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Both obvious red cards. The inconsistency is maddening.
Yeah that's the frustration essentially - the fact we've been frequently on the wrong end of this inconsistency - the 'chokes', the penalties not given to us (but similar ones given to our rivals) and now this tackle.Both obvious red cards. The inconsistency is maddening.
Yeah that's the frustration essentially - the fact we've been frequently on the wrong end of this inconsistency - the 'chokes', the penalties not given to us (but similar ones given to our rivals) and now this tackle.
Yeah, used to be a glance to the side and if the linesman was running to the middle you knew you were good. I miss it too.It’s very hard to know how often we are on the wrong end of crap decisions vs everyone else. Every fan always thinks their team is the most sinned against. Let‘s not forget that even in the specific example of Casemiro’s red vs the one last night, the only club who’s been treated unfairly is actually Brentford.
My beef will always be with VAR. It’s unacceptable to be STILL feeling hard done by after obviously bad decisions despite having to accept the many downsides of VAR. And I will never accept it as necessary even if the only downside was the way it’s spoilt the spontaneous joy of celebrating every goal that has even a hint of offside. So fecked up that my instant reaction to more or less every second goal my team scores has gone from “FECK YEAH!!!!” to “hmmm, that’ll be checked, might be offside “
Yeah, used to be a glance to the side and if the linesman was running to the middle you knew you were good. I miss it too.
Put yourself in the position of the referees.Yeah that's the frustration essentially - the fact we've been frequently on the wrong end of this inconsistency - the 'chokes', the penalties not given to us (but similar ones given to our rivals) and now this tackle.
If you give United the benefit of the doubt and award a decision to United you come under the microscope for the next few weeks or months.
If you don’t give United the benefit of the doubt, there is radio silence and you get an easy life.
Put yourself in the position of the referees.
If you give United the benefit of the doubt and award a decision to United you come under the microscope for the next few weeks or months.
If you don’t give United the benefit of the doubt, there is radio silence and you get an easy life.
Take the four penalty decisions that went against us. None of them featured on MOTD. Of even one of them was at the other end of the pitch let alone four and none of them were reviewed by VAR there would be questions on every football review show and it would be raised again and again before big matches putting pressure on the next referee.
It sounds like rawkish victim moaning but when it’s happening week in week out and the media are complicit with never holding the referee to account when it’s the opposition benefitting and spend weeks talking about it when it’s us it gets very frustrating.
Said it at the time. Casemiro was a right red but the issue was always going to be no other player gets the same redBoth obvious red cards. The inconsistency is maddening.
I'm sorry but that Pellestri yellow card is one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
Same as our goal against Reading where deliberately playing the ball doesn't count as deliberately playing the ball, except for when someone flicks a header on to SalahThats a really strange one that VAR review that just ruled out Newcastles 2nd goal for offside, if the defender delibrately played the ball that puts him onside dosnt it.
Honestly one of the most baffling calls I've seen this season. And that's saying something because I watch us get shafted on a weekly basis.
I can see why it was givenHonestly one of the most baffling calls I've seen this season. And that's saying something because I watch us get shafted on a weekly basis.
The second guy was challenged for the ball, but what about the first guy who cleared it out to the second guy? IMO offside should've reset on deliberate play by defender in the middle.I was fine with it, he challenged for the ball from and offside position and directly impacted the defender as a result
I was fine with it, he challenged for the ball from and offside position and directly impacted the defender as a result
If this seriously is offside then the game is completely broken.
If this seriously is offside then the game is completely broken.
Yeah clear-cut to me. Gains a big advantage from putting pressure on the defender from an offside position.I was fine with it, he challenged for the ball from and offside position and directly impacted the defender as a result
The second guy was challenged for the ball, but what about the first guy who cleared it out to the second guy? IMO offside should've reset on deliberate play by defender in the middle.
I agree and that’s why I can understand why our goal against Reading was disallowed because he just threw out his leg behind him to redirect the ball to Weghorst. But the clearance from the middle wasn’t obstructed in any way and he made a deliberate kick at the ball. I mean, we’ve seen how slide tackles that just nudge the ball are classed as deliberate plays (mbappe Nation’s League final, Kane one against Liverpool, Wolves defender flick to Salah), yet the Forest defender swinging his leg and clearing it out of the middle isn’t deliberately playing the ball? Doesn’t make sense to me.That's a clearance... It's the reason why that Salah goal vs Wolves (?) should have been offside.
If a player is just heading it or hacking it clear then that shouldn't be seen as "deliberate" IMO
On another day (for another team) one or both of those penalty incidents would be flagged by VAR and a penalty is awarded (and arguably the one on Garnacho, no idea how that wasn't deemed as bad or worse than Caemiro's). But in 26 matches now in the Premier League we've had 2 penalties and one of those when we were 6 goals down. We've had multiple stone wall penalties not only not given but half the time they don't even bother to review hem. I'm long past the point where I even expect them to review them or ever give us one. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get another penalty for the rest of the season as it's obvious to me we just aren't getting penalties for whatever reason.
In fact the only penalty we've had this season that we gained something from was vs Palace. Which was the same game that Andre Mariner and the VAR team decided they needed to even up by picking Casemiro grabbing someone's collar out of a 20 man scuffle full of pushes, grabs and slaps and give him a red card. The same Andre Mariner that went against protocol yesterday and asked the Ref to review a decision that he'd already seen and booked someone for, which wasn't a clear and obvious error.
If a scrape is good enough for a penalty (and even that's being kind for that Saints incident) how does Rashford not get a penalty last week?
Inconsistency again