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VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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I just love to debate where I'm absolutely right.
Disgraceful attempt at wumming I hope from you. If you're serious, time to watch a different sport.
Yeah ok.
Yeah that's what frustrated me the most with that. Regardless of whether you think it's actually a red or not, it completely went against the trend refs had set so far this season.
Felt like a right kick in the nuts.
Those two incidents in the Leverkusen win over Bayern are brilliant examples of VAR being used properly. Hilarious the ref booked the same player twice for diving before overturning both decisions and awarding penalties.
I don't completely hate Kavanagh, which is a nice change. (im probably forgetting a dozen previous matches that i did).
I imagine fulham do but looking back at it at a later point I wouldn't begrudge him if i was a supporter. Referee's take far more shit than they should tolerate and i think today's reaction to it should be standard really.
Silva wont say a word to him again after today, He thought he was taking a gamble on maybe being told to shut up or possibly a yellow he can use to act victimised about. Nope. Wont be doing that again. Repeat it against the next manager who gives him shit and every other manager will get the message and any non braindead player will too.
Separate from the big talking point he had a pretty consistent level of force allowed in tackling and made good choices with booking professional and cynical fouls fairly early. Thought he kept a good handle on the match basically. Maybe a bit harsh with cards (probably a bit harsh by the end) but its not like he made a secret of it.
Willian and Mitrovic he had no choice with. Theres nothing to talk about for him with that. It'd be weird if he didn't make the calls he did.
I imagine fulham do but looking back at it at a later point I wouldn't begrudge him if i was a supporter. Referee's take far more shit than they should tolerate and i think today's reaction to it should be standard really.
Silva wont say a word to him again after today, He thought he was taking a gamble on maybe being told to shut up or possibly a yellow he can use to act victimised about. Nope. Wont be doing that again. Repeat it against the next manager who gives him shit and every other manager will get the message and any non braindead player will too.
Separate from the big talking point he had a pretty consistent level of force allowed in tackling and made good choices with booking professional and cynical fouls fairly early. Thought he kept a good handle on the match basically. Maybe a bit harsh with cards (probably a bit harsh by the end) but its not like he made a secret of it.
Willian and Mitrovic he had no choice with. Theres nothing to talk about for him with that. It'd be weird if he didn't make the calls he did.
VAR is easily the main reason United won the match. On-field ref didn't give it, and that meant no goal, no red, and no second red.
e - Just watched the Bayern highlights...VAR even more decisive there. From 2 yellows for diving to 2 penalties, and probably the correct decision made after review in both cases. I think people underestimate how much referees don't see!
Indeed, in almost every game (not just United games) I've watched this season the officials have been woeful. The standard of Refs in England really is in the shitter.
Now the Premier League has to introduce mind-reading technology to detect whether the player consciously intended to touch the ball with his hand, as if VAR wasn't enough of a headache.
He punched the ball away ffs. It doesn't matter if he tucked his arms in before he did it.Don’t see or don’t call because they know VAR will review?
Willian was trying to stop with his body initially. But at the last moment when he was not able to do so, he used his hands. It was reflex more than intentional. But penalty nevertheless.
Reflex is intentional
In biology, a reflex, or reflex action, is an involuntary, unplanned sequence or action and nearly instantaneous response to a stimulus
We’re talking about the rules of football not biology.
The idea of non intentional in football is not to cover reflex. Its to cover the hand being in a natural position and not being able to get out of the way.
I know it was a penalty. But I hope people stop using intentional/ non-intentional to describe penalty decisions. 99% of time people would not intentionally stop the ball with hands, but do it as a reflex and has to be awarded penalty if a player deemed to have a chance to not do it.
Even the scousers couldn't defend the handball. Yet you have posters here from rival teams getting access to a united forum to write nonsense like this.
This must be the 1st time someone has got sent off for handball on the goal line and its seen as controversial or lucky for the attacking team 
Why would you hope people stop using terminology described in the rule book? Maybe you should just apply context
Also there are plenty of times handballs are intentional and nothing to do with reflex.
