US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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What I find hilarious is the proliferation of ridiculous news channels we have seen in recent years - people all talk about Fox News but they have nothing on Russia Today, some of the discussion points about the presidential race, US domestic politics and foreign relations are absolutely ridiculous.

Max Keiser is a complete fruitloop. During a long rant about the financial crisis, he once called for the execution of the former head of the Anglo Irish bank while live on air.
 
Max Keiser is a complete fruitloop. During a long rant about the financial crisis, he once called for the execution of the former head of the Anglo Irish bank while live on air.

Wow... It is the stories about Anglo-American relations that I especially like, as if they are trying to find cracks to exploit. This on top of jumping up and down on every story they can manipulate into American democracy and the rule of law being subverted, this coming from a channel run from Russia is amusing.
 
Ok I've never heard of this channel but I need to find it. Sounds classic.
 
The Republican primary must be an absolute godsend for the likes of Russia Today and Press TV

Obama's a socialist... abolish government departments we can't name... sexual harassment... open relationships... zero space between US and Israel... corporations are people... Michelle Bachmann... colonise the moon
 
If Roman gets control of Alaska will he have to split it with his wife in the divorce? And who gets the ANWR?

Good stuff.
 
RT's Max Keiser at his best:



It gets good at 3:45.
 
just noticed a lot of noise on social issues are coming out.

like abortion and Marriage.

thought the GOP was done with these issues and were going for the economy.

The repubs would be wise to forget these types of issues. They are pretty much non starters right now, except for the more far wing of the base. More people are interested in economy and gov't size/spending than abortion/gay marriage/etc.
 
Surely Romney will barely mention social issues unless asked

He's already pretty much laid down his markers, a bunch of basically made-up claims:

Obama apologises for America
The stimulus didn't create any jobs (at all!)
Obama raised taxes
The economy isn't recovering
And, this week...Obama caused the recession!
 
Relax mate. What was awesome (to me) was that the guy melted down and called for an execution of a person for banking fraud. I thought it was quite funny that someone considered an expert on the topic would react in such a way unprovoked. Just imagine him on a panel where someone disagreed with him.
 
Relax mate. What was awesome (to me) was that the guy melted down and called for an execution of a person for banking fraud. I thought it was quite funny that someone considered an expert on the topic would react in such a way unprovoked. Just imagine him on a panel where someone disagreed with him.

Gotcha - I hadn't read a little earlier in the thread and thought you were pro his comments.
He's nuts, you ain't, all good.
 
Surely Romney will barely mention social issues unless asked

He's already pretty much laid down his markers, a bunch of basically made-up claims:

Obama apologises for America
The stimulus didn't create any jobs (at all!)
Obama raised taxes
The economy isn't recovering
And, this week...Obama caused the recession!

This election will certainly boil down to who's statistics you believe. And the will more than likely depend on which person you tend to believe. Most Americans can't mentally process so much of whats said in these things. Trillion dollars this and trillion dollars that just don't resonate. So much of will boil down to unemployment. The rate going up or down is easy for everyone to understand. I still think that will be the big thing. Another one that could be a problem is the price of everyday goods, especially gas. Seems stupid but nothing seems to piss off the general public more than high gas prices.
 
Don't particularly like the plan on housing and mortgages announced today. Letting people that are upside down on their mortgages refinance will do nothing for the housing market. A small percentage of people will get slightly lower mortgage payments but they will still be stuck in their home. A much better idea would be incentives attract first time buyers and people currently renting to take the plunge.
 
So on NPR yesterday they were talking about how the housing market had stagnated and prices weren't rising and wouldn't rise for the next several years. I'd prefer lowish housing prices to the constant rise of valuation that we had and led to the mortgage crisis. My parents house was valued at one time more than double what they paid for it only a few years later. It's absurd to expect prices to rise when so many Americans, especially younger ones who would be buying first homes, are unemployed or underemployed.

If I had the money or need, now would be a great time to get a house because of the deflated prices.
 
If it's already been in here apologies, but who the hell is advising Romney on what to say.
 
So on NPR yesterday they were talking about how the housing market had stagnated and prices weren't rising and wouldn't rise for the next several years. I'd prefer lowish housing prices to the constant rise of valuation that we had and led to the mortgage crisis. My parents house was valued at one time more than double what they paid for it only a few years later. It's absurd to expect prices to rise when so many Americans, especially younger ones who would be buying first homes, are unemployed or underemployed.

If I had the money or need, now would be a great time to get a house because of the deflated prices.

Rates have never been this low, is what everyone keeps telling me. If I had money for a downpayment, I'd buy a property right now.
 
If it's already been in here apologies, but who the hell is advising Romney on what to say.


He just kept talking and talking and emphasizing how he is not, in fact, concerned about the very poor. That man vs Obama :lol:

"But the middle incomes, they're the ones who are really struggling right now".

More than the poor, then? I am trying to work this out in my head..
 
He just kept talking and talking and emphasizing how he is not, in fact, concerned about the very poor. That man vs Obama :lol:

"But the middle incomes, they're the ones who are really struggling right now".

More than the poor, then? I am trying to work this out in my head..

He has foot in mouth disease.

Look the guy is super rich and totally not connected with ordinary people.

The onlty reason he will be nominated is his baggage is a lot smaller than Newt.

btw the talk is Newt and Paul will make a third party run.
 
He just kept talking and talking and emphasizing how he is not, in fact, concerned about the very poor. That man vs Obama :lol:

"But the middle incomes, they're the ones who are really struggling right now".

