Conveniently forgetting mass murder, ethnic cleasing and mass raping orchestrated by serb militia for years. Some of those war criminals respectively their political arm are now sitting in the serb parliament. As the strongest faction i might add.
US Recognises Kosovo
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Conveniently forgetting mass murder, ethnic cleasing and mass raping orchestrated by serb militia for years. Some of those war criminals respectively their political arm are now sitting in the serb parliament. As the strongest faction i might add.
I knew all this would very soon get to the point when you would just repeat some stuff they brainwashed you with on bbc and the daily mirror, using all those nice "key words" with no factual meaning behind it whatsoever. Good job.
some stuff...
brainwashed...
no factual meaning...
We're talking genocide here. During the Srebrenica Massacre alone an estimated 8.200 Bosnian people were brutally slaughtered.
You sound like those fanatical thugs who are still trying to "prove" that Auschwitz never existed.
Victims?
I rest my case.
Listen, it's quite obvious that you dont know what you're talking about. I assume you find reading more broadly and critically either boring or scary. Try watching this documentary instead, and see how you feel afterwards.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay...=44&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
And please, dont be such a spastic and mention Auschwitz in this context again.
I watched that documentary when you posted the link before. What a lovely piece of pro-Serbian propaganda it turned out to be.
So you rather prefer to watch pro-Croatian propaganda? Is anything thats speaks in favour of the Serbs propaganda by default? Documentaries, books, etc.?
You you actually want to tell us that genocide in Srebrenica didn´t happen?
Have a read through a few articles and then you tell me if it was genocide or not.
THE ICTY CALLS IT ‘GENOCIDE’
By Michael Mandel
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/icty.htm
WAS SREBRENICA A HOAX? Eye-Witness Account
of a Former United Nations Military Observer in Bosnia
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/hoax.htm
Was 'Srebrenica genocide' a hoax?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55467
THE POLITICS OF THE SREBRENICA MASSACRE
by Edward S. Herman
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/politics.htm
THE NUMBERS GAME
by Jonathan Rooper
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/numbers.htm
Key Srebrenica Witness Admits Lying
by Chris Stephen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991985/posts
"The Srebrenica Massacre": A Hoax?
By George Pumphrey
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~bip/docs/kosovo_polje/srebrenica_hoax.html
Srebrenica - The Deconstruction of a Trauma
By René Grémaux and Abe de Vries
http://www.tenc.net/analysis/falsely.htm
Srebrenica Massacre: Photo Story
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/
Shadows of Srebrenica - Not letting facts get in the way
by N. Malic
http://www.antiwar.com/malic/m072002.html
Video Srebrenica manipulations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SabukNnhuSg
Srebrenica: Executions and Mass Murders
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/065.shtml
Hell, the link above compares Carla Del Ponte with Adolf Hitler for fecks sake.
This is getting out of hand. The mods should take a look at this thread. A poster who is denying a mass genocide and is feeding us with ultranationalistic propaganda? Disgusting.
wow, how can it be a hoax when they are finding mass graves all the time. Where do those graves come from? I find it hard to believe that someone can deny something that happened in the age of internet and other modern communications, forensics, etc.... incredible
It's not about denial, nistelroy, it's just about getting a fuller picture. If you would have made the effort to go through that stuff, you would have seen exactly what this was all about. Nobody is denying any crimes though.
Haha, you're a funny man. Why dont you first take a look at the thread before you cry for justice?
(and no, the link does not compare Carla Del Ponte with Adolf Hitler. read again.)
Do you think the outside world is crazy or what? How can you use somebody like Herman as an argument? But ok, I am done with you. You can go back to your western evil ideas and so on...
Mihajlovic there is no point trying to tell these guys any different. We are just bloodthirsty savages to them.
Forget the fact what happened to Serbs in Srebrenica before the much publicized and over exaggerated 'genocide'.
Do you guys even realise that on our CHRISTMAS the bosnians killed 49 Serbs. War is a dirty game and every action has a reaction, of course there was gonna be a retaliation. its just that the way the muslims fought in Bosnia was like this.
