VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

[Carl]

What did he do wrong? The one real mistake was the sending off, but you can see why he gave it. The problem there was the stupid VAR rule that prevents it from being used.

His general management of the game i thought was shit. He also did feck all the punish or prevent Lyon's quite absurd time wasting. He gave loads of really soft fouls too (mainly to Lyon).

The 2nd yellow was unlucky and an unintentional action but can see why he gave it seeing as it stopped a dangerous attack.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Why have VAR got involved for the Pen on Casemiro, pretty much zero contact, there's no clear error there at all? The second yellow for Tolliso in this game was also farcical. Lyon got absolutely done.

Ours was more of a penalty than the one Lyon got and the 2nd yellow was fully deserved

 

[Remember the geese]

Why have VAR got involved for the Pen on Casemiro, pretty much zero contact, there's no clear error there at all? The second yellow for Tolliso in this game was also farcical. Lyon got absolutely done.

Nice to see the correct decision being made for once. Very recently there was another one involving Casemiro (vs City) that was similar to this one. If the Premier League could start making the correct decisions too, we'd be well away.

 

[Bubz27]

The pen we got last night, we would not get in league.

Well we literally didn't get it against City. Same player, same incident, not given.

 

[Bubz27]

Second yellow was soft but Tolisso had been fouling and kicking the ball away all evening. It was coming for him.

 

[LeonDion]

Well we literally didn't get it against City. Same player, same incident, not given.

True

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

Second yellow was soft but Tolisso had been fouling and kicking the ball away all evening. It was coming for him.

Exactly. Tolisso was dancing with danger the entire second half.

Had that been the only other foul he'd committed after his yellow it'd have been harsh but he'd made several others before being sent off.

 

[Fitchett]

Exactly. Tolisso was dancing with danger the entire second half.

Had that been the only other foul he'd committed after his yellow it'd have been harsh but he'd made several others before being sent off.

Ref was poor last night. Lyon should have had a few more yellow cards before the sending off. It was a clear foul, so a yellow was deserved. Maguire should definitely have had a penalty straight after the one we did get. It was ridiculous that VAR had to give the penalty for the foul on Casemiro and not the on field ref in the first place.

Lyon were a horrible team, play acting and time wasting, as if they were a Spanish team.

 

[IRN-BRUno]

Tolisso didn't seem to have any complaints about the decision himself - “Unfortunately, I got this second yellow card that hurt us. With the experience that I have, I should be smarter, and not been in [the line of] his run”

 

[arnie_ni]

Tolisso didn't seem to have any complaints about the decision himself - “Unfortunately, I got this second yellow card that hurt us. With the experience that I have, I should be smarter, and not been in [the line of] his run”

It was purely accidental so it would be hard to swallow if it was the other way round but it was a very promising attack. Refs hands were almost tied and he had to give a yellow even though it's harsh and not your usual stop a counter attack foul.

 

[Fr. Todd Unctious]

Just watching Aussie Rules on TNT and their eqiuvilant of VAR for scoring you can hear the video official in the stadium when he's giving his decision.

 

[Mb194dc]

It was purely accidental so it would be hard to swallow if it was the other way round but it was a very promising attack. Refs hands were almost tied and he had to give a yellow even though it's harsh and not your usual stop a counter attack foul.

Are their hands tied for dissent and other yellow card offences they if ignore multiple times every game?

Refs make it up as they go along pretty much, one game will see cards for an offence and in the next game exactly the same thing and nothing.

It's another reason why var is so rubbish and unworkable in the sport.

How many times this weekend already holding at corners and no pen ? Yet Arsenal got one mid week.

It's nonsense.

 

[CheDon]

The whole 'clear and obvious' standard is meaningless. In reality, every single time the ball now goes in the net nobody is sure whether or not it's going to stand as a goal until around 30 second after it crosses the line, on average. Sometimes much, much longer.

Every time someone scores there's literally a team whose job it is to try and identify a reason why it should be ruled out. I think it's fairly mental that there's any football fan that openly celebrate that

 

[Flying high]

Looking forward to weeks of analysis over the late foul from their keeper on Mount.

I'm certain that the press will be all over it, given he went in studs first.

 

[Golden Nugget]

Looking forward to weeks of analysis over the late foul from their keeper on Mount.

I'm certain that the press will be all over it, given he went in studs first.