ABU alive and kickingThis must be the 1st time someone has got sent off for handball on the goal line and its seen as controversial or lucky for the attacking team
Your argument falls apart the moment you say "has to be intentional" (so yeah, first line). It was clearly an intentional movement. That's the point of the rule. Intentional doesn't mean that the player has to think "y'know what, I might just pick the ball up and see what happens. Why has nobody else thought of this".
The ole talksport is a cracker this morning calling continuously for Bruno to be banned too for Liverpool incident. Calling out inconsistency , honestly i nearly fell of my seat with laughter.
Absolute rubbish defence of the situation and i will go no further.
Is it a straight red for a manager if they try to influence the referee in any way whilst they're reviewing the VAR footage? Or is it more likely because of what Silva said exactly?
It's bizarre seeing this still debated on twitter and whatnot, I can't remember a more deliberate goal-denying handball since probably Suarez at the World Cup, and the shove on the referee is clear, but it's being discussed as some harsh injustice. It's irrelevant if Fulham were the better team up to that point. They were, but the game doesn't stop at 70 minutes. They got what they deserved from their implosion. Little bit of sympathy for Willian, what he did was entirely instinctive to stop a certain goal, though the outcome was correct. But Silva and Mitrovic were idiotic.
The ABUs are calling for a Bruno ban for what happened at Anfield, and he'd most likely have got one if the Linesman didn't grab Bruno first, twice. Players can't be physically handling officials, but that goes both ways.
It's bizarre seeing this still debated on twitter and whatnot, I can't remember a more deliberate goal-denying handball since probably Suarez at the World Cup, and the shove on the referee is clear, but it's being discussed as some harsh injustice. It's irrelevant if Fulham were the better team up to that point. They were, but the game doesn't stop at 70 minutes. They got what they deserved from their implosion. Little bit of sympathy for Willian, what he did was entirely instinctive to stop a certain goal, though the outcome was correct. But Silva and Mitrovic were idiotic.
The ABUs are calling for a Bruno ban for what happened at Anfield, and he'd most likely have got one if the Linesman didn't grab Bruno first, twice. Players can't be physically handling officials, but that goes both ways.
I’d say it’s the bolded one.
I’m sure they’ve made it very clear to clubs that it’ll lead to a sending off if any backroom staff tries to do that. If they didn’t it’d be chaos every time they go to the screen. Looking at his comments post-match, it seems Silva was very much aware of those rules.
It's funny how people conveniently forget that the linesman actually initiated the contact with Bruno twice in the first place.
Poor WUM, 2/10
Because they are donkeys who hate united. We get a right decision in our way and the reaction is outrageous from media and other fans. The Bruno incident has absolutely nothing in common with Mitrovic's one.
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We've all done a Willian before lets be honest... think anyone who's played has done that (or played in a game where someones done it), probably in the exact same sneaky way too.
His red card was the only understandable one. He's done well to get back on the line but the ball is going past him and he's instinctively put his arm out to block it, it's a blatant handball, a blatant pen and a blatant red card but I can see why he did it.
Silva and Mitrovic going insane afterwards is still confusing me now. What on earth were they doing?
They were furious about VAR not intervening when Fulham had a couple of penalty shouts denied earlier. At least one of which seemed legitimate (the Shaw push)
Good ol’ VAR. Removing all refereeing errors and controversy, exactly as planned.
To be fair to them - RefWatch on Sky (Dermot and the Gang) have done a very good job on showing/explaining the difference between Bruno's shove on the linesman and Mitro yesterday.
The Mitrovic one with Martinez was 100% not a penalty, it was an embarrassing dive.
The Shaw push was a better shout but it wasn't like it was some unbelievable travesty it wasn't given, it definitely wasn't enough of an excuse for them to go absolutely mental when Willian was sent off.
I definitely agree with you about VAR though. It's shite. Refs are now not making decisions on the pitch and relying on VAR to correct them.
Every single discussion about Mitrovic on the radio has started with "BUT WHAT ABOUT FERNANDES??"
Was funny seeing the lassie (apologies, I don't know her name) just saying 'I see what you're saying but I want both of them punished'
absolute halfwit.Sky Sports too.
Agreed.
Someone did think about it, they called it Rugby