- Provoke Serbs by shooting/killing'
- Wait for Serbs to retaliate
- Make sure that the media watch the Serb retaliation
- Portray the Serbs as the aggressors
- Let NATO step in
There are hundreds of articles from NON Serbs that say they bombed the wrong side and explain in detail the situation.
The whole Kosovo issue is a fecking travesty in International Law but this proves that in this day and age whoever has the power calls the shots.
Forget the fact what happened to Serbs in Srebrenica before the much publicized and over exaggerated 'genocide'.
Do you guys even realise that on our CHRISTMAS the bosnians killed 49 Serbs. War is a dirty game and every action has a reaction, of course there was gonna be a retaliation. its just that the way the muslims fought in Bosnia was like this.
- Provoke Serbs by shooting/killing'
- Wait for Serbs to retaliate
- Make sure that the media watch the Serb retaliation
- Portray the Serbs as the aggressors
- Let NATO step in
There are hundreds of articles from NON Serbs that say they bombed the wrong side and explain in detail the situation.
The whole Kosovo issue is a fecking travesty in International Law but this proves that in this day and age whoever has the power calls the shots.
Funnily you are referring to the international law but when ICTY judged that the genocide was actually committed you are acting like the biggest victims of a big media conspiracy.
ICTY
btw, what you think about this:
http://4international.wordpress.com...ss-murder-of-serbs-in-srebrenica-and-gorazde/
genocide or propaganda?
ICTY
btw, what you think about this:
http://4international.wordpress.com...ss-murder-of-serbs-in-srebrenica-and-gorazde/
genocide or propaganda?
what´s funny about ICTY?
You might find the answer there.
That's exactly what Im talking about. No matter what I present to you (which would argue in favour of the Serbs position) you would immediately either disregard it as propaganda or try to find information which would support your position. But the problem is that you already have decided on this matter which makes automatically makes your views biased. You seem to be so naive in your faith that all you have heard on bbc and cnn is true, by default. No questioning. However, if you would have checked other news reports, from all around the world, you would see that the truth is much more complicated that how you're picturing it in your head. It is therefore extremely difficult to talk and reason with people like you. Do you really think hard? Are you never suspicious? Obviously no one is disputing that tens of thousands of Muslims died, but tell me do you exactly know how many were killed by Serbs, how many by Croats and how many by Abdic? Or is all you can say about the conflict just based on constantly repeating the magic words "genocide genocide" and the stuff you find on wikipedia? Dont you ever wonder who then killed tens of thousands of Serbian civilians? Or how many civilians died during the Muslim-Croatian conflict in Hercegovina? I could go on for an hour like this, asking you simple questions which demand a broad knowledge on that matter and which you, obviously, dont posses! I dont mean to talk down on you or something, it's just that you cant argue like this any more, there are too many things that need to be considered before you make bold statements.
I will come back to this later.
Ok.
Listen -
This was a fecking WAR. There were killings on all sides and there are so many Albanian war criminals who have never faced the courts, Croatian ones too. Bringing up the same old 'genocide' is just boring now. You can't look past the fence and see what happened. Look at this video for some enlightenment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3-9tqEBWBM - dont know how to embed.
The international law I am referring to is 1244 of the Security Council. Read up on that will you.
What answer exactly? It was a war, of course there were bombings. Your only view of the situation is 'Genocide' 'Murder' therefore Serbs should pay the ultimate penalty possible.
Calm down, stop overreacting and stop making things up like in your last sentence.
Overreacting. Thats a good one, kind of like the 'genocide' you keep going on about.
Bush OKs supplying arms to Kosovo
AFP ^ | March 19, 2008
WASHINGTON (AFP) — President George W. Bush authorized Wednesday supplying Kosovo with weapons, signaling the establishment of government-to-government relations after recognizing its independence, the White House said.
In a memo to the State Department made public by the White House, Bush said: "I hereby find that the furnishing of defense articles and defense services to Kosovo will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace."
A senior official said the authorization followed US recognition of Kosovo's independence and was part of the normal process of establishing relations with a new government.
AFP ^ | March 19, 2008
WASHINGTON (AFP) — President George W. Bush authorized Wednesday supplying Kosovo with weapons, signaling the establishment of government-to-government relations after recognizing its independence, the White House said.
