US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/26/poll-less-half-voters-think-obama-is-christian/

About one in six voters still thinks President Obama is Muslim while only half identify him as a Christian, according to a new national poll released Thursday.

Just 49 percent of voters surveyed by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion and Public Life said the president is Christian, while 17 percent said he is Muslim and 31 percent did not know his religion.

The percentage who think Mr. Obama is Muslim has actually increased by 5 percentage points since he was elected in 2008, although it has decreased 2 percentage points since an August 2010 poll.

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Silly billies. Obama ain't muslim. He is islamist.
 
Silly billies. Obama ain't muslim. He is islamist.
Part of me is surprised that fox news hasn't created video packages which show images of Obama followed by people shouting Allahu Ackbar to reinforce that stereotype. Especially following these "news" stories linking the Obama administration to the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
Ok, I would agree with you on the race card can be very lazy, but recognizing the insipid racism all over the Republican party and their followers and supporters is very relevant and far from lazy. And I repeat, lazy and disingenuous not to recognize it.

As far as fiscal conservatives . . . what a load of bollocks. They're fiscally conservative for social sending (which carries racist overtones), but for the war machine, homeland security, jailing, handing out public funds to their cronies, they are anything but fiscal conservatives. I wish democrats would start calling them on their bullshit. Next time you hear "strong on defense" people should start screaming "big spenders." as with Bush and Reagan, they're worse spenders than anyone, it's just what they choose to spend it on. Remember Dick Cheney . . . deficits don't matter. It's extremely lazy not to recognize this republican bs. It was a democrat Bill Clinton who balanced the budget. The big difference is Republicans don't want to pay for the big spending with taxes, unless of course it's for their almighty, inauditable military complex. Life is so sacred for them in the abortion question, but they have no problem with bombing Vietnam and Cambodia back into the stone ages. Republican hypocrisy knows no limits. Carpet bombing villages and urban areas. Just remember, next time you hear "strong on defense," replace it with massive massive spending on the military industrial complex and more prisons and homeland security.

Old conservative values are when blacks knew their place.

But yes, I will grant you the race card can be extremely lazy and tedious.

While I agree on some points, it's noticeable you left out FDR and LBJ, two democrats that initiated the US into global conflicts that included carpet bombings.

I may be wrong but was it the GOP side that helped Clinton balanced the budget? http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-bill-clinton-didnt-balance-budget
 
While I agree on some points, it's noticeable you left out FDR and LBJ, two democrats that initiated the US into global conflicts that included carpet bombings.

There's a bit more to it than that regarding FDR and LBJ. With Roosevelt, you seem to forget that the US was attacked first so he didn't initiate the conflict at all. With LBJ, the Vietnam war was actually begun by Eisenhower and expanded upon by JFK. JFK tried to end the war but was murdered soon afterwards. LBJ escalated the conflict in order to stay in power and get his Great Society legislation passed. When it became clear to him that Vietnam was unwinnable and almost impossible to disentangle the US from, he refused to stand for election again. Nixon came to power and escalated the bombing on a massive scale and actually succeeded in getting the North Vietnamese to the negotiating table, but they knew that they could just wait him out and obtain better terms with his replacement.

A study of any graph on defence spending during the last 60 years clearly shows that it is at it's highest under republican administrations. The military-industrial complex was born under Eisenhower and scared him so much that he warned against it in his last speech as POTUS. Nobody since him has been able to reign it in.
 
You have to wonder a little bit why the US is so interested in giving money to Israel. Usually that much money comes with a lot of strings, what do they have that's worth all that aid?

I have a hard time believing it's all about respect for Judaism, politicians didn't want to give their own people health care but we want to fund Israel? The only thing that makes sense to me is that it's a way of having our army in the area without having to call is the US army and add to the tension. Though the Israeli army causes plenty of tension so I'm not sure it could be worse.

But then is having this sort of military foothold in that region really so useful? I guess those making the decisions have an easier time spending the money as it's not theirs, if they don't spend it they can't keep it, so why not expand our military influence? Still doesn't explain all the groveling our politicians do to AIPAC. Britain is an ally but we'll criticize them, unlike Israel.
 
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

The 3 graphs on the right are revealing. Romney has had a bad month.

I see Romney having gained 4+ percent of the national vote in the last 7 days.

Which boggles the mind a bit.

Again, kudos to the republicans for convincing people that they should hold the President responsible for an economy he can't control, suffering from legislation from the last republican president and an insane war budget no one worried about paying.
 
Am I right in thinking that Romney is going to be the next George Bush? He seems to carry that blend of arrogance and idiocy anyway.
 
I see Romney having gained 4+ percent of the national vote in the last 7 days.

Which boggles the mind a bit.

Again, kudos to the republicans for convincing people that they should hold the President responsible for an economy he can't control, suffering from legislation from the last republican president and an insane war budget no one worried about paying.

Huh? Where are you getting that from, exactly?
 
Obama looks comfortable in all the swing states...even getting back a little in North Carolina. But he will not get Missouri for sure.

