VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Red_Aaron said:
Laughable refereeing last night

Onfield correctly denies the first pen shout but VAR intervenes to incorrectly give it

Onfield incorrectly gives the second pen shout, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly calls the third pen shout, VAR agrees with the call (this is probably the most ambiguous at least)

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a red, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a fourth pen but VAR finally intervenes and gets it right assisted in no small part by the benefitting player actually telling the ref he was wrong

5 big decisions only 1 of which gets the correct outcome. He was also throwing yellows around for no apparent reason. Thankfully we benefitted at least. Absolute shambles
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It was 100% a Red.

The penalties could have gone one way or another depending on the Ref on the day. For example if Oliver was on the pitch or on VAR. I doubt we get any of those penalties.
 
Red_Aaron said:
Laughable refereeing last night

Onfield correctly denies the first pen shout but VAR intervenes to incorrectly give it

Onfield incorrectly gives the second pen shout, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly calls the third pen shout, VAR agrees with the call (this is probably the most ambiguous at least)

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a red, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a fourth pen but VAR finally intervenes and gets it right assisted in no small part by the benefitting player actually telling the ref he was wrong

5 big decisions only 1 of which gets the correct outcome. He was also throwing yellows around for no apparent reason. Thankfully we benefitted at least. Absolute shambles
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First pen for Sociadad was soft, on field call was fine, no clear error, no reason for VAR to review it.

First Utd pen very soft but OK for VAR also not to intervene as there is some contact.

Second Utd pen is a travesty, defender just standing there. That's a clear error and should be overturned...

Red is harsh, there's a covering defender 5m away and it's 45 yards from goal. 9/10 times not a red but also VAR should and does leave it on the pitch.

3rd utd pen, defender touches the ball, VAR review ok.
 
Red_Aaron said:
Laughable refereeing last night

Onfield correctly denies the first pen shout but VAR intervenes to incorrectly give it

Onfield incorrectly gives the second pen shout, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly calls the third pen shout, VAR agrees with the call (this is probably the most ambiguous at least)

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a red, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a fourth pen but VAR finally intervenes and gets it right assisted in no small part by the benefitting player actually telling the ref he was wrong

5 big decisions only 1 of which gets the correct outcome. He was also throwing yellows around for no apparent reason. Thankfully we benefitted at least. Absolute shambles
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Over 10 yellow cards + 1 red and barely a bad tackle all game.

That being said, most of the Sociedad bookings came from cynical tackles and pushes etc. Nice to see a referee punish that kind of shite for once.
 
Posh Red said:
That Hojlund penalty never gets given in the premier league, to be honest.
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I have to say, in the ground live it looked a nailed on pen. Just looked like he went through the back of him first... Can see why the ref gave it live and why VAR didn't intervene.
 
SER19 said:
Get rid of it. The tech is great the officials are sad little ego nerds who ruin the game
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The "tech is great". It's just a video replay FFS.

Increasingly think that the VAR sympathisers just don't have basic understanding of football or indeed human nature.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I have to say, in the ground live it looked a nailed on pen. Just looked like he went through the back of him first... Can see why the ref gave it live and why VAR didn't intervene.
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I don't see how anyone can argue with that one, he's prevented Hojlund from getting a proper contact and is absolutely nowhere near getting the ball. It's 100% a foul anywhere else on the pitch so why would it not be a penalty?

Thought the red card was ridiculous, and the other 2 pens he gave you see given all the time.
 
KKidAA said:
I don't see how anyone can argue with that one, he's prevented Hojlund from getting a proper contact and is absolutely nowhere near getting the ball. It's 100% a foul anywhere else on the pitch so why would it not be a penalty?

Thought the red card was ridiculous, and the other 2 pens he gave you see given all the time.
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I think all the pens were right. The red card is debatable, but if he doesn't bring him down, I think it's quite easy to argue it would have been a clear goalscoring opportunity (he'd have been face to face with the keeper within the next 5 seconds and there wasn't really any other defender that was catching up with him).

It was also consistent with this specific ref's hard approach.
 
Red_Aaron said:
Laughable refereeing last night

Onfield correctly denies the first pen shout but VAR intervenes to incorrectly give it

Onfield incorrectly gives the second pen shout, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly calls the third pen shout, VAR agrees with the call (this is probably the most ambiguous at least)

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a red, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a fourth pen but VAR finally intervenes and gets it right assisted in no small part by the benefitting player actually telling the ref he was wrong

5 big decisions only 1 of which gets the correct outcome. He was also throwing yellows around for no apparent reason. Thankfully we benefitted at least. Absolute shambles
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The red was pretty obvious DOGSO and I think the second Pen (our first) was also a foul and generally would get called. Imagine the roles were reversed and one of our players was the one making these challenges and the result wasn't a pen / red.

The whole world would've been up in arms.

The only reason this is a controversy is because of the 3rd / 4th pens. I think the 3rd one and the 1st one even themselves out because both were so idiotic.
 
Every decision was just ambiguous enough that a case could be made either way, despite it being clear on balance that the opposite decision should have been given in most cases. Poor refereeing all round by Lewandowski.
 
VP said:
The "tech is great". It's just a video replay FFS.

