US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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How do you solve a problem like Libya? Politically at least, and if you are Obama with a foreign policy debate next week.

Better too for him if Iran and Syria are next in the running order, for he can play on Romney's policies versus the the fatigue of conflict in America i should imagine.



Do we have any idea how many people Romney would lay off through government cuts? Even if we believed the 12m figure, it's a two way street.
 
That is indeed what strikes me as I listen in disbelief to the bullshit she has to put up with.

I would love to live in a place like Denmark, Norway, Sweeden or Holland, those places have real quality of life. I would trade the portuguese sun and beaches to a chance to live in those countries.
 
Norway and other Nordic countries are a paradise compared to the US. Norway is putting all of the money earned on the North Sea Oil Platforms in a fund that belongs to the Social Security of Norway, right now is the size of about 700 billion euros, not bad for a country of 4,5 million people. That's the smart way to spend oil money, not like Qatar or Saudi Arabia where they spend the money on lavish projects. With this fund Norway will have a healthy social security for generations.

Its difficult to compare small countries with big ones. Life becomes much more complicated when you have a heterogeneous country with vastly different cultural interests within its borders.
 
I would love to live in a place like Denmark, Norway, Sweeden or Holland, those places have real quality of life. I would trade the portuguese sun and beaches to a chance to live in those countries.

Agreed. If I had ever had the opportunity to live in any of those countries when I was younger and before I had a family, I would have loved to. Especially Holland, I used to dream about having an apartment on the Singel.
 
Its difficult to compare small countries with big ones. Life becomes much more complicated when you have a heterogeneous country with vastly different cultural interests within its borders.

so true.

someone brought up the Health care issue. That would until now be the only area where I would have found the US lacking. The current law will get stronger...imo go towards single payer in a decade.

Otherwise the US is the best place in the world to live.
 
Norway does have it easy, population-wise and resource-wise. We also have challenges when it comes to infratructure considering the complicated topography to navigate... though that's not without its beauty either, so I'd happily keep that. But we also don't engage in huge, costly and ineffective wars, like the War on Drugs, Iraq and the war economy generally being on steroids. We also don't think it's sustainable to feck over the little man, and recognise that we float or sink as a whole. The US is digging away at its foundations to heave more weight and glory on its zenith, and it's going to topple, I think. Quite probably in my life-time.

edit that ignores chronology: Bless my fellow countryman for getting back to the topic at hand. I watched it and clearly Obama has taken his cue from the VC in not letting Romney's casual slips of truth to pass. Loved the moment when the moderator backed him up on the terrorism statement :lol:
 
Scandie countries sound great but I couldn't handle the weather there and such.
no place is perfect and the US could learn a lot from them but I can't see it happening anytime soon. so, for now I'll enjoy the sunshine and see how it pans out.
 
That's something my country can be proud of, we decriminalize drug use (not drug selling) 10 years ago, as a result therewas a sharp decline in drug usage and prison population.

I'm well aware of that... We take our cue from the US on that particular subject, though we're no-where near as zealous in our search for people to prosecute. I don't know what the stats are like now, but in the early naughties you regularly heard the stat that Oslo has the highest heroin overdose rate per capita in all of Europe. That's quite shitty for a country that's supposed to have such a brilliant social care system, but that's what happens when you make drug use not a personal or medical or psychological issue, but a legal issue.

I'm hoping we take our cue from Portugal soon... but every time the question is raised, including a few years ago when a shit-ton of promiment intellectuals from all over the world, including the father of our Prime Minister, signed and published a plea for a change in the obviously failing strategy in dealing with drug use, it's dismissed before it's even discussed. fecking moralising bastards.
 
Scandie countries sound great but I couldn't handle the weather there and such.
no place is perfect and the US could learn a lot from them but I can't see it happening anytime soon. so, for now I'll enjoy the sunshine and see how it pans out.

The weather here is not that bad IMO. We have hot summers and cold winters and all that. Personally i'm actually dreaming about living on the ranch in california or something like that.
 
pity Michael Jackson is dead, you could have bunked in with him.

having a ranch in CA is for people that have owned them for eons, or for the rich.
 
I dunno, I just have a dream of living in some place in the US with lots of space and beautiful nature. I have no desire to live in places like LA, NY, Chicago, Miami and all that.
 
