bigjet66 said:
Utd Sign Carrick
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If we sign Carrick, we need to pair him up with a monster like Gattuso, Mascherano or De Rossi to do the dirty work. Would be a good signing if we also buy the other three. Without that, Carrick alone will be useless, our midfield will be tremendously lightweighted.
Reflectorboy said:
All three? I don't see that happening.
Frankly, I don't see Gatuso or De Rossi either, and Maschenero may well just be more paper talk.
paid at least 8 million too much..feckin united tac and the buy british hype...still he surely is better than O Shea in CM. So go Carrick (and please get 6-8 goals and 9-12 assists) in the league will yer???
RooneyDevil8 said:Im going to cry. We are WASTING £17 million on a half decent player at best. What would Roy Keane say?
Roy keane was a good player, end of. Hes not a the be-all end -all on transfers and what good for Manchester United, feck off. this place is starting to just get stupid.
bigjet66 said:
cretin.
The boy is clearly class on the ball, and has excellent technical ability. You also dont carve yourself a reputation as a top quality midfielder without having some strength about you.
Put him alongside someone whose sole job it is to win the ball back and we will have an excellent team.
14.9 mil rising to 18mil depending on champions league progress and international caps
you heard it here first
good signing IMO
you heard it here first
good signing IMO
VanNistelrater said:
cretin.
The boy is clearly class on the ball, and has excellent technical ability. You also dont carve yourself a reputation as a top quality midfielder without having some strength about you.
Put him alongside someone whose sole job it is to win the ball back and we will have an excellent team.
If Carrick isn't that player - AND - if he doesn't score goals, then what good is he for us?
A fair question. I do actually think Carrick is just a younger Scholes, which we do need with the ginger prince in the swansong of his career. I think Carrick will help us use the ball far more positively through the middle of the pitch. So many times last season we knocked it square in midfield or just kept losing it, one of the things we miss most about Keane is his willingness to always want the ball, all over the pitch, his will to dictate. Carrick has that, he always wants to be on the ball, he always wants to start something, and he has the ability to IMO.
However he's not a ball winner, and he doesnt have the boundless energy I think we miss. But hopefully that will come later. To put it really simplistically, you could say he's solved half our midfield problem, i.e use of the ball, the other, the winning of it back, still has to be sorted.
However he's not a ball winner, and he doesnt have the boundless energy I think we miss. But hopefully that will come later. To put it really simplistically, you could say he's solved half our midfield problem, i.e use of the ball, the other, the winning of it back, still has to be sorted.
17 mil for carrick is just bad business
Good job, by all accounts, that it isnt 17 million then, isnt it?Shaft said:
It's like when people say Rooney cost us £30 million, that's the possible fee. Up front the year we bought him we actually only paid £10 million.
It seems with Carrick it'll be something around £8 million up front. Whatever it is, id advise people to look into the details of the deal (if it goes ahead) before getting carried away with tabloid conjecture. They are only trying to sell papers and hyping the fee up as a potential knife to throw at Ferguson if Carrick doesnt work out.
If it isn't just paper talk we might well have done the right thing though, Masherano and Carrick could have a good future at United especially if you throw Rooney, Rossi, Saha, Scholes, Ronaldo, Giggs and Park into the mix the team starts to look very good from the midfield forward doesn't it? There is also still O'shea, Sojasker and Fletcher on the books and although they may not be exactly fan favourites or near the end of their career.jasonrh said:
I don't see that happening.
Frankly, I don't see Gatuso or De Rossi either, and Maschenero may well just be more paper talk.
Saying all that i would think that the Masherano deal is media talk.
VanNistelrater said:
when i look at how arse signed rosicky for 8mil, i just think that carrick for 17mil is bad business (despite the fact that we may not be paying all of it in one go).. or even duff for 5 mil?
17 mil for Carrick. Tottenham just struck lottery.
I hope it's not true, or we'll end up looking very foolish. They'll take the money and buy up 2-3 other top players with it. Very shrew manager, they'll be in the Champions League in 1-2 season's time. I hope it's not at our expense.
I hope it's not true, or we'll end up looking very foolish. They'll take the money and buy up 2-3 other top players with it. Very shrew manager, they'll be in the Champions League in 1-2 season's time. I hope it's not at our expense.
Shaft said:
Rosicky : Dortmund financial situation is a mess, they need to sell. And they're not doing well in Bundesliga as well.
Duff: Chelsea doesn't need more money.
