US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Romney's been memorising "zingers" for the debate apparently.

"Mr. Romney, the first question is to you. The econom-" "I KNEW JACK KENNEDY AND THERE YOU GO AGAIN HAHAHA!"
 
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Barack Obama 87%
Jill Stein 59%
Gary Johnson 55%
Virgil Goode 36%
Mitt Romney 17%

Seems I've gone off ol' Jill.
 
So, after losing in 2008, the GOP pushed ACORN out the door for alleged voter fraud/misdeeds by the organization. They hired their own firm to commit voter fraud, while raging about it throughout the country to suppress turnout. You can't make it up.
 
Well Obamacare is currently working for a family member. If she was in the same situation without Obamacare she would have lost her parent's plan, been labeled with a pre-existing condition and faced with a death sentence. Instead she is getting the healthcare she needs. This story is by no means unique. How anyone can say Obamacare is bad is beyond me.
 
senorgregster said:
Well Obamacare is currently working for a family member. If she was in the same situation without Obamacare she would have lost her parent's plan, been labeled with a pre-existing condition and faced with a death sentence. Instead she is getting the healthcare she needs. This story is by no means unique. How anyone can say Obamacare is bad is beyond me.
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Its interesting. Wonder why there are not more stories like this out there? It was demonised in the past, you would have thought that they would do these feel good stories more.
 
Sir Matt said:
So, after losing in 2008, the GOP pushed ACORN out the door for alleged voter fraud/misdeeds by the organization. They hired their own firm to commit voter fraud, while raging about it throughout the country to suppress turnout. You can't make it up.
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So, what will happen to the GOP, are they losing their party status for these gross violations?
 
sglowrider said:
Its interesting. Wonder why there are not more stories like this out there? It was demonised in the past, you would have thought that they would do these feel good stories more.
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That is what I don't understand. Obamacare is so poorly defended. I wouldn't even defend it - it should be conveyed for what it is - a huge step forward.

The big problem for me pre-Obamacare was as follows. I get that this country is about taking care of yourself. But there is always a risk that no matter what you do to plan that you find yourself in a bad spot. Lose a job at no fault of your own and you lose your healthcare - yeah yeah you can do cobra etc but who can afford that after losing their job? So now you've lost your job (income) and health plan and need expensive medical care (let's say $1M for cancer treatment) - whoops no cash coming in. What did that person do wrong? Repubs will say go to the emergency room... yeah right, let's go to the emergency room to get those weekly cancer check ups/treatments. In the meantime those fortunate enough to keep their job and health plan go off to the leading cancer centers and get the best treatment possible that is in part funded by the poor sap who lost their job above. Fair? Nope. Completely screwed up. Obamacare is a step in the right direction but it needs to be taken further. Unfortunately it will be a long time before it will.
 
Can't wait for Mitt's zingers.
 
It's on now!

Obama loses crucial "guy from Creed" vote

"My heart and soul would really love someone like Reagan or FDR to come back and give us a New Deal… Yeah man, when you tear down that wall, do it," Stapp said in an actual quote that we did not make up, and which was aired on TV as an opinion from someone who is meant to influence voters to agree with him, apparently.
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Eboue27 said:
"My heart and soul would really love someone like Reagan or FDR to come back and give us a New Deal… Yeah man, when you tear down that wall, do it," Stapp said in an actual quote that we did not make up, and which was aired on TV as an opinion from someone who is meant to influence voters to agree with him, apparently.
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...what the feck?

Did he mean for those words to come out in that order?
 
Luv'it!

Since gay rights are a big political talking point...

I posted my thoughts on gay marriage on a FB post (I support it) and refuted the claim "they can't reproduce hence not right" with "some heterosexuals cannot reproduce, thus the other claim is bogus." I then cited that 1500 animal species are known to have homosexual relations, including humans. I also mentioned republicans cater to bigots, i.e. religious nutters, and this has held back gay rights. Apparently this pissed off a poster.

The responder stated this: so incest, rape, eating of your offspring, ect are found inother species, is it cool if we do all that since wild animlas do it in nature Mr. Miller?

My question: Is this an ad hominen attack, red herring, or straw man? I have a difficult time interpreting those logical fallacies. I'm thinking red herring.

So far I just responded that his comment was a pointless, nonsensical retort.
 
They seem to just miss the point of your argument, confusing "this isn't unnatural behaviour" for "we should copy everything animals do" (so I'd go straw man I guess?). Quite alarming as well that someone would compare finding the same sex attractive with rape and cannibalism...
 
MrMarcello said:
Luv'it!

Since gay rights are a big political talking point...

I posted my thoughts on gay marriage on a FB post (I support it) and refuted the claim "they can't reproduce hence not right" with "some heterosexuals cannot reproduce, thus the other claim is bogus." I then cited that 1500 animal species are known to have homosexual relations, including humans. I also mentioned republicans cater to bigots, i.e. religious nutters, and this has held back gay rights. Apparently this pissed off a poster.

The responder stated this: so incest, rape, eating of your offspring, ect are found inother species, is it cool if we do all that since wild animlas do it in nature Mr. Miller?

My question: Is this an ad hominen attack, red herring, or straw man? I have a difficult time interpreting those logical fallacies. I'm thinking red herring.

So far I just responded that his comment was a pointless, nonsensical retort.
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Straw man more or less as he is attacking an argument you didn't make.
 
Plechazunga said:
Plech's Pessimistic Predictions latest: tightening of the polls next week back to just above the pre-convention lead.
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Well, not that far yet, but the national ones have tightened back to 2 or 3 points.

State ones still looking a bit grim for Romney.

MrMarcello said:
Luv'it!

Since gay rights are a big political talking point...

I posted my thoughts on gay marriage on a FB post (I support it) and refuted the claim "they can't reproduce hence not right" with "some heterosexuals cannot reproduce, thus the other claim is bogus." I then cited that 1500 animal species are known to have homosexual relations, including humans. I also mentioned republicans cater to bigots, i.e. religious nutters, and this has held back gay rights. Apparently this pissed off a poster.

The responder stated this: so incest, rape, eating of your offspring, ect are found inother species, is it cool if we do all that since wild animlas do it in nature Mr. Miller?

My question: Is this an ad hominen attack, red herring, or straw man? I have a difficult time interpreting those logical fallacies. I'm thinking red herring.

So far I just responded that his comment was a pointless, nonsensical retort.
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What Ubik said. You're not claiming that we should do whatever is natural. You're disputing his implication that sex which doesn't lead to reproduction is wrong because it's unnatural.

But it may be that he wasn't claiming that. Perhaps he thinks only reproductive sex should be practiced because that's God's plan, or something. In which case, your counterargument still applies, because one has to wonder why God arranged things so that bonobos touch their own sisters up, or whatever.

If he wants to get round your argument, he needs to find some reason why the only legitimate sex should be reproductive sex, that isn't predicated on some concept of naturalness.
 
Would it also stand to reason that if he thinks the only legitimate sex is reproductive sex, he must be anti contraception? So if he has ever worn a condom he will burn in eternal hellfire. Probably.
 
Like McCain in 08, Romney's national numbers are likely to nosedive after the debates. Even so, if the election were held today, Obama would probably win the popular vote by 3 percent, and still win the electoral college by about 140. Barring any surprises, the likelyhood of a seismic reversal in the national polls between now and November is quite slim. Basically, everything comes down to tonight's debate - because if Romney blows this one, he will get progressively more desparate and make a mess of it in the final two - just as Al Gore did in 2000.
 
As low as the Daily Mail the week after Megan-gate probably.

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