He should have got a second yellow for the dive as well.
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And then the Wolves player doesn't even get a yellow for that?
Just more of VAR not getting involved. What is the point of it.
Just more of VAR not getting involved. What is the point of it.
Not that I’m advocating that Liverpool should have had a penalty but the Ipswich goalkeeper cleaned out a Liverpool player after he’d taken a shot just as Onana did against Wolves last season. Today’s will never be mentioned again. Onana’s was referred back to the whole of last season.
BBC…. “Hang on, just on that Everton no-penalty...
In turns out there was a technical issue with the VAR screen so referee Simon Hooper wasn't able to see any replays. He overturned his decision on VAR's advice.”
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In turns out there was a technical issue with the VAR screen so referee Simon Hooper wasn't able to see any replays. He overturned his decision on VAR's advice.”
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He didn't clean him out at all. It looked worse in real time.
I can't find a decent replay online but Diaz was already moving through the air before the minimal contact. The ball was gone and he went looking for the contact.
Surely if the tech isn't working you either wait till it is, or don't use it
Wolves tried to get rid of VAR. First game of the season and they get a decision go their way. Last season that probably goes against them.
Howard Webb… (1) there will be no retrospective refereeing and (2) the on pitch official will ALWAYS make the final decisionSurely if the tech isn't working you either wait till it is, or don't use it
Surely that shouldn't be a penalty for West Ham. Cash plays the ball
They've raised the bar for overruling the ref even higher so we'll get more bad and/or inconsistent decisions.
They're actively sabotaging VAR
Don’t really get the point of VAR if they aren’t there to make the “right” decisions. If you not going to overrule the ref just use them for offsides and get on with it. So pathetic they have the tech to improve decisions yet they don’t but using a bizarre “not going to overrule the ref” rule.
They’ve done the opposite of what fans want. They’ve done exactly what referees want.
If we are going to have VAR, it has to be effective. Things going to review and then being ignored by VAR because the bar isn’t high enough, despite it being objectively a bad decision, is just going to bring more frustration to everyone aside from the referee on the field.
Exactly. Nobody cares about “rerefereeing” and “overruling the on field referee” apart from on field referees and who gives a feck what they want.
I'm watching this too, and on the VAR replay he clearly gets a nick on the ball before touching the other player, who throws himself down in any case. How in feck is that a penalty? Looks like these refs are determined to be the center of attention for yet another season.
So why do they ask the refs to go to the monitor? Is that overruling the ref and asking them to change their decision. We are definitely in for another season of pain.
Agree. Nothing they do is about ensuring they get to the right decision or really about improving the game as a spectacle. It's about self-preservation and protecting their egos as usual.
It’s a tough one, he clearly tangled his legs on to the WH player but already cleared the ball before that. Soft one imo but you can see why they gave it.
Feck sake, Cash gets a touch on the ball and then Soucek fouls Cash if anything.
It's Soucek that gets his foot in front of Cash's and the wraps his other leg around the same leg.
It's Soucek that gets his foot in front of Cash's and the wraps his other leg around the same leg.
Cash clearly gets the ball before the foul, never a penalty.
VAR has become ridiculous. The principle should be that important decisions like penalties and red cards are correct. Instead it's now just a cover for protecting bad refereeing decisions from scrutiny.
You either aim to get the correct decision the majority of the time (ie no stupid clear and obvious) or you scrap it altogether. The current version is just shite for everyone
Think they said on commentary that the word from the officials was something like, while Cash got a touch of the ball they didn't see it as a genuine attempt to play the ball, hence the penalty. What the feck
The thing that annoyed me was that he booked Maguire. Going down softly is not simulation if a foul has been committed, which it had.
There was a similar incident that stood out when Traore went down softly in exactly the same manner and got a free kick.
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Given his original foul (a clear yellow, which he got) and Schar gets a red for dropping the head an inch or two…. think Diaz should have gone too. Clearly moves head forward as well.. might not be as much but the rule isn’t how much, it’s the actual motion/contact.
Yeah, absolute bollocks. Didn't take long for the PL refereeing standards to be questioned. It's a joke every single bloody season.
