Vicente moving...?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
For me we get Downing and have him learn from the master. Then we sign a cnetral midfield giant like De
Rossi or Essien and a real keeper then we will be quite perfect....
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Completely agree. Just not convinced by De Rossi having only seen him twice and haven't seen Essien at all so can't comment on him. Would have loved Gravesen as a short term fix but that's out the window.

More on the topic however, I would love to have Vicente if we are indeed after him and don't understand all the cries that we can't have both him and Giggs. How close were we to signing Robben? If Fergie felt he could accomodate Giggs and Robben I don't see why he can't do the same for Vicente.
 
O'Shea, Phil, Fletcher or some combination of the two can do the job at defensive midfield until a replacement for Keane's position is found. We are not going to be able replace him like for like though.
 
http://skysports.planetfootball.com...+insistent+over+Vicente&channel=Football_Home

Valencia have stressed that they have no intention of letting midfield star Vicente leave the club.

The Spanish international, currently sidelined after ankle surgery, was quoted in the English press as saying he wanted to move to The Premiership.
However, Los Che's president Juan Bautista Soler has ruled out any chance of Vicente moving.
Talking exclusively to skysports.com, Soler stated that the 24-year-old - who has a contract until 2007, would be staying at La Mestalla.
"At this moment the possible exit of Vicente is in-negotiable for Valencia," Soler told skysports.com.
"He is a key player for us and Valencia needs players like him.
"For us, Vicente is a player that is always to be with this club."
The likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United are all thought to be keen on the left winger, who starred at Euro 2004.
 
DJH said:
Completely agree. Just not convinced by De Rossi having only seen him twice and haven't seen Essien at all so can't comment on him. Would have loved Gravesen as a short term fix but that's out the window.

More on the topic however, I would love to have Vicente if we are indeed after him and don't understand all the cries that we can't have both him and Giggs. How close were we to signing Robben? If Fergie felt he could accomodate Giggs and Robben I don't see why he can't do the same for Vicente.
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The big difference here though is that Vicente has been proven for alot longer than Robben in a superior league, nearly won the CL and was instrumental in the Uefa Cup success and the storming of the Spanish league.

At the time we were after Robben even he couldn't have complained about bench time inb the presence of Giggs but, Vicente has been touted as a top 3(#1) winger in the world for the last 3years and he'd cost double what Robben did. Much harder to bench him imo and little harder to justify when he costs so much more.
 
Keano1999 said:
O'Shea, Phil, Fletcher or some combination of the two can do the job at defensive midfield until a replacement for Keane's position is found. We are not going to be able replace him like for like though.
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Agreed.
 
This summer (£15-20m kitty):
Choose 1: Niemi (2-3m) Cudicini (3-5m) Hildebrand (Bosman?)
Choose 1: De Rossi (15-20m) Essien (12-16m) Baraja (6-9m) Van Bommel (Bosman) Davids (released?) (Baraja/Van Bommel/Davids: either could be 2-3 year stop gap until D Jones and N'galula are ready)
Spare change used to sign 1-2 youth players

Summer 2006 (£15-20m kitty):
Choose 1: Vicente (20-25m) Downing (8-12m) Sneijder (10-14m) SWP (14-18m)
Spare change used to sign 1-2 youth players
 
i'd promote steele to 1st team rather than buy anyone! we should use our academy players and steele has done well. keepers are such a difficult position. we all thought we found our number 1 keeper for years when tim came, but then in his second season he messed up.

top players come to a club like ours and the pressure could be too much! but i'm happy wit the goal keeping situation for now.

i don't believe we need to replace keane at the moment. he's doing a fine job and still got at least a year if not two. so i'd like to see D. jones given more of a chance to play along side keane. o'shea, p. neville and fortune can all fill in for keane when he's missing for a match or two. besides who can anyone really replace keane? NO.

the only position we need strengthen is the left wing, but only as a back up! giggsy has got at least three years at the top! so hopefully richardson will come good.

but if vicente is available this season then we should go for him, if not then next season will do
 
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anyway, i still prefer shaun wright phillips, this guy can cross with left foot!

yamo123x said:
SWP is right footed you goon!!!!!!!!!!!

so please dont feed me bullshit that you watch em every week !

both talented players i agree!
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ermmm..hello hello..do you understand english?..EVERYONE know he is right winger...i was trying to say he can also cross well with his left foot you dick..
 