In a memo to the State Department made public by the White House, Bush said: "I hereby find that the furnishing of defense articles and defense services to Kosovo will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace."
A senior official said the authorization followed US recognition of Kosovo's independence and was part of the normal process of establishing relations with a new government.
ICTY
btw, what you think about this:
http://4international.wordpress.com...ss-murder-of-serbs-in-srebrenica-and-gorazde/
genocide or propaganda?
absolutely horrendous pictures on that site
First of all there is nothing like a position or opinion here. You are simply denying historical facts, because they are very unpleasant to you. I am sure Ahmadinejad would also present his "evidence" about holocaust. But I don´t expect you to understand this now. It took some time to Turkey to accept their responsibility for Armenian genocide. And it will take some time here too. Maybe. This region was always extremely unstable.
Yeah, I buy everything from TV. That´s why I supported the US action to topple regime of Saddam Hussein and that´s why I still support it. That´s what all media says, right? And if you mean by suspicious that e.g. none of Jews came on work on 9/11, no I am not.
Well, I agree actually. There could be a complex debate on whatever matter. But it´s actually your position which makes it impossible. We can´t start a topic on something when you deny absolutely basic facts. But when somebody oppose you it´s all "you just see blood in our eyes" "the Serbs were murdered too" "you all see our faults". "We are the victims"... "Serbs should pay the ultimate penalty possible"....
Yes, there were atrocities on both sides. But IMO to point out at the others faults and actually denying your own, that´s not the best starting point.
Dude Im not denying my own, I am questioning the numbers and it is perfectly reasonable to do that. Im saying what you hear and see in mainstream media is not completely true, yet you act like you know it all, but how can you really know if media is your only source of information? What if there is only 50% truth in media reports? What historical facts are you talking about? Who determines those "historical facts"? Wikipedia? CNN and BBC? The State Department? Many stories were published in loads of newspapers, I am interested in how you decide which ones you trust and which not? What's your methodology?
I have to say that my view until a couple of months ago was largely shaped by what I read in the UK press. Prodded by our man above I've done a bit of digging and have to say that it is at the least questionable whether the UK media consensus is accurate.
I have contacted the BBC a few months ago, through a friend who works for the BBC, asking if they would be interesting in making a certain documentary on Kosovo. I presented them with the complete outline which I worked out with some people from Germany and explained what the focus would be and that it would be of great importance for the public, providing information which would show the ‘other side’ etc.. I agreed to hand them over the complete footage, while editing would be done by us, of course. They were not interested. When I asked for the reasons, if it’s maybe too controversial, they said that such a documentary would not reflect the BBC policy of standards of information or some crap like that and basically the person who decides about it said to my friend this type of documentary will never be shown on BBC as long as he is there.
Well, I am far away from knowing all. But let´s forget all the media. Somewhere at the beginning you laughed at ICTY. Why? Why you don´t believe in what are they saying? Do you consider them biased agianst Serbs? If yes, why?
I don't think it's questionable that the Serbs committed a number of atrocities. Whether they were provoked or not only provides a mitigating circumstance, not absolution. Same goes for the Bosnians and Croats, but at least the Bosnians and Croats have cooperated with the ICTY.
I'm not interested in whitewashing the Serbs but I think the numbers at say Srebrenica may have been overstated and the context is largely ignored.
I followed the trial against Milosevic and at the moment I am following the one against Seselj, I watched probably 20 or 30 hours of the trial so far and all I can say is it is a fecked up politically motivated biased piece of crap, exposing the prosecutors who are DESPERATELY trying to prove something which is simply impossible. Some of their key witnesses have been exposed as liars, during the cross examination. The material (600.000 pages of documents)which the accused requested for his defence were denied for more than a year only to be released during the process, thus putting an extreme pressure on the accused and making it impossible to go through it. During the speech the microphones are being switched off at will, attorneys are being put forward that the accused never asked for because he is defending himself alone etc etc etc. The whole thing is a circus but it's obviously financed by the Americans and makes a lot of people feel good about themselves, so, the show must go on.
I agree. I also know you're not being a Serb apologist either.
That´s exactly the type of answer which a guilty man would apply. To question procedures, justification and finally a theory about a big american evil.
please man, I actually think you're winding me up now.did you read the Guardian article?