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Why was there no PGMOL apology for the handball against Tottenham? Is it only when a decision goes against Liverpool
let's not forget the non foul for Jota's first yellow. or Salah getting cautioned after another non foul winning the ball in a great position. or Gomez getting run down in the box without the defender getting near the ball.Anyway, feck up on the offside call aside, I thought the two reds were the correct call. But because they messed up the offside the reds will probably get fed into the narrative of injustice too.
I thought he clipped him so it was a foul. And salah got cautioned for kicking the ball away and dissent, not the challenge. Even though I didn’t think that was a foul tbh but they’re always givenlet's not forget the non foul for Jota's first yellow. or Salah getting cautioned after another non foul winning the ball in a great position. or Gomez getting run down in the box without the defender getting near the ball.
Also think VAR stitched up Jones. you can debate the red, but there is absolutely nothing for their ref to consider with what they showed him.
Honestly can't remember such a shit show of a refereeing performance that was also so one sided. The level of incompetence from the whole team is just staggering.
What did he say?Why the feck is Klopp talking about United again? Keep my club's name out your fecking mouth.
If you mean jotas first yellow then no. he clearly trips himself.I thought he clipped him so it was a foul. And salah got cautioned for kicking the ball away and dissent, not the challenge. Even though I didn’t think that was a foul tbh but they’re always given
I meant his first yellow yes, I thought he clipped his leg which then causes the spurs players legs to get caught upIf you mean jotas first yellow then no. he clearly trips himself.
I am not upset about Salah's yellow but giving that as a foul is just another piece of atrocious and singularly one sided judgement on the night
Because you can see clearly when the first touch was before the ball was being passed forward. It is the first touch of the ball that counts not when it was on the way. So they can frame by frame check that. If you talk about margin of error. May I remind you that goal was allowed in first place. So taking away a goal because of that is wrong. Why isn't margin of error being used the other way?As I said, they're supposed to use the first frame available to them in which the ball has been clearly played. So I don't know why you're saying the bold as if you didn't expect to see the ball having been played in the frame they used. There is indeed room for difference between that frame and the hypothetical perfect frame that would exist if the camera framerate was better, which is why they have the MOE Garnacho fell outside. You can feel free to complain that the MOE doesn't sufficiently compensate for the gap in frames if you want, but it is what it is. Until the tech improves, they can only work with the frames and MOE at their disposal, which they did.
And they didn't use the wrong part of the body. The defender's shoulder was further forward than his head because his upper body was turned. Again, that's something they're able to easily determine with the scope lines they use, and in this case I thought it was pretty clear just from looking at the image. Though given at least one poster tried to tell me it was physically impossible to have your shoulder further forward than your head, I'm not surprised there's an unwillingness to accept that.
There was no conspiracy or error in that offside call. You don't have to like it, you might think there is room for error in the system, but it was completely consistent with how offsides are supposed to be applied. In fact we've had much tighter calls than that go against us in the past.
What did he say?
Klopp said the statement "doesn't help" and referenced the apology Wolves received for the decision not to award a penalty at Manchester United earlier in the season.
"I don't think we should talk too much about that because it doesn't help at all," said Klopp.
"Wolves got a similar statement, or apology. They didn't get a point out of United and we won't get a point today so it doesn't help.
What did he say?
Why am I irrationally annoyed about him mentioning us even though everything he said is correct. Wanker.(Referring to the PGMOL statement/apology)
He said: "Who does that help? We had that situation in the Man Utd game. Did Wolves get points for it? We won't get points for it. We all thought that when VAR came in it would make things easier."
I meant his first yellow yes, I thought he clipped his leg which then causes the spurs players legs to get caught up
Why am I irrationally annoyed about him mentioning us even though everything he said is correct. Wanker.
Bizarre really. Doubt they will release the audio but this seems like an embarrassing mistake that could have been easily rectifiedWell that’s complete bollocks. Why didn’t the VAR correct them when Spurs lined up the free kick?
Honestly think they didn't even draw the lines and this is another case of "we didn't want to overturn a decision unless it's a clear and obvious error" self invented insular bullshit culture that is clearly rampant in the refereeing world.Bizarre really. Doubt they will release the audio but this seems like an embarrassing mistake that could have been easily rectified
He thinks he’s Dermott fecking Gallagher. You only need a set of eyes to see that there’s an issue with the angle on the Garnacho ‘offside’ and also the frame used. There is no 100% accuracy and you only need to put your body in the same position as the Arsenal defender to know that his head was the furthest forward. I don’t need a line, an excuse and a wannabe Dermot to tell me otherwiseBecause you can see clearly when the first touch was before the ball was being passed forward. It is the first touch of the ball that counts not when it was on the way. So they can frame by frame check that. If you talk about margin of error. May I remind you that goal was allowed in first place. So taking away a goal because of that is wrong. Why isn't margin of error being used the other way?
There is a error on that goal. Something you don't agree. I find it hard to understand why we have been getting important decisions against us pretty much every single game. We need to be 5 times better than our opponents to win games nowdays because we are not getting any decisions. Or do you think that we have been lucky with decisions?
Well that’s complete bollocks. Why didn’t the VAR correct them when Spurs lined up the free kick?
I don’t think they should apologise to anyone, it just sets a precedent. Like you said, where’s our apology? Why aren’t they apologising for every error? It doesn’t change anything so what’s the point? Nothing changes.At least he got a fecking apology. Why haven't PGMOL apologised to us yet? Their apologies are as inconsistent as their on-field decisions.
They should have apologised for not giving us a penalty vs Spurs, should have apologised for not giving us a penalty vs Arsenal. I want Ten Hag to come out and ask where the feck our apology is.
Bizarre really. Doubt they will release the audio but this seems like an embarrassing mistake that could have been easily rectified
Even if that is the case (don't think I am seeing it tbh), it is barely a foul and never a yellow.Jotas left knee catches the boot. Minimal but enough at speed to affect the stride
"Darren England checked for offside because he thought it had been given as a goal" So while all that was going on what was the 2nd VAR assistant doing in that moment?
That excuse sounds really poor to be honest. Not enough time seemed to pass to even do the lines.
Well that's the point, they didn't fully do the lines because it was quickly obvious to them that he was onside. When the call is that clear they're not supposed to follow through with the full process because it's a waste of time.
I cannot recall a single instance in the Premier League that hasn't been given the full line treatment, even when it has been blatantly obvious it was onside by a similar margin. I always remember seeing lines.
Nothing should be a waste of time, it is a couple of minutes extra that takes out any element of doubt and minutes that can be added on.
Harsh booking yesEven if that is the case (don't think I am seeing it tbh), it is barely a foul and never a yellow.