Fortitude said:
The big difference here though is that Vicente has been proven for alot longer than Robben in a superior league, nearly won the CL and was instrumental in the Uefa Cup success and the storming of the Spanish league.

At the time we were after Robben even he couldn't have complained about bench time inb the presence of Giggs but, Vicente has been touted as a top 3(#1) winger in the world for the last 3years and he'd cost double what Robben did. Much harder to bench him imo and little harder to justify when he costs so much more.
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I understand that. However, had Robben signed, do you really think he'd be spending much time on the bench considering how he has performed for Chelsea? Would you have wanted him to just to allow Giggs to start? Yes Giggs has been playing well of late, but Robben has been unstoppable.
 
DJH said:
I understand that. However, had Robben signed, do you really think he'd be spending much time on the bench considering how he has performed for Chelsea? Would you have wanted him to just to allow Giggs to start? Yes Giggs has been playing well of late, but Robben has been unstoppable.
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That is with hindsight though on how he has peformed this season. Vicente has been at that level for 3yrs in Spain(equally as important to Valencia as Robben now seems to be for the rentboys), which is my point really. He wouldn't come with low expectation on immediate effect like Robben did. Robben has now earned respect due to what he has done whilst playing - at 12mill, he couldn't complain about being benched as he was 'only' a star in Holland and unproven - but if we paid say 25million for Vicente, an established star, sitting him sounds almost criminal - exactly the same as if we bought Robben now(he would cost 20mil+) and sat him - it's almost unthinkable, if you see what I mean?

Another example would be if we bought Kezman for 6mil(established star in duutch league) and say Shevchenko for 20+. Kezman could never complain until he got his chance and did the business where Sheva could complain the second he didn't see playing time due to his status.
 
when ronaldo took over i was happy, he was young and from a poor portugese ireland, which means he wont be a diva off the pitch.
With vicente he a dickhead, he suit wenger/morihno rather then us.
Fergies best signing are modest people, like gabby, ruud, smithy, rooney.

His big money signings of veron learn him a lesson, Ronaldihno would of had an argument with fergie by now, he an amazing player but he a wanker of the pitch according to the PSG boss.
 
This is crazy talk. Vicente is one of the best wingers in the world. If your looking for a successor to Giggs then Vicente is your answer ... otherwise pray Richardson improves dramatically overnight or Giggs to play and move like he did 10 years ago.

Vicente wont be cheap, he will have all the big clubs chasing him, but to say no straight away ... thats crazy.
 
tengy said:
when ronaldo took over i was happy, he was young and from a poor portugese ireland, which means he wont be a diva off the pitch.
With vicente he a dickhead, he suit wenger/morihno rather then us.
Fergies best signing are modest people, like gabby, ruud, smithy, rooney.

His big money signings of veron learn him a lesson, Ronaldihno would of had an argument with fergie by now, he an amazing player but he a wanker of the pitch according to the PSG boss.
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One thing SAF has probably learnt is that South American players do not perform well at united ... Vicente is spanish.

What your implying about Vicente i do not understand ... if your saying he wont work as a team player then your wrong. Vicente can run at players, pass the ball around well, make accurate crosses and fight for the ball ... which is why he is one of the best Wingers around. As for how much he is worth ... imo he is worth every penny he is bought.
 
Can't see a Vicente move happening. We already have the best winger tandem in world football. Giggs and Ronaldo look to both sign new contracts/extentions soon. Can't see Vicente coming to OT. It would limit his playing time and there are too many big clubs out there who could use him more than us.
 
