VAR and Refs | General Discussion

After listening to a few of these VAR decisions I believe the team in the VAR room are giving far too many opinions.

They should just be mute, and be there solely for the ref to use if and when he chooses.

Goal is scored...Ref asks, can you check for offside? they check and give an answer.

Ref gives a Penalty...Ref asks, can you show me a reply on the screen please I want to be sure? they play the replay max 3 times on the screen, again no opinion is given by the VAR team.

Ref gives a Red card...Ref asks, can you show me the reply on the screen please? the incident is replayed max 3 times, again no opinion is needed from the VAR team.

Ref doesn't see an incident and the VAR team believe a HUGE mistake has been made/missed. With no opinion they buzz the Ref and ask him to look at the screen. Replay max 3 times with no sound.

Let the on field Ref referee the match.
 
RuudTom83 said:
After listening to a few of these VAR decisions I believe the team in the VAR room are giving far too many opinions.

They should just be mute, and be there solely for the ref to use if and when he chooses.

Goal is scored...Ref asks, can you check for offside? they check and give an answer.

Ref gives a Penalty...Ref asks, can you show me a reply on the screen please I want to be sure? they play the replay max 3 times on the screen, again no opinion is given by the VAR team.

Ref gives a Red card...Ref asks, can you show me the reply on the screen please? the incident is replayed max 3 times, again no opinion is needed from the VAR team.

Ref doesn't see an incident and the VAR team believe a HUGE mistake has been made/missed. With no opinion they buzz the Ref and ask him to look at the screen. Replay max 3 times with no sound.

Let the on field Ref referee the match.
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Games would go on forever in this scenario with the ref constantly at the screen.

With the videos we’ve been seeing - I’m not comfortable with the VAR giving opinions though. As much as Havertz wasn’t a penalty at the weekend - the way VAR I structured the ref (and the way Taylor asked) he’s gone to the screen asking what he’s about to see, in those scenarios youll see what you’re told you’re about to see, there seems to be a lack of decision making for the ref.

VAR should recommend an on field review, but keep their opinions to why as a minimum and let the ref see for himself
 
- Ref has to publicly announce and explain made VAR decisions via stadium speakers
- More draconic penalties for clear officiating errors (like the City offside goal against Fulham, which they publicly confirmed as an error). Meaning no payment and banned for next 5 matchdays
- One challenge per team to challenge ref decision and force them into an various-minute extended review

That would be nice to start with.
 
Just copy rugby ffs.
Works perfectly fine for the most part there.
“Any reason I can’t award this try”
“ check forward pass please”
“Show me possible high tackle” etc.
It would make for a slower game for sure but all conversations are heard and even if you disagree withy he eventual decision at least people have heard the reasoning:

And by the way “these never get given” is not going to fecking cut it.
 
Cpt Negative said:
Games would go on forever in this scenario with the ref constantly at the screen.

With the videos we’ve been seeing - I’m not comfortable with the VAR giving opinions though. As much as Havertz wasn’t a penalty at the weekend - the way VAR I structured the ref (and the way Taylor asked) he’s gone to the screen asking what he’s about to see, in those scenarios youll see what you’re told you’re about to see, there seems to be a lack of decision making for the ref.

VAR should recommend an on field review, but keep their opinions to why as a minimum and let the ref see for himself
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Only if the referee choose to use it. Now we at the stage where refs are no longer making decisions on field.

Plus currently we have the scenario where the referee is stood on the pitch doing nothing, surround by players, while they all wait for the VAR team to fumble around.

The big decisions could be simplified without any middle men…just replay it on the screen and get on with it.

But no one will ever agree 100% how to use it.
 
TheReligion said:
Yeah I agree with you.

The whole drama after the Wolves game was bizarre and utterly pathetic.

They made a rod for their own back by rushing to apologise and dismissing the VAR team and now they have nowhere else to go with shit decisions rolling in week in week out.
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Yep, they should have responded the same way they do every time they feck United over. Silence.
 
