Veron

Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>I know I'm going to get in trouble for this - but if we have to sell anyone in the summer, will it be Veron.

I know he's played a lot better this season, and tbh, I'd rather he stayed than went - but I've seen Scholes, Ole, Giggs, O'Shea, and Fortune put the kind of balls thru that we bought Seba for.

Ideally, he will stay - but if one big name has to go in order for us to buy, will it be him?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're just a fecking anti-argentinian racist
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Originally posted by manusteve:
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You're just a fecking anti-argentinian racist</strong><hr></blockquote>


Read the post cretin.

I asked if Veron would be the one to be sold IF WE HAVE TO SELL ANYONE, because he has been out most of the season, and we've achieved what we have more or less without him. As I already said, it isn't my wish that he should be sold, and the same question could have been asked about Ruud if it applied to him. You'll find plenty of posts where I've stuck up for Seba.

It has nothing to do with him being Argentinian and I object to being called a racist.

Even if I didn't rate him as a player - which I do - it would be for that reason, not because of his race.
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Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>I know Livvie you hate Veron.You want only English players to play for United ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Shutup Vijay, I'm not in the mood for people either joking about it, or making stupid comments.

I've never hated Veron and there are people on here who have said a lot worse about him than I have - in fact, I don't think I've ever said anything really bad about him.
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What a crap topic. Let's sell United players. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
Originally posted by Spoony:
<strong>What a crap topic. Let's sell United players. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


Crap idea to discuss possible selling or buying the transfer forum, you're right.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Crap idea to discuss possible selling or buying the transfer forum, you're right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok lets sell Ruud and Rio. I will start a topic, its the tranfer forum after all, so why not?
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Ah another member gets laid into for knocking a United player. How many thats now lads?

I dont agree with her or anyone else that says Veron should be sold but they only have what they think are Uniteds best interest at heart and as long as their not saying "hes feckin useless, shite, sell him, sack fergie" etc. kind of rant then why not let him/her voice their opinions?
 
Originally posted by Spoony:
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Ok lets sell Ruud and Rio. I will start a topic, its the tranfer forum after all, so why not?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well we're obviously not going to sell Ruud or Rio are we - but in the summer things happen, and there's been a lot of talk of who might leave. I've said more than once that I think we should add to the squad we have to strengthen it, and not sell any of the first team. Others have said we won't strengthen it without selling - so I've started a topic about that. What's the problem??

I'll carve it in stone if you like. I don't want so see Veron, or any other first=team player, leave. But I don't know how likely that is, hence the topic.
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Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>Ah another member gets laid into for knocking a United player. How many thats now lads?

I dont agree with her or anyone else that says Veron should be sold but they only have what they think are Uniteds best interest at heart and as long as their not saying "hes feckin useless, shite, sell him, sack fergie" etc. kind of rant then why not let him/her voice their opinions?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well thanks for that VN - but I don't want Veron to be sold!!!!!
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Well we're obviously not going to sell Ruud or Rio are we - </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sure? Real's been linked with Ruud. Other than Dave Beckham and Giggs there haven't been any transfer rumours.

Unless there have been rumours of Veron moving, I suggest you concentrate elsewhere.

Lets add to the squad, and not start pathetic sell the team topics.
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Originally posted by Spoony:
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Sure? Real's been linked with Ruud. Other than Dave Beckham and Giggs there haven't been any transfer rumours.

Unless there have been rumours of Veron moving, I suggest you concentrate elsewhere.

Lets add to the squad, and not start pathetic sell the team topics.</strong><hr></blockquote>

For Christ's sake, I've always said we should add to the squad, how many more times.

And there have been several rumours about Veron moving back to Italy.

I'm not suggesting he should be sold - I'm asking if he is likely to be the one sacrificed by the Board if someone has to be sold.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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And there have been several rumours about Veron moving back to Italy.

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Last season. Jeez!

If players are sold its because Ferguson wants rid of them. I'll hazard a guess that he's not happy with David. Thoughts?
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Originally posted by Spoony:
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Last season. Jeez!

If players are sold its because Ferguson wants rid of them. I'll hazard a guess that he's not happy with David. Thoughts?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've seen them in the past few months. I take as much notice of them as I do the ones about Beckham. Doesn't mean we can't discuss the possibilities/probabilities on here tho. That's what it's for.

But if generating debate means you warrant a lot of extremely personal abuse, it's not worth the bother. There are plenty of posters on here who are deliberate wind-ups and I'm not one of them.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I've seen them in the past few months. I take as much notice of them as I do the ones about Beckham. Doesn't mean we can't discuss the possibilities/probabilities on here tho. That's what it's for.

But if generating debate means you warrant a lot of extremely personal abuse, it's not worth the bother. There are plenty of posters on here who are deliberate wind-ups and I'm not one of them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I tell you what, perhaps you should link any half decent articles about Veron moving from this season. I can do many about David, some very credible.
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Originally posted by Vinay:
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Well, I perhaps understand to some extent, Livvie.. Only one thing though. I personally believe our team should be build around 5-6 individuals at this time:

1. RVN
2. Veron
3. O'Shea
4. Ferdinand
5. Scholes

The others can be picked out of the pool of players we have depending upon tactic desired.