In all honesty i too do not see him coming to united. He would be a great buy and an ideal replacement for giggs. But anyways, Giggs probably still has another 2 years left at the club. Who knows Vicente could still remain in valencia ... hopefully, then we come back for him.
 
I find it ever so amusing that someone recommended offering Valencia Liam Miller in any deal for their best layer. In reality, i doubt we will sign him, unless Fergie continues to insist Fletcher is the answer in midfield, then will focus on a winger. I reckon we will sign either De Rossi,Essien,Gerrard or Hargreaves...while getting sum spanish,french or portuguese 17 or 18 year old winger who will either be a star or a load of crap.

A keeper also looks on the agenda,with Hildebrand being my option.
 
hehehe, offer Miller, Kleberson, Bellion and cash for Vicente. Thats an offer nobody could refuse.
 
I don't think de Rossi will be going anywhere for years. They are a huge club and he has been with/supported them his whole life and it looks like they will be playing CL football again next year, why would he want to leave? Also, top Italian players rarely leave Serie A. Of course Franco is a HUGE exception to that rule! ;)
 
Greetings,

MrMarcello said:
This summer (£15-20m kitty):
Choose 1: Niemi (2-3m) Cudicini (3-5m) Hildebrand (Bosman?)
Choose 1: De Rossi (15-20m) Essien (12-16m) Baraja (6-9m) Van Bommel (Bosman) Davids (released?) (Baraja/Van Bommel/Davids: either could be 2-3 year stop gap until D Jones and N'galula are ready)
Spare change used to sign 1-2 youth players

Summer 2006 (£15-20m kitty):
Choose 1: Vicente (20-25m) Downing (8-12m) Sneijder (10-14m) SWP (14-18m)
Spare change used to sign 1-2 youth players
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Like the names and not bad planning, but just my pov, I would go keeper wing this year, and CM next year. I mean sure Keane and Giggs are both getting along in years and both need long term 1st string replacements, but simply put at least we have a replacement for Keane on the bench, where as we have *no* cover for the wings. Ymmv of course :).

Take care,
Rob
 
tengy said:
when ronaldo took over i was happy, he was young and from a poor portugese ireland, which means he wont be a diva off the pitch.
With vicente he a dickhead, he suit wenger/morihno rather then us.
Fergies best signing are modest people, like gabby, ruud, smithy, rooney.

His big money signings of veron learn him a lesson, Ronaldihno would of had an argument with fergie by now, he an amazing player but he a wanker of the pitch according to the PSG boss.
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How did you get the impression that Vicente's a prima donna? The Vicente I watched was a team player who'd track back to help his LB win the ball, hardly the sign of a diva who won't get his socks dirty.

Ahem, Ruud and Ronney too are big money transfers, the price tag's in relation to their ability not the size of their ego. Vicente's a signing who'll work in England imo (this coming from someone who gets nervous about transfers from 'softer' leagues).

If he could just sit tight in Spain for say 1 season or 2, we might have a chance of signing him.
 
tengy said:
With vicente he a dickhead, he suit wenger/morihno rather then us.
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Like the others, I'm wondering why you think this opinion of Vicente? He's never struck me that way when I've watched him.

Vicente said last season that he didn't want to leave Valencia, but that was after they had just won the La Liga and UEFA Cup. If he feels they won't go anywhere but backwards, he'll leave. A bit like Gerrard in that way, both would prefer to stay at their current clubs, but will move if it's the only way to taste success at the highest level.
 
tengy said:
when ronaldo took over i was happy, he was young and from a poor portugese ireland, which means he wont be a diva off the pitch.
With vicente he a dickhead, he suit wenger/morihno rather then us.
Fergies best signing are modest people, like gabby, ruud, smithy, rooney.

