I've really been enjoying how Giggs and Ronaldo have been working the wings lately. They are switching very well and causing no end of problems for opponents. If we can land a long term replacement for Giggs we'd be set, so we should at least make an attempt to sign Vicente.
Vicente moving...?
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Ronaldo is just as effective on either wing. Arguably he is better on the right as hes played there more. Signing a right or left sided winger will work as ronaldo can just adapt to eith side IMO.
Vicente is good enough for us and would be an ideal signing.
Does anyone reckon fergie still has hopes for richardson
with his world class goal on the weekend and everything 
Vicente is good enough for us and would be an ideal signing.
Does anyone reckon fergie still has hopes for richardson
with his world class goal on the weekend and everything He wont go for less then 20mil. Every top club in Europe will be chasing him, not just Arsenal and united according to reports. Even if he has stated he wants to play in england, teams like Real Madrid, juventus, Acmilan, Barcelona will all want him, Chelsea will want him simply because everyone wants him and they have the cash to buy him at whatever price.
I wouldnt be surprised if he gets bought for 30mil. I would offer 20mil +Kleberson and Miller for him.
I wouldnt be surprised if he gets bought for 30mil. I would offer 20mil +Kleberson and Miller for him.
We don't need him, especially with Giggs getting a new contract - infact we don't need much help in the way of transfers, with the exception of a possible move for Essien to replace Djemba. Other than that, we're well stacked.
We lack wingers. Injury to Giggs or Ronaldo and we are fecked.
and Vicente isn't a backup.
Greetings,
I would disagree. In our current system of choice we are playing one holding central mid (Keane), with the rest flowing freely up the pitch (closest to a 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 depending on your perspective). In these formations considering our current starters and qualified replacements, the biggest hole is a replacement on the wing if either Giggs or Ronnie get hurt. Couple that with Giggs age, and the biggest need imho is a winger.
Now sure I understand Keane's age, but honestly Keane is not the physical colossus he was. PNev can come on and due his physical duties fairly reasonably imho. Keane's importance imho has nothing to do with his physical exertions. He is the MAN now due to his leadership.
In short when Keane goes it will be easy to plug the gap physically with the current bench imho. The real challenge will be for the team to re-identify itself with out Keano's influence. I just do not see any signing or checkbook fixing that with a snap of the fingers. Ymmv of course.
Take care,
Rob
kanchelskis14 said:
I would disagree. In our current system of choice we are playing one holding central mid (Keane), with the rest flowing freely up the pitch (closest to a 4-3-3 or 4-1-4-1 depending on your perspective). In these formations considering our current starters and qualified replacements, the biggest hole is a replacement on the wing if either Giggs or Ronnie get hurt. Couple that with Giggs age, and the biggest need imho is a winger.
Now sure I understand Keane's age, but honestly Keane is not the physical colossus he was. PNev can come on and due his physical duties fairly reasonably imho. Keane's importance imho has nothing to do with his physical exertions. He is the MAN now due to his leadership.
In short when Keane goes it will be easy to plug the gap physically with the current bench imho. The real challenge will be for the team to re-identify itself with out Keano's influence. I just do not see any signing or checkbook fixing that with a snap of the fingers. Ymmv of course
.Take care,
Rob
that we could move for vicente is very unlikely. first, he is a proven, world class left wing, would only play for a great club and would never accept an offer where he wouldnt be first choice. at united, i am not sure if he would play from the beginning, because as long as giggs is performing like he's now, there is no better left winger.
2nd reason is that giggs still has at least 2 years to play on a top level, as long as he can keep his current top form.
so i can only see vicente at united if giggs loses his top form and plays utterly bad, or vicente is happy to be more like an understudy and is happy to rotate with ronaldo and giggs. both points are very unlikely. but i have to say, vicente is in my eyes the best replacement for giggs
2nd reason is that giggs still has at least 2 years to play on a top level, as long as he can keep his current top form.
so i can only see vicente at united if giggs loses his top form and plays utterly bad, or vicente is happy to be more like an understudy and is happy to rotate with ronaldo and giggs. both points are very unlikely. but i have to say, vicente is in my eyes the best replacement for giggs
Raoul said:and Vicente isn't a backup.
Of course he isnt back up. Im not saying we go for him and then watch him sit on the bench. Im sure SAF will find away to keep Ronaldo,Giggs and Vicente all happy and fresh.
what the hell?
Vicente not a crosser? Vicente with an attitude problem?
You guys must be thinking about Joaquin. I rate Vicente as an all round winger.
Won't come cheap, but I don't think it would be too expensive for him.
Vicente not a crosser? Vicente with an attitude problem?
You guys must be thinking about Joaquin. I rate Vicente as an all round winger.
Won't come cheap, but I don't think it would be too expensive for him.
YianniArvani said:
If we're getting Vicente, Ronaldo, Giggs and him would play a lot of matches. Ronaldo can rest more (since giggs can play on the right), Giggs will be older and can rest more, while Vicente will get a smooth start in United, playing a lot of matches, but can take a rest when he needs it. I think we must sign a new winger, since we only have two atm. It could be Vicente, it could be someone else. Vicente would be the best though.
i would prefer stuart downing or shaun wright phillips.
