US Recognises Kosovo

ILBB15 said:
I wonder why nobody mentions the amount of drugs that are being produced in Kosovo and exported and the amount of organized crime and prostitution. How they think that Kosovo will function as an independent nation is beyond me. I understand that the EU will pretty much administrate the region in the beggning if Kosovo is recognised but they'll have some work to do if they want to achieve something.
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News from a German newspaper from Berlin

http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-zeitung/archiv/.bin/dump.fcgi/2006/0807/politik/0037/index.html

"An interesting aspect of the culminations relating to Kosovo’s status, is the classified reports by intelligence agencies such as the German BND, that have pointed out towards the creation of a “Mafia state” in the heart of the Balkans, that will ultimately assist the proliferation of organized crime activities in Europe. In a 67 page report that was published on the 22nd of February 2005, BND analysts concluded first of all that there is “Close interaction between the leading members of the Kosovo-Albanian society and the domestic & international underworld currently domiciled in Pristina”.

Moreover “The criminal networks don’t support the creation of a stable political and economic environment, since that will reduce their clout”. Thus the crime kingpins “Want to acquire elevated positions within the apparatus of the provisional government and influence directly the politicians”. In short organized crime groups in Kosovo are in the position of dictating the rules of the game in case the Province becomes independent. Note however that BND characterizes Kosovo as “A critical region for the transportation of narcotics from the East to Western Europe”. Common knowledge suggests that such a state will base its economic survival into continuing its lucrative use as a contraband paradise for illegal commodities."
 
Mihajlovic said:
Well if this is how you see it than even the new Kosovo should split in half because the Albanians do NOT represent the majority in the Northern parts of their new independent state.

Once you start something like this you have to be consistent. In a couple of years you could then have 20 more new little countries.
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Depends on whether they have the political voice to be heard. Groups of nutters in Wales have been demanding independence for years, no-one listens to them.

It's nationalism, and yes it's divisive, you should understand, being such a staunch nationalist yourself.
 
Mihajlovic said:
Well my parents are not engineers, unfortunatelly, and if you live in Germany you should know damn well that the economy is slowly going down, that unemployment is still increasing and that the Hartz IV was a desaster.
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I don't know any of that. All I know is I will get a job after my degree.
 
Mihajlovic said:
Exactly.

Kosovo declared independence Sunday, but it's unlikely any time soon to become the world's 193rd country. What it will almost certainly be is a failed state, unrecognized by the United Nations, unable to govern itself, dependent on Europe for its police and NATO for its armed forces.

After eight years as an international protectorate and billions of dollars in aid and reconstruction funds, its economic prospects are grim. Unemployment is 57 percent, and among youths it's more like 70 percent; half the population is under 25. Small wonder then that its chief export is organized crime. It remains ethnically cleansed of its Serb minority, who only survive in the province under armed guard by NATO. And it has the potential of provoking a wider conflict as other powers try to work out just what to do about yet another intractable Balkan mess.

from today's Newsweek
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But does it have the potential to be self-sustaining? It's new status should attract more investment and loans. Slovenia has done well and Montenegro has potential.
 
crappycraperson said:
I don't know any of that. All I know is I will get a job after my degree.
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Good man, good for you. It's just not all love and happiness in Germany as many people think it is. A friend of mine has a degree in BWL which is something like Economics/Busniess. Cant find a job since 4 years now. Another friend finished architecture with the best possible grade ever, she cant find a job either and it's been three years now.
 
France recognise
Britain do too
Cos when yanks get impatient, we dancin to they tune
What you gon' do? You really don't know.
So I'd advice you to keep it on the low
Cos China ain't blinkin', and neither is the Russians
But no-one know if them niggaz jus' bluffin
Now as the game get bigger and the sun rotate
How many countries gonna recognise this state
Named Kosovo?
 
Grinner said:
But does it have the potential to be self-sustaining? It's new status should attract more investment and loans. Slovenia has done well and Montenegro has potential.
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When Slovenia for example became independent they inherited a good infrastructure and many other things in their nation was already in a good shape. The Kosovo region is basically like a 3rd world country. Can't be compared.
 