But, for me those guys are indispensable.</strong><hr></blockquote>

fecken spot on. Couldn't have put it clearer myself.
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Livvie. I don't think that you should belive everything that you read in the Sun. I don't recall Veron every being quoted as saying that he wants to leave. Or believe that SAF has any intention of selling him. You shouldn't be so dogmatic with your posts and people may begin to take you seriously and not just insult you.
Veron plays the game like it should be played, with style and flair. He gives us another dimension with his awsome range of passes and the odd dream finish here and there. His performance against Birmingham this year was a master class in central midfield play. And the ball to set up Ole against Deportivo was fecking unbelievable.
Once free from injury and he is able to have a good run in the team, I think he'll begin to show us consistently what he can do for us at OT. I hope he stays along with the rest of the big names. I think we need more quality on the bench to increase competion in the squad.
 
Originally posted by Dancuffe:
<strong>Livvie. I don't think that you should belive everything that you read in the Sun. I don't recall Veron every being quoted as saying that he wants to leave. Or believe that SAF has any intention of selling him. You shouldn't be so dogmatic with your posts and people may begin to take you seriously and not just insult you.
Veron plays the game like it should be played, with style and flair. He gives us another dimension with his awsome range of passes and the odd dream finish here and there. His performance against Birmingham this year was a master class in central midfield play. And the ball to set up Ole against Deportivo was fecking unbelievable.
Once free from injury and he is able to have a good run in the team, I think he'll begin to show us consistently what he can do for us at OT. I hope he stays along with the rest of the big names. I think we need more quality on the bench to increase competion in the squad.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are you as thick as you pretend to be? Or do you just not bother to read things properly? If you did you would see that I actually agree with most of the things you have said. Or maybe you were just born argumentative.

a) This is a transfer forum, hence discussion about possible moves.

b) For what is possibly the 1000th time, I have not said I think Veron should leave. I have just commented on the possiblility that he might be the sacrificial lamb. It isn't my opinion that he should go - just asking for other people's views on what might happen in the summer following Peter Kenyon's comments of a couple of months ago. How is asking for other people's views dogmatic??

c) I don't believe everything I read in The Sun. Tho of course if it's about Beckham saying he wants to leave United, then it's compulsory to believe it.

You launch into a CV of Veron's games for us which has nothing to do with the thread really, as I haven't questioned his ability!

Whether we like it or not, in the summer, players are likely to move on.

I have numerous posts on here saying that I don't want to sell ANY of the first team squad.

Have you got that? But once again, just in case -I - don't - want - Veron - to - leave - United.

Now that's dogmatic.
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Originally posted by Dancuffe:
<strong>If Beckham can't understand that the teams well being is far more important than his own fecking ego, then see you later David!!! And take your failed bint with you. Ole has been playing out of his skin on the right wing and the team has at last hit a rich vien of form, playing like the United we expect to see.
Beckham must understand that Manchester United will be around long after he is finished and that the club has given him everything he has today, Fame,money and the best facilities and trainers there are to develope himself into the player that he is.
If he is throwing his rattle out of the pram and wants out, then lets cash in. I truly don't want Beckham to leave but like P Ince before him if you start to get to big for your boots, your out. There is only 1 Gaffer at O.T.
I honestly think that Beckham gave everything he could in the 20mins or so he got on wednesday. And thats the reaction Fergie counted on getting from Beckham. All this crap about what if he'd have started, what if this what if that!!! The game was lost at the back, not in midfield or up front. Beckham starting would not have changed the outcome, I don't think he could have maintained that level of performance for 90mins. I want him to stay but United need to change things anyway, with or without him United we stand!! As for the Ruud bit, shut up you idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If I was you, I wouldn't believe everything you read in the Sun.
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Why is Livvie getting all this abuse simply for starting a debate on who should be sacrificed, IF we have to sacrifice a big named player this summer? This is the transfer forum, isn't it?

By throwing out a simple question, she's been called a racist and subjected herself to a lot of grief just because she wanted to start a debate.

I read stuff on the forum everyday where people are mercilessly slagging off United players. Try looking at the threads on Fabien, past threads on Giggsy or look at some of the recent ones on Keano. A lot of the criticism in these threads are way over the top and outright ridiculous. And yet they don't generate nearly the same heated responses that this one has. Why is that?

If you don't agree with her post, why don't you just argue your point without making it personal? Or if you don't like the thread and can't be bothered...just skip the thread. I do it all the time.
 
Originally posted by Red15:
<strong>Why is Livvie getting all this abuse simply for starting a debate on who should be sacrificed, IF we have to sacrifice a big named player this summer? This is the transfer forum, isn't it?

By throwing out a simple question, she's been called a racist and subjected herself to a lot of grief just because she wanted to start a debate.

I read stuff on the forum everyday where people are mercilessly slagging off United players. Try looking at the threads on Fabien, past threads on Giggsy or look at some of the recent ones on Keano. A lot of the criticism in these threads are way over the top and outright ridiculous. And yet they don't generate nearly the same heated responses that this one has. Why is that?

