Charlie Crist will run in 2014 and in 2016, Florida will be a reliable Blue state. So long as the GOP remains where they are, 2016 will be a cert Dem win.
US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012
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So I see. Arguing for more conservatism! She's complaining that a "moderate" Repub...got them two terms in the White House.
I'm basically just waiting for Hannity and Malkin later on, should be immense.
BillO was probably emotionally worn out from the last three nights. Even delusional wingnuts deserve some mental recoupment.
You said something long ago that might now becoming true it looks (something I utterly laughed at when you said it). You said something after the Obama election (I think) how the GOP was never going to recover. They made a slight bounce back in 2010 but it really does look like the party will fracture right now. Looks like 2 parties will emerge from it. One being moderate and one more Rick Santorumish.
Malkin is on Hannity? She's such a cnut.
I'd bang the living daylights out of her though. I'd feck her angrily.
I'd bang the living daylights out of her though. I'd feck her angrily.
Marcello...among your friends and family are there any who can step back and see perhaps politically at least there needs to be a change of direction?
Not that I see. Never really asked directly or talked to them. Most are too old and set in their ways. The younger ones just follow suit.
was just talking to my wife and she said what I have said here.
It is very bad for one party to have total control of the government. I would not mind a GOP congress if they can cut some deals. The speaker needs to have the courage to go to the moderates in his party and say..look we love this country and we are not going to be held hostage by a partisan few.
With that attitude he can bring the country together...even more than the President can at this time.
Lets hope he does something like that anyway.
Do you really think this could happen?
Your one party idea will be seen here in Ca. Right now it's all democrats. Majorities (and I believe super majority) in the state legislature and all Dems in executive positions. They won on some some tax increases in ballot initiatives for both state sales tax and income taxes. Oddly enough death penalty stayed.
think the only way forward is get people to open their minds to ask questions...
People figure things out...so long as they not in an echo chamber.
When discussions of cost comes up in meetings I always say...Our employees are the assets we do not see on a balance sheet.
Our citizens ..all of them are the greatest resource in our country. Cynical people use the fear of people to enrich themselves and retain power.
Once your break through that barrier...the filter..people figure things out.
You are living proof
Sure. Listen to any conservative talk show right now. Or watch Fox News. Their totally confused about why they lost. Some saying they weren't conservative enough. Others saying they need to package the message to Hispanics and women. Their party is in for a massive internal struggle that won't be solved quickly or easily.
Your one party idea will be seen here in Ca. Right now it's all democrats. Majorities (and I believe super majority) in the state legislature and all Dems in executive positions. They won on some some tax increases in ballot initiatives for both state sales tax and income taxes. Oddly enough death penalty stayed.
I am liberal but I have never understood the numerous propositions there.
personally I am no tax and spend liberal...just my cost management background. but we can easily get everyone to put some skin in the game and still have enough so everyone can achieve their dream.
But as I said we have people on our side too..who work on the fear of people.
My son who voted straight Democrat said....'dad..both parties are owned by corporations...Obama is no JFK who was an idealist but he is good guy. Lets hope he gets some good laws through.'
agree..so many were shocked..certainly at my office.
they just bought all these 'unskewed polls' whatever they were pushing.
we could see it watching people like Silver and Wang were saying...only disagreeing on the total EVs Obama would get.
we have such poor journalists...who just don't challenge spin..from both sides.
Is it fair to say that we're probably on the verge of another huge shake-up in American politics?
Like I've mentioned a few times, it's interesting how I've always had a certain impression of American politics, which has almost seemed static, but is of course only because it's been like that for as long as I've followed it at all. Hell, go back long enough and you didn't have the Republicans and the Democrats. You had the Democratic-Republican Party and the Federalists. And then later, for a very long time, the South was a Democratic bastion.
Like I've mentioned a few times, it's interesting how I've always had a certain impression of American politics, which has almost seemed static, but is of course only because it's been like that for as long as I've followed it at all. Hell, go back long enough and you didn't have the Republicans and the Democrats. You had the Democratic-Republican Party and the Federalists. And then later, for a very long time, the South was a Democratic bastion.
the pubahs in the GOP know what is happening. But they are not interested in the well being of their voters. They are only interested in retaining power.
They talk of bringing in non-white voters. But if they do not make genuine efforts to entice them, they are going to fail. You cannot make cosmetic efforts.
They have to understand what these minority communities want.
Really they want what the rest of us want. They don't want 'free stuff'.
They talk of bringing in non-white voters. But if they do not make genuine efforts to entice them, they are going to fail. You cannot make cosmetic efforts.
They have to understand what these minority communities want.
Really they want what the rest of us want. They don't want 'free stuff'.
It might be a big shake up coming. As much as Repubs like to hold Regan up as the standard he wasn't a party insider. He was fought very hard (in large part by the Bush family). The party is going to have to completely evolve. My opinion, it will break apart. You will get hard line, anti abortion, christian, "family values" group. And then another that is more concerned with a more minimized federal gov't but no so concerned about gay marriage, etc. More Libertarian on social issues if you will.
What the US really needs is election reform. Any third party is doomed to fail under the current system. I suppose if that party could have a big enough reach, if it could grab a sizeable number of people from both parties right away, it could be feasible. You could essentially have a further right Republican party, a further left Democratic party, and something more or less in the middle. But I'm not sure I see that happening.
It's amazing how many on the right think that's why people vote Democrat. It's Romney's 47% just as the conventional wisdom for them. This Fox program just had three women talking about why female voters, specifically single ones, voted Obama. One of them said "some of them are just married to the government, they get lots of free stuff from it". Like everyone has to be married to something! No one can be independent and want to control their own lives, bodies and future. Ridiculous, 50 year old ideology still thrives.
