill and mentality of the defender. For every Vidic and Evra (coming good), there are the examples of Veron, Falcao, Djemba-Djemba, Kelberson and a load more that didn't. In fact, Vidic and Evra stand out because they're exceptions - and definitely not the rule. It's not about age either. A lot goes into making a great player. Right now, I'm worried we pulled a massive dud. I'd be ok if the issue was him getting bullied or pushed off - saying that this would be fixed over time and with work in the gym. It's the fact that the issues lie elsewhere that is so worrying.
What I know is fact that there's absolutely no way to assess a player accurately so soon into his career here but clearly he's struggled with the transition from where he was to where he is now. This isn't unusually and we've seen it many, many times before.
That's not to say all is going to be ok and will work out as it's down to him how he responds. I've watched him loads before coming here and he's a modern CB that's really not easy to find as technically he's very good on the ball. His passing ability is high quality too. At present, he still learning to defend in a league that finds people out very quickly. Let's not forget he's still very young too.
That's not to say all is going to be ok and will work out as it's down to him how he responds. I've watched him loads before coming here and he's a modern CB that's really not easy to find as technically he's very good on the ball. His passing ability is high quality too. At present, he still learning to defend in a league that finds people out very quickly. Let's not forget he's still very young too.
You can't manufacture aggression and bravery in a gym though.
There's nothing wrong with Lindelofs physique. He just looks terrified.
clueless performance on Saturday. I hope he reads this thread. I will still give him the benefit of the doubt as I think he will eventually do well at United. Hopefully the criticism he gets for Saturday will be the kick up the arse he needs to get himself sorted and back to form
Absolutely. Plenty United players have had v tough first seasons, let alone a couple of games, and have developed into top, top players for us. Remember De Gea? Evra? Heinze? going back further..... Pallister, Andy Cole.. all had v v rough starts at United. Let us not judge the guy yet... it's those who have been there a while and are quite settled, our so-called 'attacking-threat-match-winners' (Lukaku and Rashford aside..) they are the one I think we should focus on.
Which is exactly what I said - his issues don't seem the type that need gym work. Gym work is easy. The other stuff will either take time...or not get fixed, sadly.
I think that you should stop criticize Lindelof for his poor display on Saturday. Yes of course he made a silly mistake, but he hasn’t be helped by Smalling during the game or by Mourinho since the beginning of the season. He was very good against Benfica and in the Champions League so far this season, but I think that Mourinho’s management with him was too cautious.
I mean we know that Jones was injured and probably won’t last long until a new one appears. He should have trust Lindelof against Liverpool in his 3 man defense or starting him straight. We saw straight when he came in that he was poor and not ready to play mentally. The guy hear since the beginning of the season that he wasn’t ready for the English game, but is thrown like this ?
I don’t defend him I just want to nuance the thread and his appreciation. Remember that every defender in this country has mistakes in them, Smalling, Jones, Bailly etc
So yes he was poor on Saturday, and I think the 3 lost points was not his only fault. Remember that we still had 60 mins to score and the likes of Mata, Mkhi, Martial, Herrera, Matic, Lingardinho were also very poor.
I mean we know that Jones was injured and probably won’t last long until a new one appears. He should have trust Lindelof against Liverpool in his 3 man defense or starting him straight. We saw straight when he came in that he was poor and not ready to play mentally. The guy hear since the beginning of the season that he wasn’t ready for the English game, but is thrown like this ?
I don’t defend him I just want to nuance the thread and his appreciation. Remember that every defender in this country has mistakes in them, Smalling, Jones, Bailly etc
So yes he was poor on Saturday, and I think the 3 lost points was not his only fault. Remember that we still had 60 mins to score and the likes of Mata, Mkhi, Martial, Herrera, Matic, Lingardinho were also very poor.
This is pretty much what I was going to put, so thanks for saving me the effort
.Lots of players have had tough starts to their PL careers, not just at United but for other teams too. I don't think we should be judging him too harshly so early. Unfortunately mistakes will happen and defenders/ goalkeepers will look more exposed than other positions for their errors. What we need to judge him on is how he responds, and if he becomes a repeat offender then we can start to ask questions.
