US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Bachmann's campaign is over, she did exactly what Perry should have done by being strong last night and deciding whether to continue privately, as opposed to musing about it publically which might as well become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Though that is 3-5% or so of support across the primary states that has just opened up, the question is would Perry stay in to try and take it.
 
Wasnt Gingrich leading before Christmas?
What did he do to fall so far behind? and what did Santorum do to get all these votes?

I read that evangelical Christians largely didn't make their minds up until the last weeks of the election, so whatever he did towards the end got their attention.

Of course Iowa is not a good demographic representation of America, it's a strange place to start.
 
I read that evangelical Christians largely didn't make their minds up until the last weeks of the election, so whatever he did towards the end got their attention.

Of course Iowa is not a good demographic representation of America, it's a strange place to start.

I hear some rumblings about this too on various talk radio shows. The early states pretty much decide the candidates and the early states are hardly representative of most of the county. Also in some states voters from otehr parties can vote on another parties candidate. That should probably end as well.
 
The candidates will be raging over the "recess appointment" of Cordray to the CFPB because he did it without the Senate technically being in recess even though they just get together for 60 seconds every four days to prevent the appointment and for no other reason. The President could adjourn Congress and has the ability, but it's never been done before.

Rick Santorum is coming for your birth control - Rick Santorum - Salon.com
 
I hear some rumblings about this too on various talk radio shows. The early states pretty much decide the candidates and the early states are hardly representative of most of the county. Also in some states voters from otehr parties can vote on another parties candidate. That should probably end as well.

Oh yes, you can only vote in 1 party's caucus, but democrats can come and vote republican if they want. I really can't see a way to stop that, you're free to vote for who you want, even a registered democrat. I don't know what the 'straight line' voting stats are, but the vast majority of people vote for both democrats and republicans.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Ron Paul's support goes to the democrats, because of his strength with young people and the anti-war crowd, typically democratic voting blocks.

I'd think starting in a state like Pennsylvania or Ohio would be much better, those are very evenly populated states, republican and democrat wise, and much more representative of American demographics, I'd think.
 


Gift that never stops giving... GB:


"I don't endorse candidates, I don't get involved in politics, I don't make donations to any politician.

Rick Santorum is a friend of mine, but I choose my friends carefully and I would never tell you someone was a friend of mine if I didn't have great respect for them. I will tell you this.

People ask me all the time, 'who is out there?' I tell them the same thing, I don't trust any of them, but if I had to trust the reins of power with one person that is currently in this field and, because I think the next president has got to be Abraham Lincoln, he has got to be somebody who knows exactly who he is, knows exactly where he stands and is willing to, in the end, turn those reins of power back over.
The temptation and the pressure is going to be absolutely enormous. If there is one guy out there that is the next George Washington, the only guy that I could think of is Rick Santorum. I would ask that you would take a look at him." -Glenn Beck

Kiss of death?
 
Santorum is going to fade quickly. He simply doesn't have the organization needed to compete. It's Romney all the way...but he'll be pretty beaten up by his rivals before Obama even has to lay a finger on him.
 
Huntsman is a non-starter in this field. He believes in evolution, and had to walk back previous assertions that of course climate scientists know what the hell they're talking about, is a Mormon, and has neither the organization nor the recognition that Romney has.

Never a chance.
 
But what's Huntsman's deal? All these people are bat-shit insane on at least one issue, surely that includes Huntsman (Mormonry aside).
 
Huntsman's positions were pretty well in the mainstream of the Republican party 10-20 years ago. Cut taxes, right-ish on social issues without being a nutter about it. The problem is that he's stayed there while the GOP went off the deep end, so now he's got things he has to run away from like supporting civil unions, immigration reform that doesn't begin and end with "build a big fence", and sober recognition of the existence of climate science.
 
Romney has charisma issues. He's as fake as they come.

Huntsman has hot daughters and wives so we need to keep him in the public eye.
 
It could be worse than Romney. He's a right-wing oligarchical feck, but at least he's not a complete maniac. The peril of wanting someone like Santorum to get the nomination is if the unthinkable happened and he won the election...
 
Romney is awful at relating to little people. He sounds condescending and like he can't wait to get out of the room. He's not a natural and will not fire people up like Obama can do.
 
It could be worse than Romney. He's a right-wing oligarchical feck, but at least he's not a complete maniac. The peril of wanting someone like Santorum to get the nomination is if the unthinkable happened and he won the election...

I actually wouldn't be too disturbed if Romney got elected. He'd be more centrist than any of the others, which is exactly why the base loathe him and the kingmakers are backing him.
 
Yeah the difference between Obama and Romney wouldn't be too great. They're both centrists and wouldn't rock the boat much if one were the other. Except of course for stacking the supreme court with conservatives v liberals and so on.
 
Romney also clearly doesn't really give a shit about abortion or gay marriage. I'd expect him to be hawkish on Iran though, that's just how Republicans roll.

Yeah the difference between Obama and Romney wouldn't be too great. They're both centrists and wouldn't rock the boat much if one were the other. Except of course for stacking the supreme court with conservatives v liberals and so on.

But it's not as if Obama's Supreme Court choices have been crazies. Kagan's not even that liberal.
 
Yeah the difference between Obama and Romney wouldn't be too great. They're both centrists and wouldn't rock the boat much if one were the other. Except of course for stacking the supreme court with conservatives v liberals and so on.

Half the shit he's saying that sounds nutty is bollocks IMO. Just like Obama in 2008 you have to say that to get the base to support you. When you get into the office you govern from the centre and go for a few things that are important that you know you can get passed.

If Barry gets in this year we should see a bit more of what he originally promised.
 
Half the shit he's saying that sounds nutty is bollocks IMO. Just like Obama in 2008 you have to say that to get the base to support you. When you get into the office you govern from the centre and go for a few things that are important that you know you can get passed.

If Barry gets in this year we should see a bit more of what he originally promised.

agree. but I would never say Romeny and Obama are interchangeable.

Romeny has no bloody principles. He will blow with the wind.

In some ways he is worse than Bush....
 
agree. but I would never say Romeny and Obama are interchangeable.

Romeny has no bloody principles. He will blow with the wind.

In some ways he is worse than Bush....

You have to say a lot of crap to be elected as a repub. Just look at how nutty McCain had to go.
 
Does anyone know what Romney's real views actually are? What he genuinely believes?
 
I thought so. But wasn't he further to the right when he was younger? Then shifted to the centre for MA? Then back again a little to the right to attract at least some of the crazies? Then to the centre again when he wins the nomination?

I'm confused...
 
True. Shame though, he won't provide anywhere near as interesting a race as Gingrich, Paul or Santorum would. Obama's destruction of those figures would have been both inevitable and hilarious.
 
I'd love to have seen Gingrich pummeled by Obama. There's this myth that he's an uber-intellectual who would cream Obama in a debate. It's complete bollocks.

He's a fat, hateful sack of shit who will never be elected to anything again.
 
Gingrich is a clever political operator but he's about as much of an intellectual as Gary Neville.

Reckon people are being too smug by half about Obama's chances. His popularity ratings are only now edging back to respectability. Unemployment is still very high, higher than the official figures too. Everything hinges on growth... and if the Euro falls, he's probably fecked. Unless the Republicans pick an actual lunatic.
 
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