That shows it is a red.
VAR, Refs and Linesmen | General Discussion
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Atleast Taylor is consistent here awarding yellows to both. The blame for Casemiros is on Marriner for interfering, he really left Taylor with no choice by getting involved and showing him a still of it at its worst
We need VAR panels that do two things differently than now.
First, independent from referees, no mixing with on-pitch officials, otherwise they support each other like a typical old boys club. I'd even consider bringing in foreign refs for those until UK refs can be trained to do the job but as a separate job from on-field.
Secondly, VAR needs to make the decision. What is the point of giving Taylor the illusion of choice when he's seeing one angle and not even a full replay as well. It's properly biased and doesn't facilitate good decision-making. This way Taylor gets the blame (and believe me he is a shit ref anyway) but can somewhat avoid responsibility for the dumb outcome because he's not seen all angles. Make Marriner sign his name to the decision, the inconsistent incompetent cnut.
Basically, VAR should be a second pair of eyes on the decision and overrule it when necessary (like with offsides), not just a recommendation that can be overruled by people who make the mistakes in the first place.
First, independent from referees, no mixing with on-pitch officials, otherwise they support each other like a typical old boys club. I'd even consider bringing in foreign refs for those until UK refs can be trained to do the job but as a separate job from on-field.
Secondly, VAR needs to make the decision. What is the point of giving Taylor the illusion of choice when he's seeing one angle and not even a full replay as well. It's properly biased and doesn't facilitate good decision-making. This way Taylor gets the blame (and believe me he is a shit ref anyway) but can somewhat avoid responsibility for the dumb outcome because he's not seen all angles. Make Marriner sign his name to the decision, the inconsistent incompetent cnut.
Basically, VAR should be a second pair of eyes on the decision and overrule it when necessary (like with offsides), not just a recommendation that can be overruled by people who make the mistakes in the first place.
Looks like Marriner missed the memo
The advantage is that he stops the ball going to Weghorst who is immediately behind him and 8 yards from goal. Its Weghorst so its not a dead cert but dear lord if you don't think that a striker being denied the ball in space 8 yards in front of goal is not "an advantage" I don't know what is.
That doesn’t even include the Weghorst one against Forest which was even more mind-boggling.
Refs are taking every chance to feck us from a position of absolute impunity.
Clear and obvious threshold always seems to be lower when it’s us on the end of a decision, but when it’s something that could go our way then it’s like “oh no we don’t want VAR re-refereeing games”
Or Weghorst v Leeds which was the worst of the lot. Or Villa away and that free kick
Var won't get cannee though, so the only solution is to improve it
Quite unbelievable
Forgot that free kick. Was the same bald cnut as today, too. It was blatantly obvious about five minutes in which way he was leaning too. Casemiro won the ball with a shoulder barge and he gave them a free kick, then a couple minutes later Antony’s pulled back by two hands on his shoulders from behind and he waves play on. Was only going one way from there.
If you want to see the level of refereeing, just see the ”foul” given at the end of the Arsenal match on Fabio Viera…absolutely laughable
United should be looking to get hold of the dialogue between Taylor and Marriner.
What did Taylor see and award the yellow card for and how did it differ from what Marriner saw?
If Taylor didn’t award the card for Casemiro going over the ball and catching his shin, what did he award it for? If he did award it for that and Marriner recommended he upgrade it to a red because he felt it was a red, that’s completely against protocol.
I’m sorry, but I think you may need to get your eyes checked.
This is a football forum. Other, and among them, non contact sports are separated.
That mctominay one is stone wall pen, I couldn’t belive it at the time and still can’t seeing it again.
First time I’ve seen the handball from today and that’s also a pen 9/10 times
This is what I don’t understand. Where did he think Casemiro foot landed when he gave the yellow?
It’s a nonsense that VAR is used to re referee a subjective decision taken by the on field referee a matter of yards from the incident. Any time you slow things down and freeze frame at impact, they look 100 times worse. In a way, it feels more appropriate to check if the on field ref has a rush of blood and gives a rash red rather than the other way round like we got today. Totally ridiculous use of the technology.
The McT and Sancho incidents are nailed on penalties. Likewise the on on Weghost a while ago.
The handball today isn’t a pen because of the guidelines around not awarding a pen if a players arms are supporting his weight after falling over. Plus it was obviously accidental, as he tried to pull his arm out of the way.