More than the poor, then? I am trying to work this out in my head..

It was a poor way to phrase it for sure (no pun intended). IMO what he's saying there are gov't programs alerady set up to help the poor. He says if there are holes he'll fix it. The problem is the people who are struggling but don't qualify for much in the way of gov't assistence. Just my interpritation.

He has foot in mouth disease.

Look the guy is super rich and totally not connected with ordinary people.

The onlty reason he will be nominated is his baggage is a lot smaller than Newt.

btw the talk is Newt and Paul will make a third party run.

Any third party run would ensure an Obama victory. Newt would know that. Paul won't care. I wish we could see a stronger showing outside the main two parties.
 
Newt may just do it out of bittierness and Paul...well he is a loon.

In the long term this may just help the GOP get to the center. Ok it will gurantee they lose an election they would most likely lose anyway.

But with the crazies (tea party freaks and religious zealots) out of the party, the old GOP will be able to be more inclusive and have a genuine debate with the Dems....and more importantly work with them for the good of the country.


Then there would only be some differences on fiscal policies imo.
 
Newt may just do it out of bittierness and Paul...well he is a loon.

In the long term this may just help the GOP get to the center. Ok it will gurantee they lose an election they would most likely lose anyway.

But with the crazies (tea party freaks and religious zealots) out of the party, the old GOP will be able to be more inclusive and have a genuine debate with the Dems....and more importantly work with them for the good of the country.


Then there would only be some differences on fiscal policies imo.

Fair point. The Tea Party is becoming less and less relevent every day. Most movements in this country have a very hard time sustaining momentum, i.e. Occupy, Tea Party, etc.
 
Fair point. The Tea Party is becoming less and less relevent every day. Most movements in this country have a very hard time sustaining momentum, i.e. Occupy, Tea Party, etc.

not just the tea party...just look at the debates....some of the crazy stuff being said.

What is the GOP for...not enough to say they are against Obama.

Also if they are just against his policies fine...but they lose credibility by painting him out to be a demon socialist or such nonsense.

....and people can see through the racial stuff. The world is changing...many young people have gone beyond stuff like that...even older people.

I also think such a split will also shake up the Dems...

who knows...a split there.

Perhaps a genuine middle party with the two middle of the road parties merging...
sanity.
 
On the one hand, it's annoying how a sentence that sounds bad out of context can take over the national discussion, like this.

On the other hand, his point with context, that he needs to focus on the middle class because the poor already have an adequate safety net, is completely idiotic, and shows how truly out of touch Romney really is.
 
Yeah, we haven't seen the last of the Gordon Gecko "corporate cnut" factor.

Quite a few of them are bankrolling "Restore Our Future", the "independent" Romney super-Pac.

Attack of the super-Pacs - FT.com

I guess Hedge-Fund managers are just as entiltled to have their future's restored as anyone but it's hard to see how super-Pacs funded exclusively by the super-Rich can be construed as a positive democratising force.
 
btw the talk is Newt and Paul will make a third party run.

Yes! :drool:

4 more years!

BTW, I like the thoughts on a 3rd party, though I fear there's little chance of a reasonable one popping up soon precisely because of the spoiler effect. As a thought experiment I've reckoned that a principled argument could be made for a dedicated centrist party. Essentially taking each issue, drawing a line down the middle and starting from there, then letting the other parties lurk to the wings to attract true believers. Of course it's not possible as issues don't typically exist on a quantifiable continuum, but still, worth a think.

There's a good book out there called "Independent Nation: How Centrism Can Change American Politics" that traces out previous cases of centrism and how the respective adminstrations managed to walk the line, and to what effect. I particularly liked the more general high level treatment of centrism itself. Anyway, it's worth a read.
 
Corporations are people, my friend.

"It's the way our founding fathers would have wanted it, if they had founded corporations instead of just a country."

Quote from the Colbert Super PAC, temporarily known as The Definitely Not Coordinating With Stephen Colbert Super PAC, officially registered as Americans For A Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow, but considering changing it again to John Colbert Cougar Super MellenPAC.
 
Yes! :drool:

4 more years!

BTW, I like the thoughts on a 3rd party, though I fear there's little chance of a reasonable one popping up soon precisely because of the spoiler effect. As a thought experiment I've reckoned that a principled argument could be made for a dedicated centrist party. Essentially taking each issue, drawing a line down the middle and starting from there, then letting the other parties lurk to the wings to attract true believers. Of course it's not possible as issues don't typically exist on a quantifiable continuum, but still, worth a think.

There's a good book out there called "Independent Nation: How Centrism Can Change American Politics" that traces out previous cases of centrism and how the respective adminstrations managed to walk the line, and to what effect. I particularly liked the more general high level treatment of centrism itself. Anyway, it's worth a read.

thanks for the suggestion brad.
 
Obama: Jesus would back my tax-the-rich policy

President Obama offered a new line of reasoning for hiking taxes on the rich on Thursday, saying at the National Prayer Breakfast that his policy proposals are shaped by his religious beliefs.

Obama said that as a person who has been "extraordinarily blessed," he is willing to give up some of the tax breaks he enjoys because doing so makes economic, and religious sense.

"For me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus's teaching that for unto whom much is given, much shall be required," Obama said, quoting the Gospel of Luke.

Obama wants to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for the richest Americans, and he has embraced the idea that wealthy Americans should not be paying a lower effective tax rate than those in the middle or lower classes.

Obama: Jesus would back my tax-the-rich policy - Feb. 2, 2012
 
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