US Presidential Election: Tuesday November 6th, 2012

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sglowrider said:
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/29/mitt_romneys_unexamined_past/
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Romney carpet bombed his conservative opponents during the primaries. They were so busy defending themselves, Romney slipped through.

He is the worst candidate the GOP have managed to come up with. Mind you his opponents were all damaged in one way r another.

His business practices are anything but helpful for the average American. Wait for the other shoe to drop in October.
 
Sir Matt said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...hers/2012/08/01/gJQAbeCCOX_story.html?hpid=z4

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This should be no surprise to anyone. It's been Republican politics for yonks. As we've seen it's good policy for the wealthy, but leaves the country as a whole, stagnant. Ridiculous as it sounds, it's really a third world model they are seeking. A small percentage of wealthy and ultra wealthy, a small middle class, and a massive lower class. This is pretty much what defines a third world country. I live in one. Third world countries are known for massive poverty, weak states and low taxes, and small middle classes.

Europeans and Americans developed their unheard of before strong economies and societies by way of the "nanny state," (I say christian approach to society) of taxation, but Republicans and I imagine most conservative Europeans are clearly saying they don't want the wealthy to shoulder the the financial burden of this christian approach, or "nanny state" as you might say. I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist or nobel winning economist to understand this.

All this tax cuts on the wealthy creating economic stimulus is a total myth. They have loads of similar smoke screens such a patriotism and religion and morals etc to hide this fact, otherwise they wouldn't get any lower or middle class votes. The wealthy know this. Democracy can be a dangerous thing for them, hence the voter suppression campaigns and the age old war on those who "want something for nothing." They just want to keep a greater amount of their wealth, and feck the idea of "country," unless of course they need you for war, then they'll make the lowly soldier feel god-like for his or her sacrifice. What kind of country goes on two wars while massively cutting taxes?

I think what it boils down to is whether you honesty feel a short sighted social darwinistic society is for the best, or a more egalitarian "nanny state" christian chariatable one.
 
How far has the GOP come when a conservative Republican candidate is criticized as being moderate.

 
As Bill Maher said, America is like Jessica Simpson. Sometimes it's so stupid it embarrasses you, but on the other hand, how about them titties!
 
Raoul said:
How far has the GOP come when a conservative Republican candidate is criticized as being moderate.

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:lol: I love the style of voice-over they use for these type of ads.

They remind me of the voice-overs you get in UFO/conspiracy documentaries.
 
The Tea Party is the best thing to happen to US politics in ages. They push independent voters away from the GOP and towards the Dems, at least at a Presidential level. I hope they become more active in the coming months, including Sarah Palin. At this rate Romney could lose by about 100-200 electoral votes, despite polling even with Obama at a national level.
 
This is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen. Doesn't say it's Republican but it's obviously from the Ayn Rand side of things.

There is a good point or two lost in there, our school have been dumbed down, legislation is rarely removed just added to, but even the most paranoid conspiracy theorist wouldn't attribute all of these factors to one group.

 
gooDevil said:
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the sad thing is that the talking points in the video probably work with a large proportion of the voters.

Whenever you see Global Warming discussed online its astonishing just how misinformed 'sceptics' are about so many things they act certain about. Scientists thought there would be a new ice age? no, it was in a few research papers that never received any credibility.. not exactly the current scientific consensus about climate change..
 
The 538 model has the best numbers for Obama so far in the campaign, for the first time pushing up to a 70% chance of winning. Interestingly it also now gives him a 4.6% chance of taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote.

Raoul said:
The Tea Party is the best thing to happen to US politics in ages. They push independent voters away from the GOP and towards the Dems, at least at a Presidential level.
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Any evidence for that?

Raoul said:
I hope they become more active in the coming months, including Sarah Palin. At this rate Romney could lose by about 100-200 electoral votes, despite polling even with Obama at a national level.
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Raoul said:
The Tea Party is the best thing to happen to US politics in ages. They push independent voters away from the GOP and towards the Dems, at least at a Presidential level. I hope they become more active in the coming months, including Sarah Palin. At this rate Romney could lose by about 100-200 electoral votes, despite polling even with Obama at a national level.
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Have you had a political shift? I thought you were a right winger
 
Plechazunga said:
The 538 model has the best numbers for Obama so far in the campaign, for the first time pushing up to a 70% chance of winning. Interestingly it also now gives him a 4.6% chance of taking the electoral college while losing the popular vote.