If you don't agree with her post, why don't you just argue your point without making it personal? Or if you don't like the thread and can't be bothered...just skip the thread. I do it all the time.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Quite rightly said... I wish more people would follow your principles.
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Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>Which silly ho started this thread? Is United becoming Leeds United or what? Selling our star players........ :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

does the username you decide to log in as on a particular day determine if you're going to be a wanker or a cnut? I see today is a cnut day.
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quite agree with Red15 also.

Some of the stuff aimed at Livvie is a disgrace.
 
i believe seba has come to grips with our game, and his perfomances have been consistent....he is a true united player!
 
Livvie, are you upset?
I think the C.V illustrates why Veron is not an expendable commodity that should be sold to finance the purchase of new players.(Get it?) The 'CV' is relevant if we are talking about who should go or stay in a hypothetical debate.Surley such issues should be decided on ability and not what ever happens to pop into your head. As for the insults they are childish, nothing more and certainly not worth rising to. Livvie,you seem to have the view thats its OK for you to insult people and rubbish peoples opinions if they are not compatible to your own. And then start banding around child like taunts as a last resort if you are incapable of turning the debate in your favour.
Long live the freedom of speech and the right to air your opinions without being called stupid.
 
Originally posted by Dancuffe:
<strong>Livvie, are you upset?
I think the C.V illustrates why Veron is not an expendable commodity that should be sold to finance the purchase of new players.(Get it?) The 'CV' is relevant if we are talking about who should go or stay in a hypothetical debate.Surley such issues should be decided on ability and not what ever happens to pop into your head. As for the insults they are childish, nothing more and certainly not worth rising to. Livvie,you seem to have the view thats its OK for you to insult people and rubbish peoples opinions if they are not compatible to your own. And then start banding around child like taunts as a last resort if you are incapable of turning the debate in your favour.
Long live the freedom of speech and the right to air your opinions without being called stupid.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Show me where I started the insults.
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Originally posted by Dancuffe:
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As for the insults they are childish, nothing more and certainly not worth rising to. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Is this the insults I've given out - as a response mind you - or the insults I've had thrown at me.


Originally posted by Dancuffe:
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Livvie,you seem to have the view thats its OK for you to insult people and rubbish peoples opinions if they are not compatible to your own. </strong>
I don't think it's OK to insult people at all - but I'll do so if it's in my own defence. ANd the only opinions I've "rubbished" are those implying I've said something I haven't.

Originally posted by Dancuffe:
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And then start banding around child like taunts as a last resort if you are incapable of turning the debate in your favour </strong>
What is "my favour"? What is my opinion then?


Originally posted by Dancuffe:
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Long live the freedom of speech and the right to air your opinions without being called stupid.

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So what about my freedom of speech then? If you read carefully what I've written, you'll see that I've only responded in kind to some of the comments I've had. I think this is more than a tad hypocritical.

Please feel free to quote any of my comments as evidence for the prosecution.
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Are you as thick as you pretend to be!! ring any bells. As far as I can see Livvie my posts have expressed what I feel about topics, rumours that have been posted concerning Manchester United . You seem to have taken personal affront to opinions that don't match up to your own. I find that slightly humorous as you are not Manchester United or any of the players at the club. I value your opinions as they mean as much as anybody elses. And to be honest we can all sit and intellectualise on issues that in reality we have no real insight into or power to influence. We all just have opinions. And none of them mean shit, they are just what we think is going on.
So please don't get upset or insulting if what I think does'nt match up to what you think should happen. After all, that is the nature of a good debate. It would be very dull if everyone agreed all of the time.
 
Originally posted by Dancuffe:
<strong>Are you as thick as you pretend to be!! ring any bells. As far as I can see Livvie my posts have expressed what I feel about topics, rumours that have been posted concerning Manchester United . You seem to have taken personal affront to opinions that don't match up to your own. I find that slightly humorous as you are not Manchester United or any of the players at the club. I value your opinions as they mean as much as anybody elses. And to be honest we can all sit and intellectualise on issues that in reality we have no real insight into or power to influence. We all just have opinions. And none of them mean shit, they are just what we think is going on.
So please don't get upset or insulting if what I think does'nt match up to what you think should happen. After all, that is the nature of a good debate. It would be very dull if everyone agreed all of the time.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Don't deny I said that. But I asked you where I STARTED the insults. You waded in talking about me taking myself too seriously etc. etc. So I responded. A bit OTT maybe, but a response nonetheless to your rudeness, which was quite unnecessary. Why say that, if you believe in freedom of speech?

And I'll ask you again, what my opinion is - because I didn't start this thread as an opinion, but as a question for debate.
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Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>This is well unfair. How come Livvie gets a thread where she can argue with someone pointlessly, i want one now :( :mad: , anyone fancy it..??</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Why post a thread if don't believe it's going to happen or want it to happen? You posted a deliberatly provocative thread, get a bit of stick for it. And then get all upset because no one thinks its a good idea!!! Your to sensitive.
I thought this site was about Manchester United and not Livvie20?
 
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