US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Saliph said:
One of the main problems with many of the right-wingers in America is that they don't seem to understand how empowering the poor and the middle-class - making sure they get access to proper education, food and shelter - actually benefits everyone, economically and socially.

Their economic policy is a cartoon, and it does not work in the long run, simply because it can't work.
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Absolutely.

Having an educated population is far better for the country in almost every sense.. except they are not as easy to manipulate, and are aware of the 15 different way they are getting screwed- leading to action against the 'ruling classes'.

Of course the wealthy want to cut education, they'd rather have ill educated drones that vote against their own financial interests over other divisive issues.

Trickle down economics is a load of rubbish, having a general population with disposable income leads to growth, increased competition etc again the wealthy would rather not have to compete to maintain their position of power, instead making up the difference through borderline monopolies and low tax rates.
 
It's remarkable to me that we're talking about trickle-down economics again. I thought it was just a bad joke from the 80s.

George HW Bush called them 'Voodoo Economics', even that reptile thought it was a step too far.
 
gooDevil said:
It's remarkable to me that we're talking about trickle-down economics again. I thought it was just a bad joke from the 80s.

George HW Bush called them 'Voodoo Economics', even that reptile thought it was a step too far.
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Trickle down economics, as far as politicians are concerned is just paying back the people who donated to your campaign at the ordinary tax payer's expense.
 
It's the beauty of Fox. Claim everyone else is biased. When someone points to their own bias, use this as proof of your horrible bias against Fox.
 
Red Dreams said:
Rassmussen is saying Romney is ahead by 10 in Arizona.

I think that really means the President is even and the Republicans are running scared.

I think Obama wins Arizona.


oh btw Rasmussen is saying Nationally the race is tied....
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did you see Dick Morris saying that Romney would win by about 4-5 points if the election were held this week? Even Hannity said "oh come on"

apparently all the polls are dem biased, even rassmussen
 
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Excal said:
Wow. When even Sean Hannity is calling bullshit...
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in fairness, he didn't call bullshit on the 4-5% win. He said 'oh come on' at Dick Morris claiming Romney would win Pennsylvania.. (just checked, rassmussen has Obama up by 12)

That was a mistake on my part.

 
One poll suggesting Romney might be leading in iowa.

That would be a shock result if true.. not pinning my hopes on it.
 
Jaz, who would you vote for in November if you were American?
 
Ubik said:
It's official, conservatives are now cracking each others heads open and feasting on the goo inside http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-vs-barack-obama-fox-news-presidential-poll-skewed
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I'm sure I'm misunderstanding, but this seems to be saying that if you call up 1000 people and you get more democrats than republicans, that the poll is 'skewed'?

Do they only let a democrat into a polling station if he brings a republican or something?

That would certainly make for a tighter race!
 
gooDevil said:
I'm sure I'm misunderstanding, but this seems to be saying that if you call up 1000 people and you get more democrats than republicans, that the poll is 'skewed'?

Do they only let a democrat into a polling station if he brings a republican or something?

That would certainly make for a tighter race!
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Polling is a difficult science. If you robocall you are usually likely to only get in touch with people who respond to robocalls and are on the list of callers. Or if its the internet, you tend to get in touch with younger people (less likely to vote, usually more left-wing than population). Fieldwork, is the same, depending on which areas you visit AND who's responding truthfully. Therefore, you usually have to adjust for the population by weighting different 'types' of people.

The problem for Romney: all polls cannot be oversampling democrats.All polls have Obama leading nationally and in most battleground states. The truth is: Romney is behind, how much behind, we don't know. I suppose it's possible there are a few % of people who are 'shy' Romney voters, and lying to pollsters about voting Obama instead, and vice versa. Not sure it's significant.
 
gooDevil said:
I'm sure I'm misunderstanding, but this seems to be saying that if you call up 1000 people and you get more democrats than republicans, that the poll is 'skewed'?

Do they only let a democrat into a polling station if he brings a republican or something?

That would certainly make for a tighter race!
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Yeah, they're basically saying "there are too many democrats being sampled, it can't be right!" but they're basing that on there being more people that identify themselves as democrats than republicans in the surveys. In actual fact, the numbers of democrats are at the same or less than the exit polls in 2008 said, what seems to be happening is that republicans are identifying more as independents. Either way it's a load of horse crap, the polls aren't skewed in any meaningful way.
 
Jaz said:
One poll suggesting Romney might be leading in iowa.

That would be a shock result if true.. not pinning my hopes on it.
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Why would someone who lives in the UK be pinning their hopes on a poll in Iowa? Is it because you consider yourself conservative and like to stick up for your team or do you actually care about what happens to the United States?
 
Ramshock said:
Have you ever lived in America?
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Ramshock said:
Why would someone who lives in the UK be pinning their hopes on a poll in Iowa? Is it because you consider yourself conservative and like to stick up for your team or do you actually care about what happens to the United States?
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You have a problem with Brits commentating on a US election? :lol: On a Manchester United forum? :wenger:

I know it's a novelty for US people to take interest in the elections of other nations, but in the UK is pretty normal to have the US, French, German etc elections on our news and comments columns. I don't see French people complaining about British people taking interest or preference in the French Presidency race, or Indian people complaining about Brits discussing the Indian general election.
 
Jaz said:
You have a problem with Brits commentating on a US election? :lol: On a Manchester United forum? :wenger:

I know it's a novelty for US people to take interest in the elections of other nations, but in the UK is pretty normal to have the US, French, German etc elections on our news and comments columns. I don't see French people complaining about British people taking interest or preference in the French Presidency race, or Indian people complaining about Brits discussing the Indian general election.
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Was I complaining? I was asking you if cared about what happened to the US or are you just sticking up for your side?
 
Red Dreams said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ia/iowa_romney_vs_obama-1922.html

A Republican pollster has Romney up by 1. Just ignore. Early voting started yesterday. Obama voters were lined up well before polls opened.

Iowa is only the beginning. Obama will win that state and the election by a landslide.

I'm now more focused on the Senate and House races...which is moving in our direction.
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Yeah, Iowa should be a decent win for Obama (probably by 6%+).

I think the democrats would be lucky to get to 53. I don't think much has changed recently though. Virginia might be getting tighter.. maybe Wisconsin. But still not really close tbh in most races.
 
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