Looks to me like it’s the right arm supporting his fall, then as the ball comes in he readjusts his weight to block the ball with his body and that makes him “tip over” and forces him to use the second arm for support as well. I mean, that’s clearly not similar to the situation where a player makes a slide tackle with the arm underneath him.
I’d agree that it’s a natural way to be moving and playing football if you’re a crab but last time I checked Bella-Kotchap was in fact not a crab.
I’d love to see players abuse this stupid law though by crawling around on the field like crabs going “I’m just supporting myself while falling”, like Cedric against us last season who just decided that he was going to become a four-legged animal and move in a very natural way for a footballer.
I am not sure what you are tlaking about but you cannot go in with your stoods.
For some strange reason, we had what amounts to a panel of referees, which might as well have been Strictly Come Dancing.
Anthony Taylor ‘five!’
Andre Marriner ‘Ten! And I’ll show you a little video clip I doctored to emphasise it!’
Decisions even out over time apparently. Anyone know when it is likely to start for us?
Yeah, it's only the biggest possible advantage that can be gained from a defender handling the ball in their own box. The post you replied to is bonkers.You’re having a laugh aren’t you? Once he realised he’d lost balance he made sure that his arm with a player right behind him.
If a post on the Caf was a Specsavers ad...
The biggest tell is the way the defender reacts. He doesn’t pull his arm away like he did if he doesn’t think what he’s just done is a problem.
Can't believe that wasnt a red and today was, no consistency
Especially since it highlights whether VAR should intervene based on the decision on the pitch.
I think that Leicester tackle is a red card. However, given the bar that the PL has had this season, I would’ve been surprised but not shocked had the referee given a yellow card and VAR had said “well, there is a chance that this can be yellow so I’ll stay out of it”. But the fact that the referee hasn’t even given a yellow card makes it a clear and obvious mistake and should force VAR to intervene, because that is so far from the appropriate sanction that it has to be corrected.
Yet today, we get a situation where a player doesn’t intend to tackle someone with their studs up, foot changes direction after contact with ball and player retracts leg upon impact, and the same referee who didn’t deem the Leicester tackle a yellow card yesterday, that guy says “fecking hell, my colleague is absolutely mental to only show a yellow card for that, I have to get involved here!”.
Im pretty sick of it TBH. Arsenal get 10 minutes to score a third last week and today the ref was more than trigger happy to give Casemiro the red. It was a careless tackle but a red is pretty too much
Yep the club should definitely appeal this based on the Refs on the day deciding to make up the rules as they go along.
Same day, not even a yellow.
Absolute joke.
People will say it's inconsistency but it's weird how consistently inconsistent the Refs are when it comes to decisions against United.
This! Some here seems to have turned into Gary Neville the commentator, started becoming sorta biased against United in an attempt to look rational and unbiased.
That foot was lower but way more force and dangerous with more contact. It’s a joke
You can clearly see the keepers knee caught rashford. From another clip you can see that causes his left leg to hit his right causing him to fall.
that to me is borderline corrupt at this stage
Came to post this after just seeing it again. Out of all the decisions I actually think this one is the easiest one to give which they got wrong. Keeper touches his left heel which causes it to kick the back of his right leg. It’s a pen.
It's like one of those Nani 'dives' where he gets clipped while running at pace, goes down and gets called a diver.
Go check Chris foy commentating on this incident.
in his own words while the replay is showing: “Anthony Taylor is quite right to offer a goal kick. I couldn’t see any contact by the goalkeeper, I mean.. (and then he saw the contact, starts back-pedalling here)… we got the magnifying glass on that now which would determine… if we use a magnifying glass is it still clear an obvious?….
the trying to cover for their own is so blatantly obvious! They not even trying to hide it
good on Dion and Glenn for not taking his crap. He got clipped by the goalkeeper which was missed by the referee how is that not clear and obvious? By the same logic is casemiro clear and obvious?
By the way, both Glenn and Dion agreed that the handball was a penalty. Chris Foy even said that it hit his chest first and Glenn was like, er no… it hit his arm first. Chris Foy having a howler (like his eyes are not working) there trying to defend the indefensible
the ball has travelled a long way but hey why can’t the opposition have more than one goalkeeper?Utd played with 10 men against 2 goalkeepers + corrupt refs and we got a draw.
Biggest tell tale sign for me is that if it’s allowed then why can’t defenders just keep diving to stop the ball with their arms. I mean as long as the arm is on the ground it’s not a penalty right? I am still seething tbh. And this game is not even that important but the blatant biasness from
Marriner and Anthony (they already have a history) against United really got to me.