VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

This is the best angle and resolution I've seen (mute it first):



This is the closest I've seen to evidence for a double touch but even at that, I don't think you can definitively say it's his standing/slipping foot that hits it and not the turf between that foot and the ball.


Exactly this, heard people say this puts the argument to bed, but it doesn't at all. As you say the ball could move slightly because of the turf shifting.

Also if both feet are hitting at the same time then wouldn't that be allowed as it is with free kicks? The laws only state you can't touch it again AFTER your first touch, not that you can't kick it with both feet at the exact same time.
 
Does the clear an obvious apply to VAR checks for pens?

Presumably they check them all for infringements like double contact, the goalie leaving his line etc as a matter of course which would fall outside of the clear and obvious process.

You maybe right, I'm not sure what the stipulations are here and whether it's a different case based on whether it's actually overturning an on-field decision or not.

I just don't see how they can clearly decipher it one way or the other, I would have thought in that situation with it being such a big call and no obvious appeal from the other side that you would give them the benefit of the doubt. All the angles and all the slow-mo's I've seen I still can't see any definitive double-touch of the ball.

I'm sure if that stood and Atletico went through Real would probably boycott the Ballon D'or for the rest of the century in protest so maybe they've ruled in their favour to save them dealing with the petulant fallout...
 
Agreed - it's not decipherable frame-by-frame to the point it's 'clear and obvious' for me which is what VAR is supposed to be for.
This was my immediate reaction as well. I think a lot more fans would be on board with VAR if the "clear and obvious" standard were applied consistently.

If you need frame-by-frame breakdowns or several minutes to review footage (not the case in this situation, but a common occurrence with VAR reviews nonetheless), then by definition it's not "clear and obvious".
 
An abomination of a VAR call...and I'm not even a fan of Atletico and their shithouse tactics under the sniveling shitbag Diego Simeone, man whose antics in 1998 were a disgrace to the game and put David Beckham in physical danger.
 
That should never be a penalty. Technically it was a trip, but come on, that's ridiculous.

But on what grounds was he given a yellow card? I don't understand that at all.
 
Get rid of it. The tech is great the officials are sad little ego nerds who ruin the game
 
Denies clearest possible chance with tackle from behind, but no red card. Okay, I see what we're up against tonight.
 
Then punch on RH isn't a pen for me but what's the difference between it and the uproar after the onana punch incident?
 
The rule has changed

The rule being that a genuine attempt to get the ball isn't punished with a red card when a penalty is given. But he had no hope of getting the ball without going through the player. It was clearly a foul to stop him shooting freely, hence a red card.
 
Funniest ref performances I've seen in ages

He was genuinely so thrilled to send their player off... I could see this hard-on from the Stretford End!
 
only one clear penalty which should have resulted in a red card

All other decisions were soft but not wrong.

After the pen he VAR gave to sociadad I couldn‘t care less… never a foul
 
Dorgu penalty id be fuming if that was given against us.
Never a penalty in a million years.
Red card was also pretty generous. Far from a clear goal scoring opportunity given where the other defender was.
We’ve used up a bit of luck tonight for sure
 
Wish he was reffing our games every time we came against Spanish opponents. Seemed to have a real grudge against them. Dorgu even have to tell him it wasn’t a penalty
 
I hate what football has become with VAR. None of the 5 (!) given penalties across the two legs should be penalties. Football with VAR is becoming penalty ball. It's so tedious. Penalties are themselves broken (80% chance of a goal), it's an inappropriate punishment for about 90% of infractions. And using VAR to frame hunt for said infractions is a joke.

All I can think is that the pundit-class and networks like it because penalties and refereeing decisions are easy to talk about, and they don't have to bother with actual analysis. Plus it gets fans angry, which gets engagement up.

It's ruined the sport I used to love.
 
Laughable refereeing last night

Onfield correctly denies the first pen shout but VAR intervenes to incorrectly give it

Onfield incorrectly gives the second pen shout, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly calls the third pen shout, VAR agrees with the call (this is probably the most ambiguous at least)

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a red, VAR agrees

Onfield ref incorrectly gives a fourth pen but VAR finally intervenes and gets it right assisted in no small part by the benefitting player actually telling the ref he was wrong

5 big decisions only 1 of which gets the correct outcome. He was also throwing yellows around for no apparent reason. Thankfully we benefitted at least. Absolute shambles
 
Just watched the highlights.

I think the ref was right to give a foul on DeLigt for the Sociadad penalty. Absolutly no idea why VAR got involved. I also think it made job of the ref much harder for the rest of the game.

Red card was harsh but not wrong.

Dorgu penalties: First one, shouldn't be given but not very clever of the defender. Second one, was a penalty but seems Dorgu wanted to stop that madness after all that.
 
Has a referee ever been sent to the screen and then not given the penalty?

Not that I can recall, it's nothing more than an exercise of face saving pantomime. To make it look like the Ref is overturning his decision and not the VAR.

It's a waste of time. Even more so when the VAR agrees with the onfield decision but they still send the Ref to the monitor for some unknown reason.