His big money signings of veron learn him a lesson, Ronaldihno would of had an argument with fergie by now, he an amazing player but he a wanker of the pitch according to the PSG boss.
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confused him with joaquin me thinks
 
it seems like a lot of people in here have not watched vicente, but they are making statements about him and rate him. i'd say go and watch his games for valencia and spain at the euro 04, and in this campaign until he got injured, and then come back and rate him again. dont critisize a player (if positive or negative) when you didnt see him play!
 
Rob Bowman said:
Greetings,

Like the names and not bad planning, but just my pov, I would go keeper wing this year, and CM next year. I mean sure Keane and Giggs are both getting along in years and both need long term 1st string replacements, but simply put at least we have a replacement for Keane on the bench, where as we have *no* cover for the wings. Ymmv of course :).

Take care,
Rob
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Should add Edu to that list for CM as well.

Well, I think CM is a bigger concern since United could win the CL this year and Keane could retire in the summer. And whomever SAF signs, probably will need a year to acclimate to Premiership style and settle into the club, so I'd rather see that person signed this summer so if Keane sticks around for 1 more season, he'll be able to learn next to Keane. Otherwise, this player is immediately thrust into the spotlight and expected to carry Keane's burden. That could suffocate most players.

As for LW, if Ole is healthy next season, he can back up Ronaldo on the RW (Fletcher can be 3rd choice), and this would allow Ronaldo to back up Giggs on the LW, as can Fortune, and even Rooney in 4-3-3. So I think LW can wait one more summer, and by then Lee Martin might have made the jump. Also, if Valencia continue to struggle, SAF could use his 2006 transfer kitty to sign Vicente, if he would want to come to England. It's also possible Duff may want out of Chelsea or that SAF may find some other LW (Downing) to come in for.
 
Marcello, quick question: why would Duff want out of Chelsea?

Also Vicente HAS tasted the highest success at Valencia and wants to stay, why would he leave? They have been in 2 recent CL Finals, won the UEFA Cup and the League. They have had more success then Ut over the past few years.

Chief: Cassano as a winger? He is playing a bit wider in a front three now but is hardly a winger, per sé.
 
Bodzilla said:
Marcello, quick question: why would Duff want out of Chelsea?

Also Vicente HAS tasted the highest success at Valencia and wants to stay, why would he leave? They have been in 2 recent CL Finals, won the UEFA Cup and the League. They have had more success then Ut over the past few years.

Chief: Cassano as a winger? He is playing a bit wider in a front three now but is hardly a winger, per sé.
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Valencia are struggeling financially and Ranieri's tactics are pissing off some die-hard fans as well as some of the players, and remember they dont have the manager that lead them to so much success, so its not all that rosy in the Valencia camp so dont assume that Vicente wont leave them.
 
Bodzilla said:
Marcello, quick question: why would Duff want out of Chelsea?

Also Vicente HAS tasted the highest success at Valencia and wants to stay, why would he leave? They have been in 2 recent CL Finals, won the UEFA Cup and the League. They have had more success then Ut over the past few years.

Chief: Cassano as a winger? He is playing a bit wider in a front three now but is hardly a winger, per sé.
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Duff will continue to see less playing time if Robben continues his maturation into a world class winger/forward and stays fit. Eventually, one would think a player as talented as Duff will not settle being a sub. And remember, Duff held out signing for Chelsea while asking for SAF to make a bid, but then signed only after SAF ruled out spending 17m quid for him. All SAF had to do was meet Blackburn's release clause and Duff was on his way to OT. Chelsea was his second choice.

Vicente plays for Valencia and should they suddenly be reduced to also-rans in Spain and miss out on CL play, he may feel the ship is sinking at Valencia and may want a new challenge. And he may not want to stick around with Raneiri in charge. Of course, his departure may be for Barca or Real or Juve, but could open the doors for a move to England as well.
 
Valencia have been successful over the years with differant managers. Ranieri has barely been there(this go round).

Surely a sketchy 6 month period isn't enough to make a judgement on.

