US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Its bizarre how Gingrich has suddenly surged head. He looks oddly uninterested during the debates.
 
The GOP is looking for someone who can work. They realized Perry cant. Then Cain can't. Then they'll realize Newt can't. All to avoid picking the Stormin Mormon, Mitt Romney. Even if he's catholic.
 
Its bizarre how Gingrich has suddenly surged head. He looks oddly uninterested during the debates.

yet he challenged Obama to a series of 3 hour Lincoln-Douglas debates. I'd have to fecking commit suicide after about 20 minutes of his pomposity.

He can't possibly win...he's despised by most and is as brazen an insider if there's ever been one. I still don't understand why everybody thinks he's this intellectual heavyweight. He knows a bit about history but didn't get tenure as a teacher. He's also sleazy, ugly, annoying, and has a ton of negative baggage.
 
What about Ron Paul?

Seems to be getting ignored by the media, but has quite a following.

Paul hits home on a few issues but when you get in depth on some issues he's really quite looney. Returning to the gold standard is one. While I agree with the US stopping a lot of world police actions, he'd be near an isolationist. And most repubs give lip service to cutting government, he'd slash as much out as he could. If he got elected the likes of Bob and Red Dreams would probably go completely mental and start taking shots at the White House. Wait.....anyone seen Bob lately? Maybe that whacko was him.....:lol:
 
As I've heard Gingrich a few times reference Britain, Blair and Thatcher in some of the things he has said, I did a search of him and came up with something he said in 1998 whilst Speaker of the House that he would support Britain joining NAFTA.

He really must like us.
 
He apparently thinks you should've been able to hold onto more of the Empire, given his bizarre claim that Hawaii-born, never-went-to-Kenya-until-he-was-an-adult Barack Obama held a "Kenyan, anti-colonial" worldview, which sounds professorial until you realize he wants to be President of a republic formed from a group of colonies who all seceded from you, at which point he sounds like a goddamn weirdo.
 
As I've heard Gingrich a few times reference Britain, Blair and Thatcher in some of the things he has said, I did a search of him and came up with something he said in 1998 whilst Speaker of the House that he would support Britain joining NAFTA.

He really must like us.

:lol: What?
 
Paul hits home on a few issues but when you get in depth on some issues he's really quite looney. Returning to the gold standard is one. While I agree with the US stopping a lot of world police actions, he'd be near an isolationist. And most repubs give lip service to cutting government, he'd slash as much out as he could. If he got elected the likes of Bob and Red Dreams would probably go completely mental and start taking shots at the White House. Wait.....anyone seen Bob lately? Maybe that whacko was him.....:lol:

:nervous:
 
It seems that right around that time there was support for it in Washington, moreso than London. There was a raft of Senators who supported it as well.

I have even found a report that Condoleeza Rice backed it as well.
 
Clearly those senators failed to realise what the 'NA' in NAFTA stood for..

Maybe they think it stands for 'North Atlantic', we are ten years on from such discussions though I imagine it would become of interest again should there be a push in Britain against the European Union over the next couple of years.
 
Maybe they think it stands for 'North Atlantic', we are ten years on from such discussions though I imagine it would become of interest again should there be a push in Britain against the European Union over the next couple of years.

It would be disastrous if Britain were to join the NAFTA, for starters it would turn the farming and agricultural industry into tatters.
 
It would be disastrous if Britain were to join the NAFTA, for starters it would turn the farming and agricultural industry into tatters.

I have had a look into this, as far as dairy products are concerned, UK wholesale prices are virtually identical to American ones.
 

Take Mexico as an example where an immediate consequence of the NAFTA resulted in 25% reduction in its manufacturing capacity and ~15% reduction in its labour force. Furthermore cheap US imports resulted in the agrarian classes being forced out of their farms and into impoverished ghettos throughout the large Mexican cities. Considering that the UK's agricultural state isn't at its best state (not helped by EU regulations), I don't see how the UK could in anyway benefit.

