VAR and Refs | General Discussion

[90 + 5min]

I think once the dust settles in the middle of the week you might change your mind. Neither were fouls.

Lets agree to disagree. For me those were freekick and penalty but I guess We are used to not getting anything.

 

[Acquire Me]

City will never get anything on the 115 charges. They got everyone in their pocket.

We did our best against them and the refs.

 

[arnie_ni]

Lets agree to disagree. For me those were freekick and penalty but I guess We are used to not getting anything.

I always try to look at it from the other perspective. If that was a pen and fk for city against us I'd be spitting flames.

 

[Bangor_Red]

Standard city tactic of niggly fouls that the either get away with or concede a free but no card. One on dalot at end completely cynical. Breaking towards box. Pull back so he can't shoot or pass accurately. Anyone else gets a yellow for that

 

[noodlehair]

It wasn't a penalty. Rashford... it probably should've been a free kick but it was such a pathetic dive on his part.

Walker ran across his running path and took his legs out. I thought it was about as blatant as it gets.

I was completely baffled by that. Especially as the ref was giving a foul the other way any time a City player got touched and continued to do so afterwards. He gave one freekick 3 minutes after where literally nothing happened except City lost possession on the touchline and Ake claimed it was their throw, which seemed to confuse the ref into giving them a freekick just because they claimed for something.

Honestly I rarely watch any PL games outside of our own anymore because of this shite. Its gotten to the point it takes over nearly every match.

 

[Kingofwinners]

Ten Hag booked for pointing after Rashford was fouled. Look at what Klopp gets away with every week, it’s beyond ridiculous.

 

[Bangor_Red]

I always try to look at it from the other perspective. If that was a pen and fk for city against us I'd be spitting flames.

It's not just shoulder to shoulder on rashfords. Feet get tangled. I think it's a fairly straight forward free kick just my opinion. Massive kick in stones that it results in a break to other end of pitch for a goal

 

[Hammondo]

No complaints about that game tbh.

 

[NicolaSacco]

Yeah which is why the ref needs to have the balls to make the correct decision on the pitch. He failed two times and both resulted in us conceding within a minute

What would you expect Onana to do in the same situation? Or any keeper? I can’t see how a situation would work whereby any player who sprints to tackle is then immediately behaving recklessly if they make contact with an opposition player.
Or more specifically, how do players contend for a loose ball if they are both the same distance away?

 

[Loftus Road Lad]

The challenge on Garnacho was a good one. Never a foul. Rashford is to blame for the goal, he was scared of Walker and tried to buy a foul. Walker barely touched him and it was neer a foul

 

[NinjaZombie]

I thought it was a foul on Rashford. Walker clipped his legs. We didn't deserve to win the game, but it's annoying when things like that go against you.

 

[MrMarcello]

The Ederson pen shout - no penalty for me - but did the ref award City possession after Ederson booted the ball out?

I vaguely recall reading that in the matchday thread but perhaps I'm mistaken.

 

[arnie_ni]

It's not just shoulder to shoulder on rashfords. Feet get tangled. I think it's a fairly straight forward free kick just my opinion. Massive kick in stones that it results in a break to other end of pitch for a goal

I only seen the "grab" so maybe there was foot contact.

 

[Withnail]

Spoiler: Rashford plays for

Walker trips him too. It wasn't just a shoulder. It was a foul and VAR review for DOGS opportunity. Klopp will be calling for a replay to maintain the integrity of the game.

Oh was there a trip as well? I'll have to watch it back

 

[harms]

He got tripped. How's that a dive?

Maybe I've got tricked by the replay.

 

[Withnail]

The Ederson pen shout - no penalty for me - but did the ref award City possession after Ederson booted the ball out?

I vaguely recall reading that in the matchday thread but perhaps I'm mistaken.

It came back off Garnacho so it was a goal kick.

 

[arnie_ni]

The challenge on Garnacho was a good one. Never a foul. Rashford is to blame for the goal, he was scared of Walker and tried to buy a foul. Walker barely touched him and it was neer a foul

Exactly what I thought. Any player but walker who he can't out run and he keeps going there imo

 

[Withnail]

Maybe I've got tricked by the replay.

And Neville directing everyone's attention to the hand on the arm in the replay they showed.

 

[Rossa]

Maybe I've got tricked by the replay.

walker’s knee clipped Rashford’s foot. Rash is clean through.

 

[Rossa]

Exactly what I thought. Any player but walker who he can't out run and he keeps going there imo

Walker’s knee clipped him. Running at full speed, you trip. It’s that easy. That and the arm on his shoulder. Neither contesting for the ball.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

I didn't think either were fouls. I didn't notice Walker clipping Rashford though, only the hand on the arm.