Mihajlovic said:
feckin hell dont ever do this again, I nearly got a heart attack out of joy and happiness!!! :nervous:
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:lol:

Plechazunga said:
France recognise
Britain do too
Cos when yanks get impatient, something gotta go
What you gon' do? You really don't know.
So I'd advice you to keep it on the low
Cos China ain't blinkin', and neither is the Russians
But no-one know if them niggaz jus' bluffin
Now as the game get bigger and the sun rotate
How many countries gonna recognise this state
Named Kosovo?
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:lol:
 
Grinner said:
But does it have the potential to be self-sustaining? It's new status should attract more investment and loans. Slovenia has done well and Montenegro has potential.
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I dont think so. Kosovo was backwards even during the old Yugoslavia. I remember we had some kind of charities called "Dinar za Kosovo" or something like this, where people would give a certain precentage of their loan to support that region. And that was in the 80s!

First of all what type of industry would you need to establish down there, to provide jobs for hundreds of thousands of people, what would they be able to produce and to export? I havent got a clue. I reckon nobody does. Tourism- no chance? Extremelly bad, undeveloped infrastructure. It's all gonna be down to farming and agriculture and massive financial support by the EU.

Also you would have to get rid of the mafia structure which practically runs the country. How is this ever gonna happen, God knows.

#Slovenia - what ILBB said.
#Montenegro - population only ca. 550000, infrastructure a bit better and and already established and experienced tourism busniess
 
Plechazunga said:
France recognise
Britain do too
Cos when yanks get impatient, we dancin to they tune
What you gon' do? You really don't know.
So I'd advice you to keep it on the low
Cos China ain't blinkin', and neither is the Russians
But no-one know if them niggaz jus' bluffin
Now as the game get bigger and the sun rotate
How many countries gonna recognise this state
Named Kosovo?
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MC Plech :lol: excellent
 
Mihajlovic said:
Good man, good for you. It's just not all love and happiness in Germany as many people think it is. A friend of mine has a degree in BWL which is something like Economics/Busniess. Cant find a job since 4 years now. Another friend finished architecture with the best possible grade ever, she cant find a job either and it's been three years now.
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Architecture is bit of a shit field to be in right now TBH.
And it depends which course he did in Economics, one of my friend also was unemployed for an year or so, before finding a job in that field. That too in Munich. Loads of technical jobs for engineers and management jobs with an IT slant for business majors.
 
ILBB15 said:
When Slovenia for example became independent they inherited a good infrastructure and many other things in their nation was already in a good shape. The Kosovo region is basically like a 3rd world country. Can't be compared.
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I reckon that is due to Serbia's mis-government of the region and the fact that it has treated the indigenous population as second-hand citizens for more than a generation (since about 1981 I reckon). No jobs, no opportunity for education, a state police installed to stifle the population and let's not forget the genocidal thugs of Arkan roaming the countryside to ensure people 'behaved'.

I'm frankly amazed it's lasted this long. Independence will at least remove the unnecessary layer of Serb govt, and give the people a better chance than what they have had. What they do with it's up to them. I frankly hope they don't drop the ball.
 
Mihajlovic said:
I dont think so. Kosovo was backwards even during the old Yugoslavia. I remember we had some kind of charities called "Dinar za Kosovo" or something like this, where people would give a certain precentage of their loan to support that region. And that was in the 80s!

First of all what type of industry would you need to establish down there, to provide jobs for hundreds of thousands of people, what would they be able to produce and to export? I havent got a clue. I reckon nobody does. Tourism- no chance? Extremelly bad, undeveloped infrastructure. It's all gonna be down to farming and agriculture and massive financial support by the EU.

Also you would have to get rid of the mafia structure which practically runs the country. How is this ever gonna happen, God knows.

#Slovenia - what ILBB said.
#Montenegro - population only ca. 550000, infrastructure a bit better and and already established and experienced tourism busniess
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Fair enough, but it's not much of an argument for not granting independence is it? If it was such a drain on Serbia and the EU and is currently exporting criminal enterprises throughout the region, why not see if independence will make things better?

What's the argument for maintaining the status quo other than not offending Serbia.
 
Grinner said:
What's the argument for maintaining the status quo other than not offending Serbia.
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The Albanians in Macedonia can in a couple of years start to demand a new nation or to become a part of Kosovo, the same thing goes for Montenegro when the Albanians get established in numbers over there as they have already started to do. The region might become unstable again because of this. It is totally against international law, since Kosovo hasn't been recognised by the UN. This is also against UN resolution 1244 that was established in 1999.
 