I'm stumped as to why we need a screen, why not just a smartphone the ref carries? fecking rigmoral of going over to a VCR type TV from the 80s in this day and age of smartphones
 
SuperiorXI said:
I'm stumped as to why we need a screen, why not just a smartphone the ref carries? fecking rigmoral of going over to a VCR type TV from the 80s in this day and age of smartphones
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There's a giant screen in every PL stadium. Mic them up and let every one hear them and see what they are showing.
 
SuperiorXI said:
Really? I've been many times and genuinely never noticed that... they've got a checking var screen thing though
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There’s the scoreboards but no actual screen to show replays etc. unless they’ve added one very recently but I’ve no idea where they would even put one.
 
sullydnl said:
Well that's clearly not true. They covered both the Onana incident and Akanji offsides, which they presented as mistakes on the officials' part.


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Interesting how chaotic it all sounds. Refs are shit but I can understand getting frazzled trying to make a big decision with 3 people shouting in your ear, 50,000+ fans screaming and players in your face being whinging cnuts.
 
SuperiorXI said:
Probably in the disabled section knowing our owners track record
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We should be so lucky. With our owners there'll be a 32" CRT on tick from Age UK in Salford wheeled out whenever it's needed. Luckily we let Murtaugh do the deal though, so it's just the £1k per week.

On topic, hearing the conversation sounds fin, but piping out over stadium tannoys would be tricky. Good for viewers, impractical for the stadium I would have thought.
 
sullydnl said:
Well that's clearly not true. They covered both the Onana incident and Akanji offsides, which they presented as mistakes on the officials' part.


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That really brings home how unsuitable football is for VAR. The most obvious thing coming across is how they’re trying to do everything in a frantic hurry. The panic is tangible. Completely different from sports like cricket or rugby, where the discussion is always very calm and measured and there’s no sense of them being in any hurry. And that’s because those sports have regular, longish stops in play anyway. It doesn’t feel unnatural to pause the game for a VAR check, so they can take as much time as they need to make absolutely sure they make the right decision. Completely different story in football, where checks that are long enough to be thorough feel far too long for everyone watching. Obviously helps that in cricket and rugby the players aren’t constantly yapping in the referee’s ear when he’s supposed to be consulting with the VAR officials.
 
I just remembered regarding the Ake goal when we played you at Goodison and we had a late winner ruled out because someone was ruled to be offside after a DCL shot.
 
SilentWitness said:
I just remembered regarding the Ake goal when we played you at Goodison and we had a late winner ruled out because someone was ruled to be offside after a DCL shot.
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The one where it deflected off Maguire or he moved his feet or something?
 
Found it. It deflects from Maguire and the Everton guy pulls back his feet so that he's not offside.

Its the game where DDG tries to be Onana and we concede the stupidest goal ever.

 
Rugby showing how to use VAR properly tonight. NZ player takes out a French player in the air. Sin Bin Offence at minumum (which it was in the end) player goes into the bin and VAR Officials review the offence and they can decide that the card is upgraded to red if they feel it's warranted (This bit is on trial at the moment)
 
Amazing they officially release this "explanation".

Amid the absolute mayhem one goes "Yo, it's a foul by the #11, OK? Foul by Uruguay, foul by Uruguay"

After not bothering to check that follow up much at all they conclude: foul from Pellistri on the defender :wenger:

 
That’s a foul 9 out of 10 times, that one time being when it’s a Liverpool player slapping an opponent around the face.
 
Ready for 2 pages of geometry lessons, spheres and angles :drool:
 
Doesn't FIFA use some sensory technology in their tournaments? If so, why hasn't the EPL adopted such? Don't want to spend any funds to better the in-game officiating?
 
Goal, VAR check and booked someone for time wasting. But we're losing so only 3 minutes added time.
 
- Brighton player booked for time wasting
- Couple of players down injured
- 3 minute VAR check

Added time? 3 minutes
 
Was not in any way clear and obvious. VAR should not be overturning the decision unless there’s conclusive evidence, and they did not have the right angle for that.
 
It looked quite clearly over the line from the angle we saw I thought. Would be fuming if that counted against us
 
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