VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion

Powderfinger said:
Yeah, exactly. As with previous year concerns with stuff like managers straying out of the technical area, players taking too long on throw ins, or players who aren't the captain appealing to the referee its another example of PGMOL being a moronic organization and deciding to concern themselves with petty bullshit rather than trying to figure out how to do better at the important things, like getting violent conduct and penalty decisions right. And the same pattern is likely to happen as those previous rule emphases - they'll enforce it totally inconsistently for a while, and then they'll eventually give up enforcing it at all.
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Yeah, next time he makes a challenge it'll just be a penalty and it'll be deserved because he got away with one.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Dermott Gallagher say the Martinez challenge wasnt a red because he didnt make contact with the player

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Unless of course the on-field ref gave a red. In which case, Dermott Gallagher would say it's a red.
 
So Haaland will escape punishment for throwing the ball at Gabriel's head after scoring. Can our players do that without getting sent off?
 
duffer said:
No he wasn't. He was sent of for swinging at him.

I remember Keane himself saying his only regret was that the punch was a rubbish one.
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The punch attempt was after the red card. Keane was sent off for throwing the ball at Shearer then he started running towards Shearer to try punch him. At least that's what the video clips on YT show
 
duffer said:
He was sent off for the punch attempt. Keane himself said so.
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Watch the YT clips...

edit: you're right. Most of the YT clips don't show the punch cause of attempted violence I guess :D

I did find a clip and saw the punch
 
I wouldn't scream "conspiracy" if Martinez had been sent off - to put it that way. When I saw the replay, it didn't look quite as bad because he wasn't really close to the player - but the way he set his feet down was red-ish
 
Oranges038 said:
Keane may have already been on a yellow. Ref only had a yellow and took out the straight red after the swing, because the yellow fell to the ground.
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yeah this was the last clip I saw which confirmed the punch to me. I literally searched up the videos to back up my statement and 3 of them were edited and show no punch, hence why i thought it was for the throw at Shearer haha
 
I'm just so tired of the "dark arts" now. It's a fecking poison on the sport. When I'm watching top flight matches these days I'm just sighing, rolling my eyes and getting angry at all the time-wasting, fake injuries, tactical injuries for team talks, tactical fouls that stop some actual fecking football being played. You can just tell all this rubbish is actually worked on in training too.

This win at any cost shite is ruining the sport.
 
More and more people are coming around to the idea that VAR is a bit shit and adds very little to the actual enjoyment of the game.

And here's the thing: I kinda believe we - as fans - can get rid of it. It's one of the few aspects of the top level, increasingly soulless, treating-fans-as-consumers, ultra-monetized game I think we have a plausible influence over...if we care to protest against it on a large enough scale.

It's not something the (utterly corrupt) football authorities are attached to for financial reasons. They would make just as much money without it, presumably.
 
V.O. said:
You Germans booing Cucurella for the rest of the tournament for a correct refereeing decision while Spain strolled to a well-deserved victory was hilariously small time. Thanks for reminding us again.
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matches of the Nationalmannschaft, especially during the big tournaments, attract a special kind of audience, the kind that makes up for having no clue about the sport, and no interest in it otherwise, by having a strong concept of who "ze enemy" is. I'm sure that is completely different in other countries :D
 
Shane88 said:
I'm just so tired of the "dark arts" now. It's a fecking poison on the sport. When I'm watching top flight matches these days I'm just sighing, rolling my eyes and getting angry at all the time-wasting, fake injuries, tactical injuries for team talks, tactical fouls that stop some actual fecking football being played. You can just tell all this rubbish is actually worked on in training too.

This win at any cost shite is ruining the sport.
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And semi supported by media and commentators.

Goalie takes ages for a goal kick… he’s cleverly giving his team chance to regroup

Dives/go down easy… he’s clever to win his team a free kick

Clipping someone’s heels … right decision, took one for the team

All should be booked, every time. Then when they get to reds, their managers can have their five minute moan … before they eventually realise its here to stay and tell their players to stop it as it’s costing them results.

But I know refs would be inconsistent and it’d create uproar re bias.
 
Shane88 said:
I'm just so tired of the "dark arts" now. It's a fecking poison on the sport. When I'm watching top flight matches these days I'm just sighing, rolling my eyes and getting angry at all the time-wasting, fake injuries, tactical injuries for team talks, tactical fouls that stop some actual fecking football being played. You can just tell all this rubbish is actually worked on in training too.

This win at any cost shite is ruining the sport.
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Agreed on all of this, for what was billed as a battle of the big two teams at the weekend it just devolved into children trying to get other side in trouble. Pathetic, and one of the worst spectacles I've seen in the league. It needs addressed.

It won't be Sky or their pundits that help with the changing either, they have a product to protect.
 
Berbasbullet said:
I’m shocked it wasn’t, the Arsenal player just goes running into the keeper with their back to stop him.
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The previous corner where he missed the header was almost identical and they gave a foul on that one
 
Top referees in England have effectively been stopped from officiating in matches in Gulf states and other domestic leagues after controversy over the lucrative sideline blew up last year.

No requests have been made to Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), the body that oversees elite referees in England, for such one-off matches since last October, when chief refereeing officer Howard Webb decided that approval would only be granted if there was a “development opportunity” for the match officials, such as for young referees to gain experience.
That decision followed controversy over Michael Oliver, Darren England and Dan Cook taking charge of a match in the United Arab Emirates less than 48 hours before a terrible VAR blunder in Liverpool’s 2-1 defeat by Tottenham Hotspur on September 30 last year, prompting a review of the situation from Webb.
Oliver had previously refereed a league match in Saudi Arabia, being paid a reported £3,000 fee to do so. The practice led to questions over whether it was a good look for the Premier League, given that Manchester City are owned by the vice-president of the UAE, while Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund owns Newcastle United.

Although the matches in the Gulf were approved by PGMOL, and there is no suggestion of anything untoward, many fans also regard it as a conflict of interest.
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Poor Michael will have to get creative to pay for his Christmas shopping
 
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It's nice that it de facto stopped for top refs, but it'd be a lot better if it was firmly ruled out, in writing, and no loopholes like "development opportunity" left open.
 
Mental decision but was never going to be anything else after the furore around Martinez not getting a red.
 
I just assumed it would be reviewed and overturned. Never a red card. Still can’t believe it.

As shocking as we’ve been that kills any glimmer of hope.
 
Feels like genuine lottery these days. How can that be a straight red? Absolute nonsense. We will see worse in this match alone maybe not even get a yellow.
 
I don’t watch any Premier League football outside of United now. If that’s a red then I’m happy not to. It’s the softest straight red I think I’ve ever seen. That’s without even considering the slip.
 
I think that's it for me. Been going mad about refs for years and it simply ruins the game. I can live with United being diabolical, that's sport. But it just isn't a red card. There's nothing to argue. Straightforward yellow.
 
Feels like the ref took his chance to send of a player who most refs probably hate. Never a red, however given how shit Bruno has been, it's probably for the better
 
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