To stand there for that time, then walk away and make the rectangle symbol (“I’ve watched it back”) is pathetic. He’s purely gone with what VAR have told him and Howard Webb guaranteed that wouldn’t happen.
Clowns.
They’ve basically given up on VAR other than offsides and things the referee has not actually seen at all. Every VAR decision is going to be determined to be “referee’s call”.
It really is so fecking frustrating because they promised big changes and improvements off the back of last season’s cluster feck and rather than listening to the feedback they have ignored it completely and gone in the opposite direction, pretending that the narrative has always been that nobody likes the referee being overruled which is utter, utter bollocks. The only people who don’t like referees being overruled is referees. Everyone else just wants objective decisions.
The biggest gripe with VAR is that despite the technology they are still making bad decisions and this is only going to be exaggerated this season as VAR basically gives cover to whatever ridiculous decision is made on the field in the blink of an eye from a really shitty angle.
It really is so fecking frustrating because they promised big changes and improvements off the back of last season’s cluster feck and rather than listening to the feedback they have ignored it completely and gone in the opposite direction, pretending that the narrative has always been that nobody likes the referee being overruled which is utter, utter bollocks. The only people who don’t like referees being overruled is referees. Everyone else just wants objective decisions.
The biggest gripe with VAR is that despite the technology they are still making bad decisions and this is only going to be exaggerated this season as VAR basically gives cover to whatever ridiculous decision is made on the field in the blink of an eye from a really shitty angle.
That’s appalling. They’ve obviously panicked and not known what to do but the onfield decision surely has to stand in that scenario. Was it a really clear error?
So the pretended to watch the screen?
Yes it was never a pen. DCL stands on the defender's ankle and then dives looking for a pen.
Agree entirely with this. We are just going to see even more wrong decisions because it seems like VAR is giving no more than a cursory look at incidents, with a view to oking the ref’s decision as soon as possible. So frustrating we can’t get to a position where they are focussing on getting the right decisions.
Ok, now watched it on MOTD and read into it a bit more. There’s a laptop on the ground apparently which Hooper was able to use as backup as the screen malfunctioned, so he did make the decision. Agree it wasn’t a penalty. Seems a sensible enough use of VAR in the circumstances, although it would be preferable for the ref to move the laptop into view if that happens in future, to avoid any suspicion he’s not actually seen anything.
you cant make it up anymore. We havent even had a full gameweek and its been riddled with mistakes that go beyond what fans can understand. Another long season ahead.
Oh right fair enough. But it's quite telling that my opinion of them is so low, I would absolutely believe he just stood there pretending.
VAR is a threat to referees, it puts their cushy role with no accountability at risk - before it came along they were basically untouchable, the regular awful decisions would be half-heartedly scrutinised a little in the media and then forgotten about.
So it's little surprise that they're optimising VAR use to make the refs look better, rather than making better decisions.
These new VAR guidelines are horrible
Instead of VAR getting involved and sometimes agreeing with but sometimes disagreeing with wrong decisions, now they've just decided that VAR exists to agree with the ref no matter what.
Instead of VAR getting involved and sometimes agreeing with but sometimes disagreeing with wrong decisions, now they've just decided that VAR exists to agree with the ref no matter what.
Agreed. Minimal interference, what is this nonsense? Just interfere when the time comes to overturn a wrong decision. If that is required frequently, do it! It should be solely about making the correct call, not just blindly supporting whatever decision has been made on the pitch.
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Will Hughes seemed to do very very little for that goal to be disallowed. Case of bad refereeing than bad VAR though
Minimal interference is a ridiculous standard. The standard should be 'necessary interference'
If your ref is having a mare, doesn't see 10 incidents in a match etc then that's what VAR is there for.
The only way that this can work is if there is a much bigger scrutiny of refs after games and they are stood down for making poor decisions.
This Collins/ Hughes incident in the Brentford game is a clear example of that - Collins is fouling Hughes, ref blows the other way, Eze's goal is ruled out.
That kind of gaffe should have consequences for refs. Especially if VAR is now just going to go with them
Very harsh on Crystal Palace... but not a VAR mistake...