Any evidence for that?
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Its standard logic. Silver's quantitative blog muppetry is only half of the equation. Tea Party core issues are significantly to the right of the Republican mainstream, and thus even further to the right of undecided Independents. The more steam the Tea Party picks up between now and the election - particularly in the lead up to Romney's VP pick - the more turned off undecided independents will be. Romney will be stuck in the middle of the storm between ultra-conservative "take America back" types, and the need to appeal to Obama Republicans and independents. That's a massive problem for him.


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I have Obama winning by 332-206, despite the popular vote being quite tight. One day people will learn that the national polling means little in lieu of swing state polling.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map?hw

The above link is basically how I think the election will pan out, with Virginia and Florida going to Obama and NC to Romney.
 
Raoul said:
Compared to the US it is. Then again a Brit might similarly characterize the US as being far right.
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in the context of world politics do you think its more likely for the US to be seen as a right wing country or the UK to be seen as a left wing one?

reminded me of the political compass test thread with the UK Political parties, and the US presidential hopefuls (at the time)

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Drainy said:
in the context of world politics do you think its more likely for the US to be seen as a right wing country or the UK to be seen as a left wing one?

reminded me of the political compass test thread with the UK Political parties, and the US presidential hopefuls (at the time)

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Its a tough call given that the US is the world's dominant actor. Its definitely, geopolitically right of the world median, despite being the most powerful country in the world, economically, technologically, and militarily (the classic definition of a hyper power).
 
BTW, it looks like the Romney tax records issue is creeping into the narrative again. This is going to dog him until he releases all of them.
 
Raoul said:
Its a tough call given that the US is the world's dominant actor. Its definitely, geopolitically right of the world median, despite being the most powerful country in the world, economically, technologically, and militarily (the classic definition of a hyper power).
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Not to re-enact the rant from the Newsroom pilot, but how are we the most technologically advanced country? The UN's Technology Achievement Index puts us 2nd behind Finland. The Global Innovation Indexes put out by the Boston Consulting Group and INSEAD have us 9th and 7th, respectively. We don't have the most patents, that's Japan. South Korea has a higher Digital Opportunity Index, and has 85% of it's citizenry on broadband internet. Russia's spent more time in space than we have. Iceland has more of its population connected to the Internet. Denmark's E-Readiness eclipses ours. Israel has a higher density of eco-friendly industry. Most of Europe has faster and better wireless access, and we STILL don't have a dedicated high-speed rail line anywhere in the country.

I'll buy that our military technology is the most advanced, but that really goes in with "militarily". In terms of real technological development and infrastructure, we're not exceptional.
 
Excal said:
Not to re-enact the rant from the Newsroom pilot, but how are we the most technologically advanced country? The UN's Technology Achievement Index puts us 2nd behind Finland. The Global Innovation Indexes put out by the Boston Consulting Group and INSEAD have us 9th and 7th, respectively. We don't have the most patents, that's Japan. South Korea has a higher Digital Opportunity Index, and has 85% of it's citizenry on broadband internet. Russia's spent more time in space than we have. Iceland has more of its population connected to the Internet. Denmark's E-Readiness eclipses ours. Israel has a higher density of eco-friendly industry. Most of Europe has faster and better wireless access, and we STILL don't have a dedicated high-speed rail line anywhere in the country.

I'll buy that our military technology is the most advanced, but that really goes in with "militarily". In terms of real technological development and infrastructure, we're not exceptional.
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Not sure what the parameters are. I'm guessing it has to do with actually with innovating new technologies through private industry and academic institutions - from the Silicon Valley/Bay Area companies to MIT, CalTech, and a host of private companies.
 
Raoul said:
Its a tough call given that the US is the world's dominant actor. Its definitely, geopolitically right of the world median, despite being the most powerful country in the world, economically, technologically, and militarily (the classic definition of a hyper power).
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The UK are like a mini-US in Neo-Imperialistic attitude towards other countries and resources. Sure, the US is very militaristic though.

