Utd Sign Carrick

Whiteside said:
Yes he could pass. I remember the very game he fecked his utd carreer. V west ham - he lost the ball and made no attempt to win it back. the fans booed. He was a wanker for that. I am very critical of players who dont care about losing the ball.

having said all that - he had a lot more to his game than webby
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I think its unfair on both players to compare Veron with Carrick. I mean Carrick is a hardworking playmaker similar to Pirlo. He still need a defensive midfielder at his side but he will wear his socks off and get stuck in if its needed. Veron is the typical italian type of playmaker. His job is to create assists for others to score. If I had to compare Veron with someone I would mention Riquelme or maybe Kaka but definately not Carrick
 
Carrick is a good signing IMO. However I do think we have been overcharged on him. Now we could do with another midfield player, the so called ball winner. We should go for Mascherano then.

Would Carrick and Mascherano adequately solve our central midfield problem?
 
raven_blade2002 said:
Carrick is a good signing IMO. However I do think we have been overcharged on him. Now we vould do with another midfield player, the so called ball winner. We should go for Mascherano then.

Would Carrick and Mascherano adequately solve our central midfield problem?
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I would be very happy if those 2 were our transfers this summer. I am not all that bothered Torres said he wanted to stay at Madrid he would have been a great player to have but not what we needed. Problem is centre midfield and hopefully Fergie will go out and get Maschereno now and give us a season to look forward to.
 
hyder10 said:
if all goes well:

carrick/mascherano/scholes/o'shea/fletcher/jones/park/ronaldo/giggs/richardson

Thats one hell of a strong midfield with great depth

Chelsea's:

Ballack/makalele/robben/geremi/lampard/essien/wright phillips/j cole/obi cnut mikel

We should mount a major challenge this season. As some guy said in the main forum: games are won in the midfield.
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Isn't Lampard leaving Chelsea?
 
raven_blade2002 said:
Carrick is a good signing IMO. However I do think we have been overcharged on him. Now we could do with another midfield player, the so called ball winner. We should go for Mascherano then.

Would Carrick and Mascherano adequately solve our central midfield problem?
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Absolutely, if both of them stayed fit. :smirk:
 
devilish said:
We needed a defensive midfielder and ended up with Carrick. I wouldnt be happy if we replace VDS with the new Maradona.
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No, we don't need someone to chase around after the ball - Smith can do that. We need someone to sit deep and start our attacks with precise passes - something neither Smith nor O'Shea is able to, and Carrick is. But most of all, we just needed to add more quality to our midfield.

Carrick will be a good signing.
 
orton2005 said:
but we had Roy Keane in the team during that time. If we go into the new season with this midfield i am gonna be extremely worried about the lack of physical presence. I'm sure im not the only one who thinks that.
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Carrick is 6'2
 
What's all this about Carrick being a replacement for Scholes? He isn't. Carrick is a deep-lying playmaker, plain and simple. He is never going to match Scholes for goal-scoring or movement in the opposition half, he'll never have the offensive repertoire of Scholes...mainly because he is nothing like Scholes.

As has been repeatedly mentioned, Carrick is similar to Pirlo or Alonso and I think we're going to need a formation change to play he and Scholes in the same midfield. There's no way a Scholes-Carrick pairing can do the biz in a 4-4-2. Throw that right out the window.

VanNistelrater's post is spot on, except Carrick is nothing like Scholes, the rest is bang on. We need someone else in to play behind Carrick.
 
djemba's arse said:
No, we don't need someone to chase around after the ball - Smith can do that. We need someone to sit deep and start our attacks with precise passes - something neither Smith nor O'Shea is able to, and Carrick is. But most of all, we just needed to add more quality to our midfield.

Carrick will be a good signing.
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Smith is not a defensive midfielder and was never going to be one.
 
Fortitude said:
What's all this about Carrick being a replacement for Scholes? He isn't. Carrick is a deep-lying playmaker, plain and simple. He is never going to match Scholes for goal-scoring or movement in the opposition half, he'll never have the offensive repertoire of Scholes...mainly because he is nothing like Scholes.

As has been repeatedly mentioned, Carrick is similar to Pirlo or Alonso and I think we're going to need a formation change to play he and Scholes in the same midfield. There's no way a Scholes-Carrick pairing can do the biz in a 4-4-2. Throw that right out the window.

VanNistelrater's post is spot on, except Carrick is nothing like Scholes, the rest is bang on. We need someone else in to play behind Carrick.
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Ive never said that Carrick is similar to Scholes but he is his eventual replacement. Lets face it, we wont find someone like Keano whom singlehanded was able to support an all out attacking side like the treble one. Therefore we need a defensive midfielder partnered with a playmaker who is capable to tackle ie Carrick.
 
Mozza said:
Why? He plays with Jenas for fecks sake
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He played also with Davids and Taino who are defensive midfielders by nature and used to share the workload.
 
devilish said:
Ive never said that Carrick is similar to Scholes but he is his eventual replacement. Lets face it, we wont find someone like Keano whom singlehanded was able to support an all out attacking side like the treble one. Therefore we need a defensive midfielder partnered with a playmaker who is capable to tackle ie Carrick.
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The closest things to Scholes at United are Rooney and D.Jones and Gibson in the future. I think Carrick brings with him a formation change for us, he will never score anywhere near the amounts Scholes has.
 