Suedesi said:
I reckon that is due to Serbia's mis-government of the region and the fact that it has treated the indigenous population as second-hand citizens for more than a generation (since about 1981 I reckon). No jobs, no opportunity for education, a state police installed to stifle the population and let's not forget the genocidal thugs of Arkan roaming the countryside to ensure people 'behaved'.

I'm frankly amazed it's lasted this long. Independence will at least remove the unnecessary layer of Serb govt, and give the people a better chance than what they have had. What they do with it's up to them. I frankly hope they don't drop the ball.
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In other words the new, democratically elected, pro-Western Serbian Prime Minister Tadic is today not being treated differently than Milosevic was treated almost 10 years ago. It doesn’t count that it was the Serbs who in October 2000 got rid of Milosevic and that it was the new Serbian government that extradited him to Den Hague. It does not matter that Milosevic is dead and gone and the Serbian people have moved on. Basically the whole Serbian population including the new government (which the West ever so favours) is being held responsible for what happened almost a decade ago! The infamous ‘Belgrade rule’ has ended on October the 5th 2000 yet its people are still being punished for policies of Slobodan Milosevic?? This doesnt make any sense at all.

That "unnecessary layer of Serb govt" you are talking about was removed exactly nine years ago!
 
Suedesi said:
I reckon that is due to Serbia's mis-government of the region and the fact that it has treated the indigenous population as second-hand citizens for more than a generation (since about 1981 I reckon). No jobs, no opportunity for education, a state police installed to stifle the population and let's not forget the genocidal thugs of Arkan roaming the countryside to ensure people 'behaved'.
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Kosovo couldn't even be integrated back in Titos days. The first police officer who was killed in Kosovo was a guy who was from the same village as my dad and this happend in the early 70s, during Titos days. Serbia was a part of Yugoslavia back then, and we didn't rule this country by ourselves. Special police from all parts of Yugoslavia were sent to Kosovo. The bad situation in Kosovo is dating back as far as world war 2. As Mihajlovic said earlier, programs and charities were made were we from other parts of the country would send money to Kosovo to support the region, but it didn't really make a difference in the long run.

cnuts like Arkan made things worse.
 
I flipped the script a long time ago, on the five-o
When I had to scope with this new way to make my cash flow
Yes indeedy, I wasnt greedy, got my niggaz out the gutter,
Now they're rolling with the sam sneezy.
Hip hop fanatic causing static in the industry,
These whack creators, I call em imitators (ah yeah).
Been trying to see me, but see I'm unexplanatory,
With the fame and glory, thats why I gotta tell my story.
With no disguise, a lot of niggaz despise,
Because I'm on an uprise, so I think you better recognize.

Sam Snead feat. Kosovan motherfeckers
 
sincher said:
I flipped the script a long time ago, on the five-o
When I had to scope with this new way to make my cash flow
Yes indeedy, I wasnt greedy, got my niggaz out the gutter,
Now they're rolling with the sam sneezy.
Hip hop fanatic causing static in the industry,
These whack creators, I call em imitators (ah yeah).
Been trying to see me, but see I'm unexplanatory,
With the fame and glory, thats why I gotta tell my story.
With no disguise, a lot of niggaz despise,
Because I'm on an uprise, so I think you better recognize.

Sam Snead feat. Kosovan motherfeckers
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:D I think we need a 'hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop' poetry thread on this forum!
 
Mihajlovic said:
In other words the new, democratically elected, pro-Western Serbian Prime Minister Tadic is today not being treated differently than Milosevic was treated almost 10 years ago. It doesn’t count that it was the Serbs who in October 2000 got rid of Milosevic and that it was the new Serbian government that extradited him to Den Hague. It does not matter that Milosevic is dead and gone and the Serbian people have moved on. Basically the whole Serbian population including the new government (which the West ever so favours) is being held responsible for what happened almost a decade ago! The infamous ‘Belgrade rule’ has ended on October the 5th 2000 yet its people are still being punished for policies of Slobodan Milosevic?? This doesnt make any sense at all.

That "unnecessary layer of Serb govt" you are talking about was removed exactly nine years ago!
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Independence is the most sensible solution. It's not perfect, but you can't really ask Kosovars to embrace Serbia after 1 million people were displaced during the war, thousands killed, hundreds of homes burnt and $millions of property destroyed less than 10 years ago, 'because the guy who was responsible for it all is now dead'. You've just trivialized the whole conflict and put it firmly in Slobodan's doorstep, so I have a question for you, Why don't you ask the Bosnians and the Croats to join back now that Serbia is 'democratic' (whatever that means) and that the old commies are dead... You would be laughed out of an mental institution.
 
