US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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Mitt's rate of nonsensical comments (RNC) seems to be increasing dramatically. I'm making it about one and a half a day at the moment. I guess that's what happens when you need to make something change RIGHT NOW.

I'm still somehow sceptical though that any of it's gonna make any difference....
 
Mitt's rate of nonsensical comments (RNC) seems to be increasing dramatically. I'm making it about one and a half a day at the moment. I guess that's what happens when you need to make something change RIGHT NOW.

I'm still somehow sceptical though that any of it's gonna make any difference....

I reckon his last play is to go Bob Roberts on us and get himself shot.
 
Remember, there are no poor people to Republicans. There three categories;

Rich people who worked hard and earned every penny
Middle class people who will one day be rich and thus don't want to raise taxes on the rich
Lazy freeloaders who could be rich if they would just go out and look for a job
 
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Think nimic's actually got the right of it, here. I haven't seen an official WH response, but I'm not sure they need to make one. They'll get asked, and it'll be a boilerplate "This shows how out of touch Romney is" answer, but really, there's no need for them to jump on it. The press'll do that for them.

cant wait to see Chris Matthews roast Romney today.

Have you seen the look on the faces of these Romney surrogates that come on these shows nowadays? Its like...'how many hits am I going to have to take for this retard today' kinnda a look.
 
On the daily trackers, Gallup has it 50-44 for Obama, meaning Obama is up 6, Ipsos-Reuters has it 48-41 Obama, meaning Obama is up 7, and Rasmussen has it 47-46 Romney, meaning Obama is up 8.

The amount that I laughed at this joke is making me ponder where my life went wrong...
 
The amount that I laughed at this joke is making me ponder where my life went wrong...

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Who the hell do Rasmussen poll?


Rasmussen (Friday) Romney +3
CBS News/NY Times Obama +3
Gallup (Friday) Obama +5
Democracy Corps Obama +5
FOX News Obama +5
Esquire/Yahoo Obama +4
Reuters/Ipsos Obama +3
CNN/Opinion Research Obama +6
IBD/CSM/TIPP Obama +2
 
On the daily trackers, Gallup has it 50-44 for Obama, meaning Obama is up 6, Ipsos-Reuters has it 48-41 Obama, meaning Obama is up 7, and Rasmussen has it 47-46 Romney, meaning Obama is up 8.

Hannity quoted that poll yesterday as a proof that the American people were angry at Obama's handling over the embassy protests. :lol:

And no I don't regularly watch Hannity but I tuned in for 10 mins yesterday for a Lol.
 
I cant understand what Romney is doing going so far right. Ok. He will get the people who hate Obama. But he was going to get them anyway.

The only thing he has not done is use the N word.

If he is going to lose...and he must know he is losing...why not lose with dignity?

Unless he is planning on joining his cash in the Caymans, Bermuda and Switzerland...
 
Not to subtle codes being used

Time To Panic
Religious conservatives are worrying out loud about Mitt Romney.
By David Weigel|Posted Friday, Sept. 14, 2012


Bryan Fischer is surrounded by shiny, happy people. Rep. Paul Ryan has just finished speaking to the annual Values Voter Summit, the final pre-election conference of social conservatives. He smiled through two ineffective hecklings—Ryan is quite good at turning those into applause breaks—and got the audience cheering for Mitt Romney, for the “moral clarity” of his foreign policy, for the threatened “religious liberty” of churches.
Everybody else swooned, then filed out of the room to grab lunch. Fischer, whose American Family Association co-sponsors this event, wasn’t swooning.

“He didn’t say one single word about marriage,” says Fischer. “This is the safest environment in the United States of America to talk about marriage. I’ve got to believe that that came from on top. Marriage won 61-39 in North Carolina—in 2012! That’s in a state that President Obama won in 2008. Marriage is a winner. It’s just a mystery to me that they won’t touch this thing.”

He shrugs. “Mitt Romney should be leading by 10 or 15 points. The fact that he’s not is Mitt Romney’s problem. It’s because he’s run such a lackluster campaign that’s been so vague on ideas.”

The Values Voters Summits began in 2006, based on a simple premise: The voters who had brought the GOP to power were being disrespected. Twenty-two percent of voters had told exit pollsters that “moral values” motivated them. Democrats, engaged in their quadrennial bout of hand-wringing, agreed that social issues had befuddled the country and cost them a victory.

Fast-forward to now. President Barack Obama supports gay marriage, and refuses to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act. He signed a health care bill that lowers the cost of birth control coverage. He reversed the Reagan-era ban on aid to international family planning programs. He appointed two anti-abortion Supreme Court justices. One in five voters still think the guy’s a Muslim.

And he’s winning. Romney-Ryan didn’t get much of a convention bounce, but the president did. New polls in swing states that Republicans cannot afford to lose—Ohio, Virginia—show the president in the lead. This wasn’t supposed to happen after Labor Day, when conservatives expected tighter voter models (the all-important “likely voters”) to show Romney ahead.

So conservatives are talking themselves into optimism. “Before you decide the election is over based on September polls,” writes Mike Huckabee in an email to supporters, “remember that coming out of the 1988 Democratic convention, Gallup showed an insurmountable 17-point lead for that great former president, Michael Dukakis.”

Walking around the conference, I heard the Tale of Dukakis again and again. But the story leaves out how George H.W. Bush’s convention came after Dukakis, and he made the most of the opportunity to erase that lead. Like every “maybe this time will be like that time” analysis, it leaves out the demographic and culture shifts that have made it easier for a Democrat to put together 270 electoral votes.