Long 100 days to go... the dangerous thing is that the economic indicators are all trending downwards and consumer confidence will be eroded. The Obama campaign needs to keep it off today's news and into the future.

Also by definition, swing states are called that for a reason.
 
Obama=United

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Romney must be a Liverpool supporter since he is close friends with Henry too!
 
Long 100 days to go... the dangerous thing is that the economic indicators are all trending downwards and consumer confidence will be eroded. The Obama campaign needs to keep it off today's news and into the future.

Also by definition, swing states are called that for a reason.

If the US have another burst of Quantitative Easing that could make all the difference in the short-term, which is what matters for November.
 
Obama=United

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Romney must be a Liverpool supporter since he is close friends with Henry too!

That's fantastic. I was slightly on the fence with this one, on the basis that Obama wasnt really born in America, is a communist fascist person, and a muslim, and has a name that makes him sound a bit like a terrorist. But if he is a United fan then that is all I need to hear. Shame I dont get an actual vote, but hopefully my endorsement will help him.
 
There's a bit more to it than that regarding FDR and LBJ. With Roosevelt, you seem to forget that the US was attacked first so he didn't initiate the conflict at all. With LBJ, the Vietnam war was actually begun by Eisenhower and expanded upon by JFK. JFK tried to end the war but was murdered soon afterwards. LBJ escalated the conflict in order to stay in power and get his Great Society legislation passed. When it became clear to him that Vietnam was unwinnable and almost impossible to disentangle the US from, he refused to stand for election again. Nixon came to power and escalated the bombing on a massive scale and actually succeeded in getting the North Vietnamese to the negotiating table, but they knew that they could just wait him out and obtain better terms with his replacement.

A study of any graph on defence spending during the last 60 years clearly shows that it is at it's highest under republican administrations. The military-industrial complex was born under Eisenhower and scared him so much that he warned against it in his last speech as POTUS. Nobody since him has been able to reign it in.

Meh theres enough questions about that being allowed to happen for a valid argument.
 
Why do they all have such weird names? Who calls their son Mitt? Wasn't there a guy named Newt as well? Weirdos.
 
No, I mainly reference NPR which us just about the only impartial media source in the US. They also have enough time to dig a little deeper: like their report on four swing States and voter enthusiasm
 
No, I mainly reference NPR which us just about the only impartial media source in the US. They also have enough time to dig a little deeper: like their report on four swing States and voter enthusiasm

NPR is fine, but they aren't really experts on interpreting polling data. If they were, they'd not bother even reporting a voter enthusiasm poll in July cuz it's got approximately feck-all to do with turnout in November.
 
NPR is fine, but they aren't really experts on interpreting polling data. If they were, they'd not bother even reporting a voter enthusiasm poll in July cuz it's got approximately feck-all to do with turnout in November.

Actually the report had experts a plenty. Voter enthusiasm is important, especially with a young voter base and lots if people that have only voted once. If should certainly be tracked by the Obama camp.

I still think Obama will take it easily in the end but they can't be complacent.
 
Actually the report had experts a plenty. Voter enthusiasm is important, especially with a young voter base and lots if people that have only voted once. If should certainly be tracked by the Obama camp.

I still think Obama will take it easily in the end but they can't be complacent.

They arent because my email box is flooded with requests for money from Obama, Biden etc.
 
If the US have another burst of Quantitative Easing that could make all the difference in the short-term, which is what matters for November.

The thing is a lot of the short term uncertainly stems form Europe which affects then China, the last great economic hope. All QE3 will do is to stem some more dramatic slide downwards. And at best provide some mechanism for confidence boosting but little else.

The US corporations are all sitting on a massive massive pool of cash but unwilling to spend/invest until there is more visibility.

Personally even with the next general election there will be gridlock and more anxiety with the budget cliff in Jan of next year.

The only thing I see happening is when the housing market re-bounces (and when they run out of the existing excess stock of houses.) That maybe the best "fundamental" structural boost the US economy can hope for in the next 12-18months..
 
It takes a heck of a lot longer to unfeck a country than it takes to feck it. What Bush did in months and carried on for years, will take decades to undo. Expecting Obama to jump on stage, take off a top hat and pull a white rabbit out of his arse 'taaadaaa' that magically fixes everything is retarded.

Unfortunately it seems most people are retarded and are still waiting for that rabbit, and are ANGRY it hasn't been produced.
 
It takes a heck of a lot longer to unfeck a country than it takes to feck it. What Bush did in months and carried on for years, will take decades to undo. Expecting Obama to jump on stage, take off a top hat and pull a white rabbit out of his arse 'taaadaaa' that magically fixes everything is retarded.

Unfortunately it seems most people are retarded and are still waiting for that rabbit, and are ANGRY it hasn't been produced.

This sums it up. However this messiah is coming hope seems to reflect the desperation the voters are facing.. so they will continue to jump from one candidate to another who promises the fix things.

Early signs of the a crumbling empire?
 
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