Furthermore I'm not even taking to account the redundancy it'll bring unions who will take a back seat to the precedence of corporations, who unlike unions, can operate internationally.
 
Take Mexico as an example where an immediate consequence of the NAFTA resulted in 25% reduction in its manufacturing capacity and ~15% reduction in its labour force. Furthermore cheap US imports resulted in the agrarian classes being forced out of their farms and into impoverished ghettos throughout the large Mexican cities. Considering that the UK's agricultural state isn't at its best state (not helped by EU regulations), I don't see how the UK could in anyway benefit.

Furthermore I'm not even taking to account the redundancy it'll bring unions who will take a back seat to the precedence of corporations, who unlike unions, can operate internationally.


The fact of the matter is that the European Union is just as divergent in wealth as North America is. Most of Eastern Europe is as poorly off as Mexico is, yet we haven't really seen an outflow from the UK to such countries across the economy.
 
Why even watch them? Its a debate to decide who will go down in history as the runner up to Obama.
 
The fact of the matter is that the European Union is just as divergent in wealth as North America is. Most of Eastern Europe is as poorly off as Mexico is, yet we haven't really seen an outflow from the UK to such countries across the economy.

I don't think you can really compare Mexico to ex-Soviet bloc nations, their economies and primary industries are almost radically different.
 
Bingo. You just never know what these people are going to say next.

With characters like Cain, Perry and Bachmann under one roof, you know you're guaranteed a cracker.

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Bingo. You just never know what these people are going to say next.

You mean like what Cain just said...that the Taliban are part of the government in Libya?

This guy is unreal. "I'm a leader, not a reader" is what he said in a recent speech!
 
Actually the quote is slightly different, I suspect the NY Times has it right, others are reporting it as you said.

Cain Says 'We Need a Leader, Not a Reader' - NYTimes.com

Still pure insanity.

At another point, he told the enthusiastic crowd of about 250 people gathered at a Radisson Hotel: “They’re measuring my pauses! Every word.”

Here, Mr. Cain was referring to a video that went viral on the Internet earlier this week that showed him struggling over several minutes to answer a question posed by the editorial board of The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about American intervention in the Libyan uprising.

Putting his own spin on what was widely viewed as an embarrassing flub, he called the stumble “a powerful pause.”

“They spend more time focused on when I’m not talking than when other candidates are talking,” he said of the news media.

“Here’s the point that they’re missing,” he continued. “I think before I speak. I know that’s a novel idea. And sometimes I have to stop and gather my thoughts.”

Then he added: “Who knows every detail of every country or every situation on the planet? Nobody!”

“We’ve got plenty of experts,” he said. “We need a leader, not a reader.”
 

It's today, actually. Though Romney isn't in it, and it's online, not on TV.

2012 Primary Debate Schedule « 2012 Election Central

No Romney is probably a good thing, actually. And no Huntsman too. As much as I dislike Romney, he's not the level of moron that some of the others are. Huntsman is obviously the smartest by far. This will give the idiots more time to speak. Maybe we'll even get to see a bit of Bachmann :drool:

(Disclaimer: That :drool: smiley is meant to display my desire for her stupid words, not her supremely creepy looks).
 
I turn on the stream for the debate, where they're doing a sort of pre-debate thing, and the first thing the guy says is how it's not by accident that they're holding the debate in a church.

This is going to be great.

Now he's talking about how he wants the US to go back to a country where the leaders lead based on the bible and the constitution.

I have a good feeling about this one.
 
Well, this is.. different. They're giving some random person from the audience who is, apparently, from Occupy Wall Street, a chance to speak to the entire crowd.

The plot thickens.

Hang on.. I think this guy wants to hear Ron Pauls views on the Federal Reserve. Is that an Occupy thing, then? O.o

And now Bachmann is pouring everyone water. I don't even..
 
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