ILBB15 said:
Kosovo couldn't even be integrated back in Titos days. The first police officer who was killed in Kosovo was a guy who was from the same village as my dad and this happend in the early 70s, during Titos days. Serbia was a part of Yugoslavia back then, and we didn't rule this country by ourselves. Special police from all parts of Yugoslavia were sent to Kosovo. The bad situation in Kosovo is dating back as far as world war 2. As Mihajlovic said earlier, programs and charities were made were we from other parts of the country would send money to Kosovo to support the region, but it didn't really make a difference in the long run.

cnuts like Arkan made things worse.
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Those bastids. They bankrupted the whole of Yugoslavia, so much so that a once proud Serbian peasant like you is reduced to seek charity in Germany. My heart bleeds.
 
Suedesi said:
Those bastids. They bankrupted the whole of Yugoslavia, so much so that a once proud Serbian peasant like you is reduced to seek charity in Germany. My heart bleeds.
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Err? I don't really know how to answer this post since I have no idea what you're on about.
 
SNOOP RECOGNISES KOSOVO

The fledgeling state of Kosovo received a major boost today when Snoop
Dogg officially recognised it. "For sho', you know I gots to recognise,"
remarked the hip-hop artist and sometime procurer of prostitutes,
impressed by the extent of the sex and drugs trades in the breakaway
republic. "Oh, they pimpin' ", he commented, "And homie got some blow,
for real. Ooh-whee, put it in the air."

Snoop was joined in his act of recognition by the US, Dr. Dre, Britain,
Germany, France, Bishop Lamont, and Italy. Earlier in the day, the self-
proclaimed Government of Kosovo had sent a letter to all 192 UN member
nations, proclaiming statehood and requesting formal recognition.

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Snoop: "I gots to recognise"​

However, security council members Russia, China and Fifty Cent have
all rejected the claim. Russia referred to the new entity as a "false state",
while Fiddy was reported as shouting in an animated fashion, "Them
bitches need a slap-down, knowmsayn? Because shit is fecked up." And
legendary New York rapper Tim Dogg, in a rare display of East Coast -
West Coast unity, agreed, saying, "You cain't just go sendin out no letter,
expectin to be recognised or whatever. You want niggaz to recognise, you
gots to make 'em recognise, knowmsayn? You gots to take a muthafeckin
corner, shoot a cop, lay down a muthafeckin beat, something. A
letter - that is some bitch-ass shit, knowmsayin'? That be, like, a weak-ass
move," adding, " 'n' shit."

With the security council split, and EU members Spain, Cyprus, Romania,
Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Slick Rick all demurring, due to fears over their
own separatists, solidarity with Serbia, and drunkenness, respectively, the
Kosovars look to have a long wait in store for membership of the UN. But
president Hashim Thaci remains in ebullient mood, saying, "We have
waited for this day for a long-ass time." From today, he said, Kosovo was
"proud, independent, free, and wilin' out. Niggaz best watch they backs,
knowmsayn?" A statement that will certainly not fall on deaf ears in
Moscow, Beijing or Compton tonight.
 
ILBB15 said:
Err? I don't really know how to answer this post since I have no idea what you're on about.
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Ok, let me break it down for you.

I think it's fecking disingenuous to bring up aid and charity when you've raped and pillaged the region and denied the Kosovans of almost any means of economic development through the double plague of communism and nationalism.

Secondly I think it's equally disingenuous for most Serbs who have never set foot in Kosovo let alone have any aspirations of living there have any say how the population (which is 90% non-Serb) is governed and run. I think the faster we separate myth from reality the faster the region can go fwd.
 
Plechazunga said:
SNOOP RECOGNISES KOSOVO

The fledgeling state of Kosovo received a major boost today when Snoop
Dogg officially recognised it. "For sho', you know I gots to recognise,"
remarked the hip-hop artist and sometime procurer of prostitutes,
impressed by the extent of the sex and drugs trades in the breakaway
republic. "Oh, they pimpin' ", he commented, "And homie got some blow,
for real. Ooh-whee, put it in the air."