Different situations commands different fees.
If 18 million pounds is the correct fee, I'm pretty sure about 3 to 5 millions of it will depend on our success (win the league, win the ECL, etc). Which means, if we probably won some of those, those few extra millions will be worth it
I think the reason we are willing to pay so much for Carrick is because he is English. This is a fact we will remember if Ronaldo heads off to sunny Spain in a year or two. Furthermore Carrick is a proven quantity in the Premiership, unlike Diarra who could turn into the next DJX2 or Mascherano who could reveal himself Veron part two once on an English pitch. Also Carrick is the only thing going in England at the moment to fill our most pressing need. Even if we end up buying Mascherano I predict Carrick and Scholes will play at the start until Javier is adjusted to the English game.
Be thankful we now have a two footed English international who at age 24 will be ours for many years to come.
Be thankful we now have a two footed English international who at age 24 will be ours for many years to come.
in any case, i prefer spending on carrick rather than without any signings!
Decent player, good passer, has potential, but not worth more than 10 million.
And he can't tackle. With him and Scholes in the midfield, we better hope we can win a lot of 4-3 matches. We still need a ball winner in the midfield. And Carrick isn't him.
And he can't tackle. With him and Scholes in the midfield, we better hope we can win a lot of 4-3 matches. We still need a ball winner in the midfield. And Carrick isn't him.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5222956.stm
Carrick 'finally set' for Man Utd
Manchester United are set to complete the protracted transfer of Tottenham midfielder Michael Carrick, according to newspaper reports.
Spurs rejected a £10m bid for the 25-year-old midfielder over six weeks ago but are now believed to have agreed to a deal worth about £15m.
The cash is likely to come from United striker Ruud van Nistlerooy's expected £10m transfer to Real Madrid.
Carrick cost Spurs £2.75m when he joined from West Ham in August 2004.
The midfielder has won seven England caps, making his debut when coming on as a substitute against Mexico in 2001.
He was part of England's World Cup squad but made just one appearance in Germany, in the 1-0 win over Ecuador in the first game of the knockout stages.
Carrick 'finally set' for Man Utd
Manchester United are set to complete the protracted transfer of Tottenham midfielder Michael Carrick, according to newspaper reports.
Spurs rejected a £10m bid for the 25-year-old midfielder over six weeks ago but are now believed to have agreed to a deal worth about £15m.
The cash is likely to come from United striker Ruud van Nistlerooy's expected £10m transfer to Real Madrid.
Carrick cost Spurs £2.75m when he joined from West Ham in August 2004.
The midfielder has won seven England caps, making his debut when coming on as a substitute against Mexico in 2001.
He was part of England's World Cup squad but made just one appearance in Germany, in the 1-0 win over Ecuador in the first game of the knockout stages.
Michel04 said:
Afecking men. If they are going to spend that much then might as well of spent the 25mil on Masch!
Very good post. He's a good signing with whom I'll be quite happy, but a tough tackling partner for him would be great.VanNistelrater said:
VanNistelrater said:
I agree.
Actually i'm a litte confused. One side of me says 'is he good enough defensively?' Because he isnt the best tackler, he is pretty slow. On the hand he doesnt get enough goals. So have we created problems for ourselves in the future. Will he have to accomadate him and compromise in other areas.VanNistelrater said:
But on the other hand, he gives us what we've been missing all along, that is quality passing in the middle. We have been for some time rubbish in central areas, mainly passing. And with Carrrick you get that guarantee, he's wonderful at spraying passes around from the middle of the pitch and deeper. I just feel that someone like mascherano would complete us.
Some of the moaning on here amazes me. Our midfield is the weakest link in the team, and we have just strengthened it with one of the best young midfielders in the premier league, with qualities that we need (strength, passing ability and a strong character). Granted, he doesn't have a fancy name (mascherano can piss off), neither did sheringham.
djemba's arse said:
We needed a defensive midfielder and ended up with Carrick. I wouldnt be happy if we replace VDS with the new Maradona.
devilish said:
You are thick
If the lad joins us we need to back him until such a time as he makes it impossible. he looks decent to me, but i do not think he has all of the necessary qualities that we require.
Am I the only one who thinks he looks like a more experienced fletcher?
We have over-paid (again) and unless he is joined by another MF or winger (freeing up Giggsy for MF) I feel he may not have the desired impact.
Hope I'm wrong - Welcome to United Mikey Boy
Good luck and all that!