There are lots of places in the US I would love to go. But the idea of living there has never particularly appealed. Tho it is not something I would have been hugely adverse to doing either, as long as it was a decent city like NY.
 
Good debate by Obama, can't ask for much more than that.

Yep...Romney performed well too but he didn't come across as Presidential IMO and I think he's turned off a lot of women voters. O stood up for his record and easily looked assured on foreign policy. Romney looks wholly unprepared to deal with the world in a measured fashion.
 
Yep...Romney performed well too but he didn't come across as Presidential IMO and I think he's turned off a lot of women voters. O stood up for his record and easily looked assured on foreign policy. Romney looks wholly unprepared to deal with the world in a measured fashion.

Romney's strong when he's attacking the state of the economy, but he lacks credibility on just about everything else. And the solutions that he offers to the economy are not very compelling when they're stripped down. Obama at the very least comes across as sincere and principled, and I think that his vision - when properly argued and presented - is more aligned with the American people's than the idea of more tax cuts as the solution to everything, regardless of what mjs says.

And yes, both Romney and Ryan appear extremely incompetent when it comes to foreign affairs, my goodness. It's all politics on that issue.
 
Yes. Its not just a POTUS vote. We have all sorts of shit to vote for. Sheriffs, attorneys, property appraisers etc, plus a shit lot of referendum type stuff.

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Taken by me in Nevada in September :D
 
Yep...Romney performed well too but he didn't come across as Presidential IMO and I think he's turned off a lot of women voters. O stood up for his record and easily looked assured on foreign policy. Romney looks wholly unprepared to deal with the world in a measured fashion.

I don't think very many women will be switching votes on Romney's comments. Everyone knows what Romney meant and there's not a lot of wrong with what he said.

I think both looked decent and strong on different issues. I think a President Romney is possible.
 
Obama up 1 in NH - Rasmussen
Obama up 3 in Nevada. 2 GOP leaning pollsters.

Romney +6 on Gallup. Expect this to come down and reverse in the next few days.

It's safe to assume that Romney is behind in Nevada, tied in Colorado, behind in Ohio, and probably behind in NH.
 
Next debate is on FP. I really don't see Romney being anything more than adequate in that.

:rolleyes: He'll be okay, the fact is both are not great debaters, and both won't do badly enough for it to affect the race too much.

It will be a very risk-less debate.
 
:rolleyes: He'll be okay, the fact is both are not great debaters, and both won't do badly enough for it to affect the race too much.

It will be a very risk-less debate.

It'll be boring since Romney's FP is basically "What he says but I'll do it better."

Hopefully Mitt will try and bring domestic attacks into it and get things going a bit.
 
I dunno, seeing how bad Romney screwed Libya up last night and how Biden bossed Ryan on it, it could end up quite bad for Romney. Then again, we could get Denver Obama again.
 
People don't really give a feck about FP so long as we dish out an ass-kicking every now and then. 'It's the economy, stupid' is as true now as it was back then. The average American likes to think that they know something about FP but they really don't...it's just regurgitated shit from MSNBC or Fox.
 
I dunno, seeing how bad Romney screwed Libya up last night and how Biden bossed Ryan on it, it could end up quite bad for Romney. Then again, we could get Denver Obama again.

Given the fact that Romney's poll lead was unaffected by Biden/Ryan..

And that Most Americans don't know where Libya is, don't care about Libya...

And that the effects of early-voting and "making your mind up" is reducing the importance of the 3rd debate..

I can't see much changing from the current. Obama wins the popular vote by a slim margin, and the electoral-vote comfortably.
 
Given the fact that Romney's poll lead was unaffected by Biden/Ryan..

And that Most Americans don't know where Libya is, don't care about Libya...

And that the effects of early-voting and "making your mind up" is reducing the importance of the 3rd debate..

I can't see much changing from the current. Obama wins the popular vote by a slim margin, and the electoral-vote comfortably.

That's a fair summary. But I have to think that Romney will try and pull something at the final debate.
 
pity Michael Jackson is dead, you could have bunked in with him.

having a ranch in CA is for people that have owned them for eons, or for the rich.

My cousin's mother lives and works in Los Angeles, and owns a ranch in Utah. She could probably afford the ranch in CA, but I suspect getting away from CA is part of the appeal.
 
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