What's strange about this one is specifically with Hispanics. I have worked with many Mexican emigrants. I dated, for a number of years, a Mexican woman that emigrated here less than 7 years ago. Culturally, they have more in common on social issues with Repubs than Dems. But the stance on emigration makes them come off extremely racist at times and that over rides the social issues.
Is not the Ron Paul crowd that is in that group? think they hate the GOP as much as the Dems.
not sure how they are also the teaparty people...
think the GOP is being slowly swallowed up by the tea party and the religious zealots.
It may be worth the effort to just kick them out and reform as a centrist party.
OK...I was going to quit Fox but I want to see this cnut.
I read that she's only 4 feet tall.
Ingraham is as trannyish as Coulter.
Not sure what you mean there. I think actually both those groups are small actually. However, a centrist Repub cannot get the party excited without getting the support of the very same group(s) that are dragging the party down. It's a vicious cycle.
BTW, did this election maybe serve notice that the US is not a center right country as so many have thought but is in reality a center left country? I think so.
California is often the indicator for how the country goes. I think the supermajority here and the governorship should scare repubs into seriously thinking about fecking off the nutters in their party if they want to be a national force.
No it underlined that its a very right-wing country but at least not a right-wing nut-job country.
To people who think Obama is left, yeah. By our standards you're still very much a centre right country. You just avoided being a far right one.
You still have guns, bastardised healthcare and the death penalty. If you think that's left then Britain is a Communist utopia.
Let's not forget that had the economy not still been in the shitter, completely out of Obama's control, Romney would have lost by an even bigger margin.
Hannity is still putting up pics of Thatcher to give conservatives hope!
He was doing that last night too. I'm just thankful we couldn't see below the desk.
This hypocrisy over negative ads is... I can't find the word.
I'm talking relative to US politics.
Well, then yeah. But surely US politics is relative to other politics? Otherwise you can pretty much say you're anything?
The Nazis said they were socialist & North Korea says they're democratic.
Only, obviously, not actually like that.
The Nazis said they were socialist & North Korea says they're democratic.
Only, obviously, not actually like that.
The chutzpah is amazing...just amazing.
Well, then yeah. But surely US politics is relative to other politics? Otherwise you can pretty much say you're anything?
The Nazis said they were socialist & North Korea says they're democratic.
Only, obviously, not actually like that.
I guess what I'm saying is given the history if US politics the country has moved left, or was more left than thought before.
Of course every nation is far right if we're going to use NK as the baseline...
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
Just watching The Daily show from yesterday.....
I agree they are small...but the moderate Republicans don't go vote in the primaries. For example Minnesota is a caucus state. I know loads of Republicans never caucus. tbh I don't go to the caucus either for the Democratic party, but we don't come up with extremist candidates...at least not so far.
This idea that the GOP will dissolve is wishful thinking. Jonathan Bernstein wrote about this a few days ago, money quote here:
There'll be a fight, maybe a nasty fight, but at the end of it, which will be at least before 2020, they will tack back to the centre at last on social issues.
On the other hand, their Hispanic problem is going to be very hard to address. They're in a real bind, because although they need to stop sounding so draconian on illegal immigrants, they also can't go along with immigration reform as it means millions of new Democrats. Also, contra the anecdotal stuff someone posted above, they're not very conservative. Religious, yes, but generally quite liberal in their social and economic views.
Immigration Is Only Part Of The Problem Republicans Have With Hispanic Voters
In other news today, it looks like Karl Rove pocketed 80 million quid from billionaire donors who thought they were buying a President. Apparently they're quite pissed off.
You’re also going to hear a lot of triumphant talk from the winners that this proves that they have an enduring majority. If Mitt Romney gets a surprising win, you’ll hear a lot about how the combination of the 2010 landslide and then a rejection of Barack Obama for reelection proves that his 2008 victory was a fluke, and that the natural Republican majority in the nation has reasserted itself. On the other hand, if Obama wins, even by a small margin, Democrats will point out that this marks the fifth of six presidential elections in which the Democratic candidate won the national vote plurality, and that future demographics make future Republican victories even more difficult.
If you’re on the losing side, I have an important message for you: It’s all bunk. If the parties aren’t at dead-even parity right now, they’re close enough that little pushes one way or another will make up for it. Another recession, a poorly planned overseas adventure, even a lousy candidate, and we could easily see a landslide in the other direction next time around — starting with midterms just two years from now.
There are no permanent majorities in U.S. politics. There aren’t even long-term majorities, for the most part.
If you’re on the losing side, I have an important message for you: It’s all bunk. If the parties aren’t at dead-even parity right now, they’re close enough that little pushes one way or another will make up for it. Another recession, a poorly planned overseas adventure, even a lousy candidate, and we could easily see a landslide in the other direction next time around — starting with midterms just two years from now.
There are no permanent majorities in U.S. politics. There aren’t even long-term majorities, for the most part.
There'll be a fight, maybe a nasty fight, but at the end of it, which will be at least before 2020, they will tack back to the centre at last on social issues.
On the other hand, their Hispanic problem is going to be very hard to address. They're in a real bind, because although they need to stop sounding so draconian on illegal immigrants, they also can't go along with immigration reform as it means millions of new Democrats. Also, contra the anecdotal stuff someone posted above, they're not very conservative. Religious, yes, but generally quite liberal in their social and economic views.
Immigration Is Only Part Of The Problem Republicans Have With Hispanic Voters
In other news today, it looks like Karl Rove pocketed 80 million quid from billionaire donors who thought they were buying a President. Apparently they're quite pissed off.
What about Bill O'Reilly's idea that the Democrats will "evaporate"?
I thought that was fair & balanced.
And which is worse, dissolving or evaporating? And what would happen if they both crystallised?
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