There proven premiership players, plus they speak english and can handle the english mentality.
Vicente cant take ferguson disciplin.
It better to have more british then foreigners.
There proven premiership players, plus they speak english and can handle the english mentality.
Vicente cant take ferguson disciplin.
It better to have more british then foreigners.
i read it somewhere that his favourite left winger is Giggs!!!
Shaft said:
If that's truly the case, then he jump at the chance to play alongside Giggs.
If only our CM were sorted, I'll love to see us go for Vicente. He's hardworking, packs a good cross and scores his fair share of goals, about all I'll ask from a winger.
Unfortunately even if he does fancy a move to England (the fact that cash-strapped Arse're said to be after him makes the story suspect), we can't afford him given that the bulk of our transfer funds'll be going towards that CM. Sigh...
Unfortunately even if he does fancy a move to England (the fact that cash-strapped Arse're said to be after him makes the story suspect), we can't afford him given that the bulk of our transfer funds'll be going towards that CM. Sigh...
why do you know that? do you know him that well? it looks like ronaldo has no problem with that mentality, why cant vicente be the same?tengy said:
downing and shaun are good wingers, but you have to say that both are not yet tested on the very big stage, as vicente has won the uefa cup and is in the first XI for spain and played well at the euro 04.
Vicente is very precise in everything he does. A great finisher and a great crosser of the ball, almost a left footed Beckham in that respect - his crosses are pinpoint (Ruud/Smith and Saha would love his crosses) and he is extremely intelligent - he'll play the high cross when it's needed, the low fast cross at the right moment, or go for goal himself at the right time - The claims for him to be the best LW in the world are definitely not far-fetched. If you don't watch La Liga(he was instrumental in both La Liga runs to the title) just get yourself a tape of his rampaging through the UEfa Cup - he's a big game player and more importantly a genuine team player, he'd be perfect for our short passing game and he works hard.
He would rightly be a 20mil(He's not of place in a world xi) player and I'm sure several of the biggest clubs would go in for him, including the Chelski. He's too good to go under the radar and most importantly this guy is the most consistent wide man out there over a league campaign. He has the heart and smarts to handle EPL (If Fabregas can, Vincente can too) and there is no primadonna about him.
The only problem with Vicente is that he's too good to bench and Giggs is part of our soul..don't think you buy Vincente to sit him and I don't see how you can drop Giggs to put Vicente in. If we can get him we'd be crazy not to but accomodting him when everyone is healthy would be a nightmare. Like I said, Vicente has no business being on anyone's bench...
He would rightly be a 20mil(He's not of place in a world xi) player and I'm sure several of the biggest clubs would go in for him, including the Chelski. He's too good to go under the radar and most importantly this guy is the most consistent wide man out there over a league campaign. He has the heart and smarts to handle EPL (If Fabregas can, Vincente can too) and there is no primadonna about him.
The only problem with Vicente is that he's too good to bench and Giggs is part of our soul..don't think you buy Vincente to sit him and I don't see how you can drop Giggs to put Vicente in. If we can get him we'd be crazy not to but accomodting him when everyone is healthy would be a nightmare. Like I said, Vicente has no business being on anyone's bench...
One thing.. if we got Vicente it would be another masterstroke, Robben would be forgotten in an instant and our wings would be solidified for thext 8years
rOnaldo[7] said:
SWP is right footed you goon!!!!!!!!!!!
so please dont feed me bullshit that you watch em every week !
both talented players i agree!
if we want to accomodate vicente, we will have to play 3 at the back, i.e.
mikke rio gabby
ronaldo kean scholes vicente giggs
rooney
ruud
i dont think we will play 3 at the back... too risky
mikke rio gabby
ronaldo kean scholes vicente giggs
rooney
ruud
i dont think we will play 3 at the back... too risky
Fortitude, i totally agree with you about vicente. people forget that he won a lot already with valencia, and he wont be cheap! one problem i see is if he really wants to leave valencia.
