The two situations were not remotely similar, and are you suggesting because one referee once may have made a mistake, we should now keep repeating that mistake forever? Because that is moronic.
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Rules are there to be followed. However, we have been on wrong side in many occasions where same rules were looked at in different way. We can't have one rule for ManUtd and one rule for others.
I don't think Schar's tackle was comparable with those, but it was clearly reckless and a yellow.
He had already taken Bruno down on the halfway line, so should have been walking either way.
We’ve had some shit decisions recently but the ref was absolutely fine today, if anything he let the game flow and was in charge throughout.
We lost because we’re shite so stop trying to insinuate there’s this huge conspiracy against us, it’s embarrassing.
We don’t. The situations are not similar. The goal against us was allowed because it happened instantly after DDG had come down injured, and the ref hadn’t spotted it. If DDG had been lying for as long as Pope did, the ref would have blown his whistle. It’s beyond desperate to focus on this situation, which undeniably was handled correctly by the ref, after a game like this.
This is, of course, biased nonsense as I’m sure you’ll be the first to accept. The refereeing is consistently inconsistent, look at how Wolves have been treated this season with three apologies already from PGMOL. Last season we had five, the most in Premier League history.
There’s no conspiracy against Manchester United any more than there was against us last season, or Wolves this season.
Even more bafflingly, the referee gave the absolute correct decision in line with the Laws of the Game.
Maybe save the conspiracy stuff until you’ve been genuinely wronged a number of games in a row, not just because you lost and got completely outplayed and need a scapegoat.
Was it the rule when Smith-Rowe shot past a crumpled De Gea?
Read my other replies to the same poster.
It didn't happened instantly. Ball was cleared and I would say it took at least 10 seconds from injury which is lot for referee to notice that. Specially when he had good view. And if he didn't you got VAR who said it was fine. Despite being a rule as you said.
Lets see.
Game against Arsenal. Garnacho gets a clear goal disallowed and Arsenal score moments later when there was clear obstruction on Evans.
Game against Tottenham. When it was 0-0, Tottenham defender played like goalkeeper.
Game against ManCIty. A ghost penalty for situations that happen every game and at pretty much every corner.
Game against Crystal Palace. C P scores a goal almost in same way as Evans got his rules out against Burnley for a "player in offside position". We should had penalty but nothing given.
That is 4 games with big impact from referees and VAR. Games we could have won if those decisions were not made in that moment..
I'm not blaming referees for lost game today. We were poor. But once again, we are getting decisions against us. Same decisions that are not watched in same way in other games.
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That's just Newcastle's nickname
Thats how i see it. I think it'd be straight red for one of our players too though.
I criticise refs maybe more than anybody. He was fine tonight. Terrible decision not to book schar, and then another terrible one to play on when schar fouled fernandes, but not exactly game changing and he generally tried to do the same both ways. I wouldnt shudder if i see his name on our game again, and thats about the best compliment i can give an english ref at the minute. I'd return to the days where you generally accept a couple of bad calls in the to and fro of the centre of the pitch, once the ref isnt imposing himself all over the game and making mental game changing calls like weve seen this season.
I'd agree with that as well to be honest. I might be more grumpy in a closer match but thought he was generally good.
No, it wasn't any more than 5 seconds. It is not in any way similar to today.
This thread annoys me.
Everyone’s expressing sympathy with Wolves for the decisions that have gone against them this season, yet when they club the majority on this board supposedly supports has potentially game-changing decisions go against them people are falling over themselves to go “we were shit and the ref didn’t cause us to lose that game”.
Nobody’s saying that Wolves should suck it up and be better, instead expressing massive sympathy with them. It’s even more important that the calls that need to go in your favour do so in a fair manner when you’re a team stuck in a rut.
Schär’s first yellow card incident where he gets done on the counter and sticks his leg out at a 90 degree angle from his body only to stop Bruno is such a blatant yellow card that it’s bordering on malpractice not to give it. The second yellow card incident probably doesn’t happen the same way if he’s on a yellow but as they happened, both are clear yellows which allowed their players to be more aggressive than what was reasonable, which obviously played into their hands as a physical side and gave them the edge in the game.
That being said, I thought the ref otherwise had a very good game and set a good consistent level as to what constituted a foul, but those two incidents were potentially game-changing and were necessary for us to get to have a chance to apply pressure earlier. If it had been Wolves against Liverpool nobody would’ve said “well Wolves are shite it’s not the ref’s fault they lost”. Instead, people would’ve pointed to the importance of the lesser team on the day getting fair decisions in making it an even contest and giving the worse team on the day a chance to get a result.
Everyone’s expressing sympathy with Wolves for the decisions that have gone against them this season, yet when they club the majority on this board supposedly supports has potentially game-changing decisions go against them people are falling over themselves to go “we were shit and the ref didn’t cause us to lose that game”.