Am I the only one who thinks he looks like a more experienced fletcher?
We have over-paid (again) and unless he is joined by another MF or winger (freeing up Giggsy for MF) I feel he may not have the desired impact.
Hope I'm wrong - Welcome to United Mikey Boy
Good luck and all that!
Carrick is better then Fletch.
djemba's arse said:
And it still is.
Just had a nasty thought. The last time we bought a slow non-tackling ball splaying midfielder, it was Neil Webb. I hope everyone is wrong about the tackling ability.
VanNistelrater said:
Spot on in particular about the part where we need a player that is always looking for the ball wanting to do something with it. We do need that ball winner as you say though but i'm not hoping for much on that front I think this is our one piece of business this summer hope i'm wrong. I think you need a player like Carrick when playing Europe these days with Pirlo and Alonso being examples of these somebody who can dictate the pace of the game.
Whiteside said:
What about Veron he wasn't the quickest, couldn't tackle but was an awesome passer.
He can tackle, he can pass, has a great footballing brain and can dictate the flow of the game. Hes also young and English.
Hope the deal goes through.
Hope the deal goes through.
devilish said:
So, so true.
Well good to see we got him.
Of course the price seems to be a bit over the top. But it doesn't really matter if it's 10mil or 18mil, if he'll go on and enjoy a great carrier at United...
Of course the price seems to be a bit over the top. But it doesn't really matter if it's 10mil or 18mil, if he'll go on and enjoy a great carrier at United...
soma1982 said:
but we had Roy Keane in the team during that time. If we go into the new season with this midfield i am gonna be extremely worried about the lack of physical presence. I'm sure im not the only one who thinks that.
soma1982 said:
Yes he could pass. I remember the very game he fecked his utd carreer. V west ham - he lost the ball and made no attempt to win it back. the fans booed. He was a wanker for that. I am very critical of players who dont care about losing the ball.
having said all that - he had a lot more to his game than webby
I can't believe so many people are angry at signing such a quality English player.
I also as more of a Scholes replacement than a Keane one, although capable of playing next to Scholes. If we can get another midfielder in as well our squad will be excellent.
I also as more of a Scholes replacement than a Keane one, although capable of playing next to Scholes. If we can get another midfielder in as well our squad will be excellent.
Come on, he's a class act- anyone who's watched Spurs' matches over the last year will have seen him playing a mixture of simple passing and long range gems. In addition, i seem to remember him slalom through the entire arsenal back four. He does however lack the defensive steel that everyone is harping on about. Mascherano would be his perfect midfield partner- not sure how acurate this is but i think i remember seeing a stat the Masc put in the most tackles per match in the WC.
Watch some of his passes here against Ecuador
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6jqE4rMejw&search=Michael Carrick
On the counter, his through-balls will be usefull in feeding in either Rooney or the wingers (e.g. Park or Ronaldo).
I think he'll do well here, he's defensively not the best but in my opinion he doesn't need to be doing thunderous sliding tackles as long as he can read the game well and intercept dangerous passes.
Some of the other central midfielders we've tried barring probably Scholes and Keano just do simple direct passes which don't really mount to anything, this guy seems to be more creative and willing to be a bit adventurous with his passing. Reminds me a bit of Kleberson but i hope he fares better because he certainly is a smart player.
The way some over here put it though, you'd think he was a lanky poof. He is a decent protector of the backfour from what i've seen of him. Anyways there was always going to be criticism because he's not the most glamorous of signings but then again we are used to this sort of thing, some thought signing van der saar was wrong if i am not mistaken.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6jqE4rMejw&search=Michael Carrick
On the counter, his through-balls will be usefull in feeding in either Rooney or the wingers (e.g. Park or Ronaldo).
I think he'll do well here, he's defensively not the best but in my opinion he doesn't need to be doing thunderous sliding tackles as long as he can read the game well and intercept dangerous passes.
Some of the other central midfielders we've tried barring probably Scholes and Keano just do simple direct passes which don't really mount to anything, this guy seems to be more creative and willing to be a bit adventurous with his passing. Reminds me a bit of Kleberson but i hope he fares better because he certainly is a smart player.
The way some over here put it though, you'd think he was a lanky poof. He is a decent protector of the backfour from what i've seen of him. Anyways there was always going to be criticism because he's not the most glamorous of signings but then again we are used to this sort of thing, some thought signing van der saar was wrong if i am not mistaken.