The problem is not that he's poor in one game but that he has been consistently poor since he came to United. The man can't even do the basics like header a ball or position himself correctly. Lindelof is slow, weak and has poor positioning. He was poor in the preseason and has continued to be poor. Look at Davidson Sanchez slots straight into the Spurs team and basically shuts down the Real Madrid attackers and now look at Lindelof and his shocking inept performances for United. We simply couldn't have signed a worse centreback than Lindelof. The second goal was an absolute disgrace. I am not sure where he got the nickname the Iceman from as there is nothing cool calm and collected in any of his performances. Maybe we could try him as a midfielder since we are short of midfielders?
The state of this thread: a couple of tidy clean sheets in the Champions League, a couple of other average games, and an admittedly poor game in terrible conditions as a substitute, and people think they can tell everything about a player. The word "consistent" is being thrown around, as if you can judge a player's future career from less than 500 minutes.
How were either of the goals in any way the result of Smalling not helping him? Or Jose? He was barely under any real pressure and was not bullied or muscled off the ball. Just played crap - and these are not the only instances so far across pre-season and the season itself. Can't see how Jose can be blamed for being cautious with him or how any of this is at Smalling's door. Sorry, but a player should learn to cop it if he goofs.
Ummm. So, we know the player is not good enough and you'd want him thrown into a new formation in a big away game to our biggest rivals? Right. He wasn't "thrown like this". He had to step into the breach in a moment of crisis. I have a feeling this may not be repeated. Tuanzebe perhaps? As for being told about not being ready, isn't that exactly what we saw with Martial and Mkhi last season? Worked there...
Not all his fault - but this thread is about him. Go to the other threads and you will see how the others are being mauled too. Frankly though, Lindelof has been poor in every single game he's played. Has he played well in the CL? Can't say, can you? Not like we've been facing the likes of Real and Barca there. We've faced minnows (relatively) and he's had an easy ride. The worrying bit is that even the "solid" displays in the CL have seemingly had no impact on him. His defending and play has been woeful and it's NOT about pace or strength. He's just made terrible decisions and his positional sense also appears atrocious.
As others have pointed out, the norm is that a quality player slots in. He's not done so and is therefore rightly being called out.
Again, I'm struggling to find any problem in him that can be solved by playing a lot or giving him time to settle. His heading and cowardliness in challenges are a failure in basics if a defender doesn't have it, I doubt he'll ever get it.
Bailly made some silly mistakes last season but the potential was clear, he was brave and has no problem getting himself dirty to tackle or get a yellow card to prevent the opponent from reaching the penalty box. This guy is just a coward who lets the opponent runs in front of him while he's retreating to give him more space, combine this with his liability in any ball bouncing in the air and this will never be qualities for an EPL defender.
Playing against slow opponents like Benfica or Basel are his own level.
Rojo and Smalling were a little meh, too.
How many of our current defenders were better when they started? Even Valencia, who had 7 years of PL experience, had a shaky start to his rb career.
Have a little patience.
What about when De Gea started? He got over his mental issues, strengthened up and is now one of the best players in the world. Your first comment is ridiculous. He can improve his weaknesses. Its more mental than anything.
De Gea is very far away from Lindelof problems. His talent was clear during his Atletico days and most importantly he wasn't a coward.
Cowardliness isn't something you can improve over time. Not to mention his tackling and heading were a concern mentioned several times when we got him it wasn't a surprise. He was always described as a ball playing CB, not some physical defender who bullies everyone and tackle the hell out of any ball as Bailly for example.
And his terrible aerial liability is also a mental thing or what ?
We still crucifying this poor cnut in here?
They were all played out of position, and there is a difference between a little meh and shit.
I can't believe Jose Mourinho of all managers would spend so much money on a CB this poor.
It must just be that his nerves are shot from making the step up to Manchester United. Which is probably good from our point of view as that's much more likely to resolve itself over time than terminal shitness.
It must just be that his nerves are shot from making the step up to Manchester United. Which is probably good from our point of view as that's much more likely to resolve itself over time than terminal shitness.
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