Increasingly think that the VAR sympathisers just don't have basic understanding of football or indeed human nature.
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Yes, but it is quite incredible to have hd replays from multiple angles instantly available from a fast moving set of bodies. You take it for granted, not a long time ago you might have had 2 angles and in much worse quality. The tech is in fact great
 
Beachryan said:
I hate what football has become with VAR. None of the 5 (!) given penalties across the two legs should be penalties. Football with VAR is becoming penalty ball. It's so tedious. Penalties are themselves broken (80% chance of a goal), it's an inappropriate punishment for about 90% of infractions. And using VAR to frame hunt for said infractions is a joke.

All I can think is that the pundit-class and networks like it because penalties and refereeing decisions are easy to talk about, and they don't have to bother with actual analysis. Plus it gets fans angry, which gets engagement up.

It's ruined the sport I used to love.
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Yes, and you only have to ready through the match threads to see how it has changed perceptions of fouls. There were about 3 other incidents the other night that got a response along the lines of "Surely a Pen". I was perfectly comfortable with the old idea that a foul in the box needed to be a higher grade than one outside, the punishment is too high for what is often inconsequential contact.

I feel the same about the offside by a fingernail disallowed goals, no-one but the rule obsessed cared about those, it was the blatant missed calls by 2-3 yards that needed excising.

Back to match threads, the level of paranoia around refs is off the charts at the moment, not far off making those threads unreadable, you would think VAR would have helped there but if anything it has made it worse. The first 20/80 call that doesn't go Utds way and immediately the conspiracy theories start. Between that and crying about the commentators it is a shit show.
 
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There were 4 penalties across the 2 legs and if I was running the sport I would want 0 of them given. Insane where we are headed with slow motion & VAR
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
There were 4 penalties across the 2 legs and if I was running the sport I would want 0 of them given. Insane where we are headed with slow motion & VAR
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I personally feel like VAR is ruining the spectacle. That all the laws of the game were designed with analogue reffing in mind.

That there are loads of grey areas in laws, from handball, holding in the box and degrees of contact for penalties. Along with laws like 6 second gk indirect fk and foul throws that are almost never enforced at all. Offside is to stop goal hanging, not a toe 1cm off.

You put in digital reffing in to it and all you get is an inconsistent mess. More controversy, selective reviewing of very similar plays in one game or another. It slows the game down and even more controversy than before.

Just an awful mess.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Exactly this, heard people say this puts the argument to bed, but it doesn't at all. As you say the ball could move slightly because of the turf shifting.

Also if both feet are hitting at the same time then wouldn't that be allowed as it is with free kicks? The laws only state you can't touch it again AFTER your first touch, not that you can't kick it with both feet at the exact same time.
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It also has to be said that the decision was made very quickly. As you say even from that slo-mo it doesn't seem conclusive that the foot caused the slight movement of the ball. There's no way the VAR could have conclusively determined it was a double touch in the minute or so it took them to make the decision.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yep. Although less dangerous. So I think Partey’s was the worse challenge. Both blatant red cards.
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Are refs afraid of «ruining» these rivalries? Instead, they come in danger of actually ruining players. Refs are there to protect the players and see that the game is played by the rules. A ref may miss things, but VAR, no excuse.

And when commentators praise the refs for setting a high bar, there shouldn’t be anything but one bar. It makes fouls and warnings completely arbitrary.
 
Cucurella's clear handball at the beginning aswell, pushing his arm while diving to accelerate the ball away. Why does the VAR even exist when there are so many obvious situations happening?
 
I’d like to see another clip of the offside lines then. The freeze frame they were using looked like the ball was nowhere near the assister’s foot?
 
Thought there was an obvious foul in midfield not given that led to the incident where Heaven broke his leg. His entire career could now be different because refs are scared to just make a call and instead rely on VAR.

Not suggesting that this was a VAR sort of offense in itself, but it’s changed the way refs call fouls.
 
Can't believe VAR didn't ask the ref to look at that challenge on De Ligt again
 
We should be asking for an official explanation as to why we’ve just been missing Dorgu for 3 games while VAR didn’t deem that challenge worthy of a second look.
 
Hardly post in this thread but the performance from the ref has been absolutely disgusting. The tackle situation with Heaven is circumstantial but Ndidi should have seen a red and Faes a yellow for the Harry Kane fatality special.

Diabolical officiating standards again.
 
Redstain said:
Hardly post in this thread but the performance from the ref has been absolutely disgusting. The tackle situation with Heaven is circumstantial but Ndidi should have seen a red and Faes a yellow for the Harry Kane fatality special.

Diabolical officiating standards again.
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Faes should've had a yellow for the pullback too. Leicester could easily have been down to 9.
 
Honestly ridiculous that Faes was not sent off today.

It was clear as day what he was trying to do by leaning into Josh; and he'd already gone after him a few minutes prior.

Refs basically not protecting our players.
 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgenyp53plpo

Premier League to introduce semi-automated offside technology​

The Premier League is to introduce semi-automated offside technology for the round of fixtures starting on Saturday 12 April.

The decision follows non-live testing in the Premier League and its launch in English football during the FA Cup fifth round at the end of February.

Semi-automated offside technology is designed to make the judgement of tight offside calls easier for officials by rendering key parts of the process automatic.

It automates key elements of the offside decision-making process to support the video assistant referee (VAR), and the Premier League said it "enhances the speed, efficiency, and consistency of offside decision-making".
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