Nobody’s saying that Wolves should suck it up and be better, instead expressing massive sympathy with them. It’s even more important that the calls that need to go in your favour do so in a fair manner when you’re a team stuck in a rut.
Schär’s first yellow card incident where he gets done on the counter and sticks his leg out at a 90 degree angle from his body only to stop Bruno is such a blatant yellow card that it’s bordering on malpractice not to give it. The second yellow card incident probably doesn’t happen the same way if he’s on a yellow but as they happened, both are clear yellows which allowed their players to be more aggressive than what was reasonable, which obviously played into their hands as a physical side and gave them the edge in the game.
That being said, I thought the ref otherwise had a very good game and set a good consistent level as to what constituted a foul, but those two incidents were potentially game-changing and were necessary for us to get to have a chance to apply pressure earlier. If it had been Wolves against Liverpool nobody would’ve said “well Wolves are shite it’s not the ref’s fault they lost”. Instead, people would’ve pointed to the importance of the lesser team on the day getting fair decisions in making it an even contest and giving the worse team on the day a chance to get a result.
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We were shit and I doubt it would have mattered to the result yesterday as we were mauled 1-0, but the standard of officiating this year is just ridiculous. I really detest tactical fouling to break up a team's counterattack (probably because we've been a counterattacking team and also poor at tactical fouling for ages), and it's insulting intelligence that the ref didn't book Schär for his first foul on Fernandes to stop the break. The second foul, studs over the ball and onto the ankle, a clear yellow / borderline red. I mean this was the most obvious two yellow cards = one red you'll see all season. I suppose we should wait for the letters of apology and club statements?
And all this talk about refs letting the game flow. More nonsense. There was another tactical foul in the first half by Joelinton on Garnacho I think, where Joelinton turned around to apologise to the ref for the foul, only to find that the ref had played on.
None of this should disguise how bad we were and how deserved the Newcastle victory was, we weren't 'robbed by the refs', but it's been quite a long time since we've had such a dossier of shit decisions going against us (in PL and CL).
And all this talk about refs letting the game flow. More nonsense. There was another tactical foul in the first half by Joelinton on Garnacho I think, where Joelinton turned around to apologise to the ref for the foul, only to find that the ref had played on.
None of this should disguise how bad we were and how deserved the Newcastle victory was, we weren't 'robbed by the refs', but it's been quite a long time since we've had such a dossier of shit decisions going against us (in PL and CL).
Indeed. How well a team is playing shouldn't be part of the discussion around these sorts of mistakes. Don't really understand why it's mentioned all the time regarding us.
Im not sure Conor Gallagher can have any complaints about getting a 2nd yellow here
Another two points gained for Liverpool due to the offside mistake against Spurs. Tsimikas barges straight into the defender from behind as he heads the ball, but no foul is given as TAA scores the winner.
That call 
How many City players around the ref there?
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Best league in the world... because we also have the most inconsistent refs in the world (inadvertently) dictating the drama?
Not a complaint other than for the good of the game (yeah, f*ck City) but how does the ref wave the advantage but once Haaland puts the ball over the top to Grealish he blows the whistle to call it back? And after that, we saw a much weaker foul by Hojlund on Rodri go to review and get called a penalty, but today when the player is actually goal side of the Tottenham defender at the end and he gets pulled down there is no call?
We can expect a fine then?
Grealish should really have had a 2nd yellow for his behavior after Simon Cooper pulled it back for the foul
He then missed Caicedo getting a second booking twice in the space of two minutes.
Grealish was offside wasnt he?
Thats an insane call. How the hell to you first let them play and then when they are on at goal you call it back?
Funny because its City, but the refs in this league is beyond bad at the moment.
Funny because its City, but the refs in this league is beyond bad at the moment.
Why don't the teams all come together and just start their own ref process?
At the is point it's more rare to NOT have a game altering decision just being made incorrectly
At the is point it's more rare to NOT have a game altering decision just being made incorrectly
With how bad that call was, I'm surprised there weren't more. I've seen plenty of times when refs are surrounded and almost bullied into making calls, but on decisions like that, he deserves whatever he gets
No idea. Ref blew the whistle too soon to find out...
That was referee misstake but it is not like he was racing alone. He had 3 players beside him.
I look forward TheFa suspending Haaland for his outburst.
I look forward TheFa suspending Haaland for his outburst.
I thought he looked like he was offside and thats why they pulled it back
The ref did not give a freekick to Spurs for offside rather gave to city
No.
Thats not the point the ball is played so is the wrong frame
No, it's a fraction of a second before. Here's a fraction of a second after:
No offside.
Why is he blowing up if the linesman hasn't lifted his flag ? Can only be a brain fart of a decision.
He's changed his mind about playing the advantage with Grealish through on goal and brought it back to the free kick