I was surprised it was waved away and no check was done. The commentator said the goalkeeper didn’t mean it, so I guess that’s ok then.

 

[Flying high]

I was surprised it was waved away and no check was done. The commentator said the goalkeeper didn’t mean it, so I guess that’s ok then.

I don't actually want to see penalties given for things like that.

I'm just annoyed at the hypocrisy, given that the challenge today was much later than Onana's supposed assault on their player which was literally being talked about months later.

Maybe I'm wrong and it actually will be treated the same by the totally unbiased football media...

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

I was surprised it was waved away and no check was done. The commentator said the goalkeeper didn’t mean it, so I guess that’s ok then.

I think I watched the same stream. Whoever the Geordie co-commentator was, he was awful. Every foul we won was because of a dive, according to him. And then Mount gets studded by a late and clumsy challenge, but "he didn't mean to" so no worries.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

Guarantee that Leicester goal isn't disallowed if it's Onana and not Alisson. People would just be calling him a clown and saying he needs to be stronger.

 

[KKidAA]

Guarantee that Leicester goal isn't disallowed if it's Onana and not Alisson. People would just be calling him a clown and saying he needs to be stronger.

Of course followed up by a goal where there's a man down with what looks like a head injury in the 6 yard box. Regardless of whether he's pretending to be hurt, refs blow up there all the time.

 

[CheDon]

VAR will flourish in no small part due up petty, reductive, fan rivalries.

Someone who can see that it's killing the game will still demand their team's long-shot penalty shout is reviewed at length, not because they think it's a penalty, but because of perceived unfairness that someone else's got checked and theirs didn't.

City fans will always cheer a questionable VAR decision against United and visa versa. Hence VAR will continue to be a pervasive presence because there's never going to be a consensus against it.

Did the last big VAR call go for or against your biggest rivals?

Against?

This is hilarious, rules is rules. Can't argue with it. They need to suck it up

For?

Ridiculous. It's running the game. It needs scrapping.

VAR's continuation will always owe much to at least 50% of people pretending to like it because the latest incident did over a rival.

 

[Withnail]

VAR is not flourishing and won't for any of those reasons. What are you on about?

 

[Uniquim]

Posting this here too, since not everyone reads the La Liga thread.

AS have an article up, with the La Liga table as is (left-hand side) and without VAR decisions (right-hand side).

From the article:
Barcelona have had the most VAR interventions in La Liga going in their favour, having 13 situations without a positive result, whilst Real Madrid have had 15 of 21 going against them.

VAR use have been on the rise, and with 6 matchdays left, there's already been 8 more interventions than during the 2023/24 season. It's close to be o course for a new record high number of VAR interventions, with 162 interventions so far this season, and the record being 179 interventions in 2022/23.

 

[CheDon]

I'd love to see a timeline evolution for the arguments made for and in defence of VAR that started with assurances it would be to avoid incidents such as the Henry handball against Ireland, through to insisting its right we take several minutes for the VAR to decide if someone's left testicle was interfering with play so it's right that goal was ruled out.

 

[Shane88]

The "keeper going down to time waste because he can't leave the pitch" loophole needs to be closed.

Want to go down to time waste or for a team talk (looking at you, Lego Head) then off you and an outfield player goes in net for a minute.

 

[RobinLFC]

Posting this here too, since not everyone reads the La Liga thread.

AS have an article up, with the La Liga table as is (left-hand side) and without VAR decisions (right-hand side).

From the article:
Barcelona have had the most VAR interventions in La Liga going in their favour, having 13 situations without a positive result, whilst Real Madrid have had 15 of 21 going against them.

VAR use have been on the rise, and with 6 matchdays left, there's already been 8 more interventions than during the 2023/24 season. It's close to be o course for a new record high number of VAR interventions, with 162 interventions so far this season, and the record being 179 interventions in 2022/23.

This mainly proves that Real gets a lot of on-field decisions in their favor which are debatable at the least and plain wrong at most - which is not really that surprising imo.

 

[giorno]

This mainly proves that Real gets a lot of on-field decisions in their favor which are debatable at the least and plain wrong at most - which is not really that surprising imo.

Yes and no. The way they do that is nonsense. They basically estrapolate points off of things such as psnalties, disallowed goals, etc, as if the game wouldn't change because of it