Conservatives have started to process that. “There’s a growing segment of the American population that is dependent on government funds and largesse,” says Dean Welty, an activist from Virginia. “Many of them give the Obama administration credit for that. We have the largest number of people on welfare we’ve ever had. We have the largest number of people on unemployment. It’s not good for the country, but it’s good for Obama.”
Most of the Values voters I talk to end up delivering a version of this theory. Ryan’s speech targeted Obama for “more people in poverty, and less upward mobility wherever you look.” If you’ve paid enough attention to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you see this as intentional. The books on sale on the way into the main ballroom include Spreading the Wealth: How Obama Is Robbing the Suburbs To Pay for the Cities.

“Forty-seven million on food stamps and the regime is advertising for more,” said Limbaugh in July. “We have 47, 48 percent who pay no income taxes. We have 3 million more off the unemployment rolls and on the disability rolls, and they all vote.” At the conference, I hear the same argument from a businessman and a self-publishing author, William Been. “When you figure that 47 million of us are receiving food stamps today—which is double the number from four years ago—that’s a way, possibly, for people in poverty to feel better about themselves.”

In other words, voters are being bribed. Gary Bauer, the deathless evangelical leader who still fills seats at these sorts of events, uses his afternoon speech to name and shame the moochers. “There’s a lot of people out now around America who depend on checks from their fellow taxpayers being in the mailbox every day,” Bauer says. “They will turn out in massive numbers.”

You hear enough of this misery, and you start thinking about the endgame. What if Mitt Romney actually manages to blow this election? The Values Voters will never say that he failed to win the center, because they won’t believe it. They’ll say that he never drew the contrast between what Obama was doing to America and how he and Paul Ryan, specifically, would fix it. They’ll say that this left evangelical voters—few of whom liked Romney in the first placed—disengaged.

Standing near one of the conference’s banks of water coolers, I notice William Temple. This is not hard to do. Temple, the “Tea Party patriot,” dresses in various Colonial costumes and yells, “Huzzah!” when he hears something he likes. He’s the first person that bemused members of the foreign press try to interview, because the image is just too good. He trekked up to D.C. from Georgia and managed to get all kinds of clattering metal props through security. He’s worried, too.

”We picked probably the weakest candidate we could,” says Temple. “Someone like a Herman Cain or a Michele Bachmann would have ’em fired up.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...rong_person_to_run_against_barack_obama_.html
 
I cant understand what Romney is doing going so far right. Ok. He will get the people who hate Obama. But he was going to get them anyway.

The only thing he has not done is use the N word.

If he is going to lose...and he must know he is losing...why not lose with dignity?

Unless he is planning on joining his cash in the Caymans, Bermuda and Switzerland...

I haven't sussed that out either. I should have thought after beating those loonies in the primary race that he would shuffle back to the center to compete for what's left of a befuddled middle, but I'm admittedly naive. I'd likely lose the vote to be brad-dyrak.
 
I haven't sussed that out either. I should have thought after beating those loonies in the primary race that he would shuffle back to the center to compete for what's left of a befuddled middle, but I'm admittedly naive. I'd likely lose the vote to be brad-dyrak.

Well, he did dial it in a bit after the nomination.

I think there are two things happening now. One is that the polls - and maybe more so his internals - are telling him he's in trouble. At this point he's trying to force the game, and to do that he needs to create a story. It's hard to make headlines with the same kind of rhetoric that will attract the dwindling number of undecideds, so the next best thing is just to make waves and hope Obama makes a mistake (which to be fair he did, mildly, with his equivocations over the embassy statement and the back-and-forth with the State dept. over the status of Egypt as an ally/enemy).

The other point is I think it's hard to overestimate how much of an echo chamber these people are in. Yes he can pull back a bit, but he lives in a world where everyone basically thinks that Obama's a socialist who's both weak and a tyrant, growth is created by tax cuts for the rich, climate change is a hoax (or at least trying to do anything about it is a folly), etc. When he mentions Obama apologising for America, to us it sounds like wingnut-bait, but he probably actually believes it, at least at that moment.
 
I can't wait to see the 2016 election. Hopefully the Republicans will go even further right, thinking that's where they go wrong.

That's all very well except that a) they might get in, in which case it's Armageddon; and b) the Dems need a serious opposition to keep them honest. They're no strangers to corruption and abuse of power.
 
You know, I'm starting to think women might be, on average, slightly better than men. Every time there's a "this proportion of men/women", the women are always supporting the right thing more.

Music and movies notwithstanding, of course.
 
Rick Santorum at the Values Voters Conference:

WASHINGTON, DC — Former presidential candidate Rick Santorum attacked the media and "smart people" for not being on the side of conservatives in a speech to the Values Voter Summit on Saturday.

"We will never have the media on our side, ever, in this country," Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, told the audience at the Omni Shoreham hotel. "We will never have the elite, smart people on our side."

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That's a non-event, he's clearly using it ironically, or at least in inverted commas. It's the same as when Krugman or Greenwald talk about the Very Serious People in the media, it's not like they're saying, "my side's frivolous".
 
When they say "the family" it's basically code for "not gays" isn't it? It seems to imply that liberal people don't have families. Or at least inferior, less American families. Black, gay, Jesus hating ones.
 
That's a non-event, he's clearly using it ironically, or at least in inverted commas. It's the same as when Krugman or Greenwald talk about the Very Serious People in the media, it's not like they're saying, "my side's frivolous".

He's not only using it ironically. He says they will never have the Universities or the Colleges on their side, either.
 
Meh, it's standard contempt for 'intellectual elites', it doesn't mean he actually recognises them as more intelligent.

Again, Krugman's Very Serious People are in fact widely taken seriously as economists and pundits, but that doesn't mean he's affirming that judgment by using the label.
 
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