Economically, the US vs UK comparison is pretty weird (ofc the US is a far larger economy). The UK's regulatory authorities tend to be more framework self-regulation based which in theory is more freemarket than the US more rules based regulations (although its questionable whether these rules are enforced or selectively enforced).

However there's no doubting the UK has more of a social safety net.
Anyway sorry for going off topic.
 
Raoul said:
Its standard logic. Silver's quantitative blog muppetry is only half of the equation. Tea Party core issues are significantly to the right of the Republican mainstream, and thus even further to the right of undecided Independents. The more steam the Tea Party picks up between now and the election - particularly in the lead up to Romney's VP pick - the more turned off undecided independents will be. Romney will be stuck in the middle of the storm between ultra-conservative "take America back" types, and the need to appeal to Obama Republicans and independents. That's a massive problem for him.
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Unless the small and dwindling number of true undecided independents aren't really paying much attention to the Tea Party, or even to Romney, but are paying some attention to what they perceive as the President's economic performance.

I have Obama winning by 332-206, despite the popular vote being quite tight. One day people will learn that the national polling means little in lieu of swing state polling.
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I'm loving your optimism. It's what lets me sleep at night.

I'd be very surprised if it was more than 50.
 
In response to that garbage "fail" lark, check out notorious right-wing nutter Michelle Malkin's website. They loved it!

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/04/2...es-viral-but-twitter-suspends-groups-account/

Drainy said:
the sad thing is that the talking points in the video probably work with a large proportion of the voters.

Whenever you see Global Warming discussed online its astonishing just how misinformed 'sceptics' are about so many things they act certain about. Scientists thought there would be a new ice age? no, it was in a few research papers that never received any credibility.. not exactly the current scientific consensus about climate change..
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That Liberty University educated, right-wing white nut that works in the same area of the building I do flat out told me Global Warming is a con created by the Democratic Party. Though he does believe in young earth creationism so take his belief with a grain of salt. ;)
 
MrMarcello said:
That Liberty University educated, right-wing white nut that works in the same area of the building I do flat out told me Global Warming is a con created by the Democratic Party. Though he does believe in young earth creationism so take his belief with a grain of salt. ;)
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Did he talk to you about the endless hacked emails that showed a massive conspiracy of scientists using words like, "flaws in the research" (which they then said needed to be shown in a published article), "trick... to hide the decline" (trick, meaning clever thing to do- as used in academic articles and decline not meaning global temperature measurement, but in representation of tree ring data- a proxy measurement) and scientists trying to stop papers on climate change being published because they didn't fit into the consensus.. oh wait, they were often poor research papers published that supported climate change, but were flawed?
 
Plechazunga said:
Unless the small and dwindling number of true undecided independents aren't really paying much attention to the Tea Party, or even to Romney, but are paying some attention to what they perceive as the President's economic performance.



I'm loving your optimism. It's what lets me sleep at night.

I'd be very surprised if it was more than 50.
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I'm talking about independent leaning Republicans and Democrats who haven't yet made up their minds, not non-party affiliated voters. There are plenty of people who voted for Obama in 08 who are up for grabs this time, a good number of which are waiting for Romney to pick his VP, the debates, and what they see at the party conventions.

In terms of Obama winning by over 100 - its hardly a large amount given that he's leading in most key swing states, except North Carolina. The only states that Romney is likely to win, that McCain didn't , are North Carolina and Indiana.
 
Raoul said:
BTW, it looks like the Romney tax records issue is creeping into the narrative again. This is going to dog him until he releases all of them.
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just seen that Harry Reid claimed a Bain Capital source told him Romney didn't pay any taxes for 10 years.
It's dirty to come out with it without sources, but as has been pointed out the Republicans had no problem speculating and demanding proof when they claimed Obama wasn't born in the US.
 
Drainy said:
just seen that Harry Reid claimed a Bain Capital source told him Romney didn't pay any taxes for 10 years.
It's dirty to come out with it without sources, but as has been pointed out the Republicans had no problem speculating and demanding proof when they claimed Obama wasn't born in the US.
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Reid actually repeated the claim on the floor of the Senate today and Romney went on Sean Hannity's radio show to dispute it. This story will grow.
 
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