Snoop was joined in his act of recognition by the US, Dr. Dre, Britain,
Germany, France, Bishop Lamont, and Italy. Earlier in the day, the self-
proclaimed Government of Kosovo had sent a letter to all 192 UN member
nations, proclaiming statehood and requesting formal recognition.
snoop%20dogg%20head%20shot.JPG

Snoop: "I gots to recognise"​
However, security council members Russia, China and Fifty Cent have
all rejected the claim. Russia referred to the new entity as a "false state",
while Fiddy was reported as shouting in an animated fashion, "Them
bitches need a slap-down, knowmsayn? Because shit is fecked up." And
legendary New York rapper Tim Dogg, in a rare display of East Coast -
West Coast unity, agreed, saying, "You cain't just go sendin out no letter,
expectin to be recognised or whatever. You want niggaz to recognise, you
gots to make 'em recognise, knowmsayn? You gots to take a muthafeckin
corner, shoot a cop, lay down a muthafeckin beat, something. A
letter - that is some bitch-ass shit, knowmsayin'? That be, like, a weak-ass
move," adding, " 'n' shit."

With the security council split, and EU members Spain, Cyprus, Romania,
Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Slick Rick all demurring, due to fears over their
own separatists, solidarity with Serbia, and drunkenness, respectively, the
Kosovars look to have a long wait in store for membership of the UN. But
president Hashim Thaci remains in ebullient mood, saying, "We have
waited for this day for a long-ass time." From today, he said, Kosovo was
"proud, independent, free, and wilin' out. Niggaz best watch they backs,
knowmsayn?" A statement that will certainly not fall on deaf ears in
Moscow, Beijing or Compton tonight.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7149782.stm

Check out them sources on Fiddy. He is pro independence for them hoppers, aight?
 
Suedesi said:
Ok, let me break it down for you.

I think it's fecking disingenuous to bring up aid and charity when you've raped and pillaged the region and denied the Kosovans of almost any means of economic development through the double plague of communism and nationalism.

I think I made it very clear in my post that I was talking about the days when Tito was in charge. Didn't I also add in the end that cnuts like Arkan made everything worse later? You seem to have some kind of agenda against me everytime I post since you always turn around and interpret my posts in a different way.

And what the hell do you mean with that "a once proud Serbian peasant like you is reduced to seek charity in Germany" comment? Was this aimed as some kind of an insult?

Secondly I think it's equally disingenuous for most Serbs who have never set foot in Kosovo let alone have any aspirations of living there have any say how the population (which is 90% non-Serb) is governed and run. I think the faster we separate myth from reality the faster the region can go fwd.
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The fact that our nation was first created in this region and that it has been a part of Serbia for a long time gives us a great right to have a say about this.
 
Suedesi said:
Ok, let me break it down for you.

I think it's fecking disingenuous to bring up aid and charity when you've raped and pillaged the region and denied the Kosovans of almost any means of economic development through the double plague of communism and nationalism.

Secondly I think it's equally disingenuous for most Serbs who have never set foot in Kosovo let alone have any aspirations of living there have any say how the population (which is 90% non-Serb) is governed and run. I think the faster we separate myth from reality the faster the region can go fwd.
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Stop being such a fecking idiot. The charity was established by the central Yugoslav government and all rich Yugoslav republics contributed towards it. It wasnt just Serbs, it was Croats, Slovenians, etc. Economically we all acted as one country.
 
Independence is the most sensible solution. It's not perfect, but you can't really ask Kosovars to embrace Serbia after 1 million people were displaced during the war,
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There are no Kosovars. There are only Kosovo-Albanians. Amongst those one million displaced people during the NATO bombardment, ALL peoples of Kosov and Metohija were displaced regardless of their ethnicity.

thousands killed, hundreds of homes burnt and $millions of property destroyed less than 10 years ago, 'because the guy who was responsible for it all is now dead'.
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Yea, that shit happens when you fight terrorists. You probably just swallowed all the propaganda from CNN and BBC and thought damn, what an injustice. It's not my problem you are a sheep.

You've just trivialized the whole conflict and put it firmly in Slobodan's doorstep, so I have a question for you, Why don't you ask the Bosnians and the Croats to join back now that Serbia is 'democratic' (whatever that means) and that the old commies are dead... You would be laughed out of an mental institution.
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And you just overgeneralized the whole conflict (thousands of deaths, millions of refugees..). Some of the Bosnians, namely the Bosnian Serbs, will join Serbia, sooner or later. To ask the Croats anything makes no sense, we dont wanna live with them anyway.
 
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