the epl shouldnt be a problem for him, he is very strong, and gets stuck in, too. physically strong player. the biggest problem will be that right now we dont need him, as giggs is performing well, and he wont be a bench player, thats for sure
the epl shouldnt be a problem for him, he is very strong, and gets stuck in, too. physically strong player. the biggest problem will be that right now we dont need him, as giggs is performing well, and he wont be a bench player, thats for sure
I just can't see a way to fit him in. It would be criminal to bench Giggs or Vicente and Ronaldo's development is affected if he's not getting the games in. I can't think of a system we can use that keeps the team balanced and enables Giggs, Ronny and Vicente to play and it would be criminal to bench a 20mil player anyway. Do you reckon we go in for him? I'm a bit skeptical.Michel04 said:
vicente is class but i don't get one thing
why the hell would arsenal want him
they have reyes, (or maybe they wanna sell him)
van persie, pires, clichy and cole also left sided and very attack minded
not to mention that henry likes to work on the left wing as well, i mean he drops deep on the left side
why the hell do they need him, unless they wanna make an entire team of left sided players
why the hell would arsenal want him
they have reyes, (or maybe they wanna sell him)
van persie, pires, clichy and cole also left sided and very attack minded
not to mention that henry likes to work on the left wing as well, i mean he drops deep on the left side
why the hell do they need him, unless they wanna make an entire team of left sided players
giggs has at least another year left, and vicente is only 22 years old. so we could wait for him, and buy him in 2006. but probably until then he could play already for another club. so it is not easy. as long as giggs performs like he does right now, we dont need another winger who costs about 20 mil for the bench, and i really dont see another position where he could fit in, probably scholes' position, but scholes is still a top player, so no chance there. the only solution i see is that he would have to rotate with giggs and ronnie, but as we all know we should play the same first XI week in week out as it possible.Fortitude said:
the same goes for chelski, they have already duff and robben. but i am sure the big spanish and italian clubs are interested in himjatin said:
Without a doubt if Vincente becomes available Real, Chelski, and Juve will all be ready to take him. He's the kind of guy that will get to go wherver he wants as there isn't anyopne better then him out there and Left footed wingers are the rarest resource on the pitch. If Fergie can wrangle it and figure something out I'd be all for this fella. Taking in proven young talent would do us the world of good in the next 10years.Michel04 said:
Chelski won't buy him.. Mourinho isn't that stupid. He doesn't want three lefwingers, especially when their name is Duff, Robben and Vicente.
Isn't vicente born in 81? = 24 years old?
I think we should buy him.. we can't gamble anymore.. if Ronaldo and Giggs gets an injury at the same time, we're fecked. I think SAF would please all the three players.
Isn't vicente born in 81? = 24 years old?
I think we should buy him.. we can't gamble anymore.. if Ronaldo and Giggs gets an injury at the same time, we're fecked. I think SAF would please all the three players.
Penny said:I think he will end up a Real Madrid player if he ever move
They can't sign him AND Reyes.
you fecking idiots,
vicente would cost 15m-20m
with that money we could save and look for a central midfielders cos keano only 2 years left in him, we need to start tapping up steven gerrard.
vicente would cost 15m-20m
with that money we could save and look for a central midfielders cos keano only 2 years left in him, we need to start tapping up steven gerrard.
tengy said:
but giggs also only has 2 years left? he is old too you know...
Get Vicente now, pre contract or anything to secure his services to us. I think we did make enquiries about him before and looking at what is out there, he is the only left winger that will suit sour system. He has good skill and can dribble if required, crosses and scores goals too. Even if Giggs signs for another year we have to have backup for Ronaldo or Giggs being injured or suspended. It also means we can slot Giggs in or even Ronaldo in central roles as well (only if really required)
Get this man
Get this man
tengy said:
You're right about CM being a more urgent problem but I reckon a bulldog DM'll do just as well for us.
PS what was your reaction when Ronaldo took over Beckham's shirt? Well, he's not English and hence supposedly not as tough mentally and physically...
fecking Idiot
tengy said:
IMHO vicente is the best left winger out there,giggs probably come close,he would fit perfectly as a replacement for giggs,much better than robben IMO,but the only problem is that we need to address the central midfield position before buying a winger
i think it would be great this summer if we get figo and one DM to replace keane
i think it would be great this summer if we get figo and one DM to replace keane
i agree regarding figo, stil class act!!!
but if we have look at future then vicente and SWP are options. They are totally different players but we were at our best when we had two quick wingers, kanchelskis and giggsy.......
as for cm if we cant get gerrard(which i would not rule out) then get essien!!!!
no hargreaves !
but if we have look at future then vicente and SWP are options. They are totally different players but we were at our best when we had two quick wingers, kanchelskis and giggsy.......
as for cm if we cant get gerrard(which i would not rule out) then get essien!!!!
no hargreaves !
essien? how much have you seen him play? how do you rate him?
i saw some games, and i am not sure whether he 's the right person to be roys replacement!
i saw some games, and i am not sure whether he 's the right person to be roys replacement!
Great player possibly the best left mid in the world, if we get him I'll be over the moon. Although I'd much prefer to get VDV.
For me we get Downing and have him learn from the master. Then we sign a cnetral midfield giant like De
Rossi or Essien and a real keeper then we will be quite perfect....
Rossi or Essien and a real keeper then we will be quite perfect....
Me must sign a left winger sooner that later anyway. And of course Keanos replacement.
When we've signed a kepper, a DM and a LW, we're sorted for years, but we need top quality players in that position now, that's the problem, and it will be expensive. SAF/Carlos will probably sort this out. Which position we shall replace now, and which we shall replace later etc.
When we've signed a kepper, a DM and a LW, we're sorted for years, but we need top quality players in that position now, that's the problem, and it will be expensive. SAF/Carlos will probably sort this out. Which position we shall replace now, and which we shall replace later etc.