 

[MrMarcello]

If there was a legit clip of feet I could see how it did impede Rashford's run and that VAR missed would be an absolute gaff. And if that is the case it's amazing how these highly paid analysts can't see this action committed and only focus on the arm pull.

 

[Withnail]

Lads, they just showed it back. I can't even see contact on the legs. It's feckin minimal, if it even happens.

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

 

[laughtersassassin]

Tbh I think the ref got the calls right sadly for us

 

[Heinzesight]

I don’t think it’s a penalty but you could argue Ederson is out of control there.

 

[CoopersDream]

I don't think it should be a penalty because of how well he gets to the ball and how well the ball is cleared from danger, but I think he still could have been punished for recklessness.

 

[Isotope]

Got the ball doesn't mean that you can clean out the player. That's a foul and potential yellow.

 

[Alejandro Angel]

Lets agree to disagree. For me those were freekick and penalty but I guess We are used to not getting anything.

It was a free kick for rashford all day long and how is the keeper in control of his body clear penalty

 

[arnie_ni]

Lads, they just showed it back. I can't even see contact on the legs. It's feckin minimal, if it even happens.

Agreed

 

[LDUred]

It's a clip on Rashford's back leg.

It's staggering that VAR didn't even look at it. It's not about the arm on the shoulder but the contact with Rashford's leg.

He just bottled the decision.

 

[Garnacho's Shoelaces]

Walker’s knee clipped him. Running at full speed, you trip. It’s that easy. That and the arm on his shoulder. Neither contesting for the ball.

Which actually makes it a red card challenge.

 

[Withnail]

Which actually makes it a red card challenge.

Contact can just be a coming together. It's laughable to suggest it should be a red.

The hand on the arm is inconsequential and after watching it back and it's very hard to see any leg contact, certainly not enough for VAR to call a red.

 

[Red-17]

What would you expect Onana to do in the same situation? Or any keeper? I can’t see how a situation would work whereby any player who sprints to tackle is then immediately behaving recklessly if they make contact with an opposition player.
Or more specifically, how do players contend for a loose ball if they are both the same distance away?

Don’t make a slide tackle if you can’t do it safely. Garnacho is forced to avoid playing the ball to protect himself. Head on side tackles should rarely if ever be allowed. Stay on your feet or in a goalie scenario slide out with your hands.

 

[dogwithabone]

If that challenge by Ederson on Garnacho is anywhere else on the pitch it’s a foul and at least a yellow. Yes, he played the ball but was he in control ? No chance.

 

[BeltUp]

Standard city tactic of niggly fouls that the either get away with or concede a free but no card. One on dalot at end completely cynical. Breaking towards box. Pull back so he can't shoot or pass accurately. Anyone else gets a yellow for that

The one on Mainoo in the first half too when we were ready to break.

 

[BeltUp]

If that challenge by Ederson on Garnacho is anywhere else on the pitch it’s a foul and at least a yellow. Yes, he played the ball but was he in control ? No chance.

I think it's also a pen if it's a defender instead of a keeper. Way too much force to be in control.

 

[NicolaSacco]

Don’t make a slide tackle if you can’t do it safely. Garnacho is forced to avoid playing the ball to protect himself. Head on side tackles should rarely if ever be allowed. Stay on your feet or in a goalie scenario slide out with your hands.

So that basically means don’t make a slide tackle at all. You only slide tackle when there’s an opponent very close by and you want to make sure you get to the ball first. Your opponent will be going for the same ball at a similar speed so a collision will be virtually impossible to avoid.
I’d love to know how many last ditch sliding tackles Utd defenders have made over the years, that got the ball, but also slid into another player sprinting in. It will be hundreds.

 

[LDUred]

Contact can just be a coming together. It's laughable to suggest it should be a red.

The hand on the arm is inconsequential and after watching it back and it's very hard to see any leg contact, certainly not enough for VAR to call a red.

He's through on goal, running at full speed, in the middle of the pitch. Any contact will be consequential.

If you've actually played the game, a hand on your arm when your running at full tilt will affect your balance.

I don't understand at all how that can be 'deemed' inconsequential.

 

[CoopersDream]

So that basically means don’t make a slide tackle at all. You only slide tackle when there’s an opponent very close by and you want to make sure you get to the ball first. Your opponent will be going for the same ball at a similar speed so a collision will be virtually impossible to avoid.
I’d love to know how many last ditch sliding tackles Utd defenders have made over the years, that got the ball, but also slid into another player sprinting in. It will be hundreds.

Exactly. Pretty much any sliding tackle would also consist of the tackler taking down the player in the same action. It's hard to avoid. The question is whether you manage to get to the ball first and whether the ball is cleared from danger. He both got the ball first and cleared the ball from danger. Given that it would be harsh with a penatly. I would agree it would be a free kick out on the pitch, but everything that is free kick out on the pitch will not be penalties or we would have penalties every single corner.