Fortitude said:
The closest things to Scholes at United are Rooney and D.Jones and Gibson in the future. I think Carrick brings with him a formation change for us, he will never score anywhere near the amounts Scholes has.
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Of course he wont score the amount of goals Scholes used to score

Paul Scholes ended up in central midfield (in a 4 - 4 - 2 system) for the simple reason that we had Roy Keane who was like a one man army. No one else could have ever been able to support an all out attacking side like ours (who pride of 5 attacking minded players, which were Giggs, Scholes, Becks/Ronaldo, Cole/RVN, Yorke/Rooney). Once Keano started to grow old we had to start changing system and while Oshea did managed to do a decent job in CM (much due to the fact that Giggs can tackle) it was evident that at long term such midfield would have struggled. In few words, since there is no new Keano around we have to change system.
 
Trippin_Stoned said:
Persnonally think it will be Scholes and Carrick in a 4-4-2. I also think it'll work.
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Here's a perfect example of what happens when you play a naturally offensive minded midfield next to a deep-lying playmaker in a 4-4-2. The rape of the dippers in the CL final first half. Any side worth its weight will maul a pairing like that. It was only stabilised when they put Hamann on, a DM, and gave him the defensive work and Alonso the ball to actually use.

You can't play a deep-lyuing playmaker in a 4-4-2 unless you put another defensively minded midfielder on the wing. Examples of this are Spurs with davids on the left wing last season and Seedorf doing the same at Milan. We play with two wingers, not 3 midfielders in a 4-4-2. We'd get feckin raped with Scholes-Carrick in the middle.
 
Personally think that Carrick and Scholes will work, we've also got other players who put decent shifts in (Giggs, Rooney & Saha all have fantastic workrate).

Wouldn't be surprised if there were the central pairing in a 4-4-2 against Fulham.
 
Fortitude said:
Here's a perfect example of what happens when you play a naturally offensive minded midfield next to a deep-lying playmaker in a 4-4-2. The rape of the dippers in the CL final first half. Any side worth its weight will maul a pairing like that. It was only stabilised when they put Hamann on, a DM, and gave him the defensive work and Alonso the ball to actually use.

You can't play a deep-lyuing playmaker in a 4-4-2 unless you put another defensively minded midfielder on the wing. Examples of this are Spurs with davids on the left wing last season and Seedorf doing the same at Milan. We play with two wingers, not 3 midfielders in a 4-4-2. We'd get feckin raped with Scholes-Carrick in the middle.
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You are right!
 
devilish said:
He played also with Davids and Taino who are defensive midfielders by nature and used to share the workload.
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Sometimes other times it was Lennon and Mido on the flanks, besides which theres never been a united team where the wingers don't track back.
 
Fortitude said:
Here's a perfect example of what happens when you play a naturally offensive minded midfield next to a deep-lying playmaker in a 4-4-2. The rape of the dippers in the CL final first half. Any side worth its weight will maul a pairing like that. It was only stabilised when they put Hamann on, a DM, and gave him the defensive work and Alonso the ball to actually use.

You can't play a deep-lyuing playmaker in a 4-4-2 unless you put another defensively minded midfielder on the wing. Examples of this are Spurs with davids on the left wing last season and Seedorf doing the same at Milan. We play with two wingers, not 3 midfielders in a 4-4-2. We'd get feckin raped with Scholes-Carrick in the middle.
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Carricks a DM, being able to pass doesn't stop him being one.
 
Mozza said:
Carricks a DM, being able to pass doesn't stop him being one.
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Where do you get the notion Carrick is a DM from? What part of his game tells you this about him?
 
Mozza said:
Carricks a DM, being able to pass doesn't stop him being one.
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He cant tackle very well and is not postionally good enough going backward. I have to agree with Fortitude and say he is not a defensive midfielder! He is like alonso in style and beside any alonso you need a sissoko...
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
What is the characteristics of a so-called defensive midfielder?
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Instead of giving a list imagine makelele as a 6 footer and you have the perfect DM.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
What's wrong with calling a midfielder a midfielder these days?
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The days of your young Keano's or Robbo's, Matthaus', Effenberg are fading out. I think midfield is quite distinctively broken up into jobs now in the modern game. The likes of Gerrard, the all-round midfielder, are becoming increasingly rare.
 
Fortitude said:
The days of your young Keano's or Robbo's, Matthaus', Effenberg are fading out. I think midfield is quite distinctively broken up into jobs now in the modern game. The likes of Gerrard, the all-round midfielder, are becoming increasingly rare.
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I would agree but even with gerrard his game is specialised in certain areas and liverpool try to design their play around his key strenghts which are attacking based!
 
tilo said:
Instead of giving a list imagine makelele as a 6 footer and you have the perfect DM.
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Wouldn't it depend on what players a player has around him determine whether the player is perfect for a spesific role?
 
Fortitude said:
The days of your young Keano's or Robbo's, Matthaus', Effenberg are fading out. I think midfield is quite distinctively broken up into jobs now in the modern game. The likes of Gerrard, the all-round midfielder, are becoming increasingly rare.
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Bollocks
 
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