I'm not saying Vicente wont leave, I am just highly skeptical and think people here aren't aware of just how successful Valencia are. He loves the club, and as they say the grass isn't always greener on the other side(that goesfor all players).

The same with de Rossi. Why do people just assume he is off? Playing at the club he loves with regular CL football and if it weren't for a horrid start would be challenging(in all likelyhood) for a title, well at least they would have an outside chance at the title.
 
Money talks...and you being a Chelsea supporter should be quite aware of this. De Rossi and Vicente may never leave their current clubs, just like Giggs, Gazza, and Scholes will most likely never leave United. But money talks and Valencia and Roma have been known to sell prized assets in recent times.
 
Again Marcello, how is Robben playing well removing Duff from the starting XI? Duff has shown he is excellant on the right and has played in virtually every match since early October. He has also been used as a striker this year(a position Robben has said he wants to play in the future). There is more then enough room for Robben and Duff in the team, Mourinho loves Duffer because he is so dangerous going forward and is one of the BEST wingers in the world at tracking back and playing defense.

About Vicente. They are 3rd in the league right now, played in the CL this year and were champions last year. Don't see them dropping off the map(not saying it wont happen). If Utd finish 3rd again this year and don't get past the first knockout stage of the CL again do you htink Utd players will want to leave? Just an honest hypothetical question.
 
duff won't be leaving chelsea we should have signed him when we got the chance...vicente is a mouthwatering prospect but he would cost a bomb!
 
MrMarcello said:
Money talks...and you being a Chelsea supporter should be quite aware of this. De Rossi and Vicente may never leave their current clubs, just like Giggs, Gazza, and Scholes will most likely never leave United. But money talks and Valencia and Roma have been known to sell prized assets in recent times.
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I agree, to an extent. Roma have sold some good players but how many were Italian and how many were considered the heart of the club? I'm not saying they wont be sold, but I am just questioning the belief(or supposed belief) that de Rossi would be willing to just up and leave when he is in a great position right now.
 
Bodzilla said:
Again Marcello, how is Robben playing well removing Duff from the starting XI? Duff has shown he is excellant on the right and has played in virtually every match since early October. He has also been used as a striker this year(a position Robben has said he wants to play in the future). There is more then enough room for Robben and Duff in the team, Mourinho loves Duffer because he is so dangerous going forward and is one of the BEST wingers in the world at tracking back and playing defense.

About Vicente. They are 3rd in the league right now, played in the CL this year and were champions last year. Don't see them dropping off the map(not saying it wont happen). If Utd finish 3rd again this year and don't get past the first knockout stage of the CL again do you htink Utd players will want to leave? Just an honest hypothetical question.
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Some of them would if SAF left and Tinkerman took over
 
As stated earlier, United have not been known to be a selling club except when players are past their prime or younger players have pushed the veterans to the fringes. And United vs Valencia is no contest in historical sense, passion, fans, revenues, etc. Vicente may never leave, but as said before, money talks...and he may seek new challenges. Anything can happen. It will probably be easier to sign Downing in 18 months as he's younger, acclimated to England, and probably will be ready to move to a bigger club soon. Vicente is probably a dream, slightly better odds of him joining United than Gerrard.

And yes, I would inquire to Roma and De Rossi to gauge his interest in playing elsewhere. Never hurts.
 
Reflectorboy said:
duff won't be leaving chelsea we should have signed him when we got the chance...vicente is a mouthwatering prospect but he would cost a bomb!
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There was no sense in paying 17m for an oft-injured LW, especially when Giggs was still going strong and had another 3-5 seasons in him.
 
MrMarcello said:
There was no sense in paying 17m for an oft-injured LW, especially when Giggs was still going strong and had another 3-5 seasons in him.
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I am not nitpicking your posts and I don't really want to make it seem like I'm getting on your case here Marcello, but a lot of people here seem to be willing to pay £17m+ for an oft injured LW now, just that his name isn't Damien.
 
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