She stood for things that I am opposed to. She lost by 12,000. If I had voted for her she would have lost by 11,999 and I would have voted for someone whose policies I find abhorrent.
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She stood for things that I am opposed to. She lost by 12,000. If I had voted for her she would have lost by 11,999 and I would have voted for someone whose policies I find abhorrent.
Funds and manpower were definitely there. Trouble was stablity operations take longer than the amount of time the military is there for to provide security. If the military leaves, the reconstruction projects stop.
And Trump is better or worse than her?
My real curiosity is how many of you are in places like Michigan. Are there 1,200 or 12,000 in Michigan?
Hopefully Dems learn from this. My opinion is people like her should recognize their baggage and simply not run. I don't blame the Democratic party, I blame her. Hopefully the next batch of runners self-reflect on their public and private past and decide for the good of the party and country. I half wonder if Warren has dirt she doesn't want to come out and ruin a run.
It wasn't as much about personal dirt as it was about pro-intervention, pro-wall street policies.
America certainly had the manpower but was unwilling to commit the levels needed for the task at hand (or else why the need for 'surges'?). Your latter point is what I mean by 'time'. What was needed, before any attempts at 'nation-building', elections, provisional/transitional governments, and withdrawal timetables, was the imposing of basic security and stability. Even if it took years to consolidate, which it surely would. Only the American military could have provided that. At a minimum it would have required a heavy American troop presence on every major urban junction in Iraq and Afghanistan, and whatever manpower was required to effectively secure their borders, with the message being sent out loud and clear that their presence there was indefinite.
However the American public simply doesn't have the stomach to see its sons and daughters committed in such a lengthy project in a distant, little understood land where the primacy of American interests is questionable.
As much as people accuse the US of being imperialistic, one way in which they're not like the European powers of past centuries is that they have no great national desire (expressed in political will and also the fact that a low % of population want to leave the country) to have what would amount to a de facto colony. This isn't a morality judgement, but just a practical one. Which is why Iraq and Afghanistan have sucked in the specific way you mention: get in, drawdown, surge, drawdown, surge again..
Pretty much, this is the reason Niall Ferguson calls America an Empire in Denial (he would prefer Americans embrace their imperial status along the same lines the Brits did).
Do you know many people who voted like you? I've not seen any analysis.
No, very few.
So many people say Trump won because of a single voter type. Reality is it was probably dozens or more of groups. Again, hopefully lessons learned by the party.
Thanks for being open about it.
Ten men!
I admire your principles and understand why people say you should vote tactically for the lesser of two evils, but if everyone continues to do that all the time then there will never be real change. People need to stop trying to play games and wake up and realise for things to change, really change then they need to vote for who they really believe in.
I'm the same. I voted Lib Dems here twice as a tactical vote before saying feck it and finally voting how I really wanted to. I don't care if it makes no difference and people say I wasted my vote, I can actually live with myself knowing I voted for who I really believed in. I sleep better and don't feel like I compromised at the polling booth.
He is (e)boueTen men!
I admire your principles and understand why people say you should vote tactically for the lesser of two evils, but if everyone continues to do that all the time then there will never be real change. People need to stop trying to play games and wake up and realise for things to change, really change then they need to vote for who they really believe in.
I'm the same. I voted Lib Dems here twice as a tactical vote before saying feck it and finally voting how I really wanted to. I don't care if it makes no difference and people say I wasted my vote, I can actually live with myself knowing I voted for who I really believed in. I sleep better and don't feel like I compromised at the polling booth.
The Surge was a troop surge designed to secure cities in order to create the political space for reconciliation and other political actions to take place. It had little to do with reconstruction which was going before and after in the background. Reconstruction projects involved not just military security but also the political will of the local communities where the projects were being carried out. Various locations had more corruption than others and viewed US money and material support as gifts to whoever was in charge as opposed to long term rehabilitation for their communities. Ultimately the timeline to remove troops curtailed the timeline of reconstruction projects that were longer term. There was no way around this since troops security was a precondition for civilians to carry out their work.
I'm not sure how this relates to what I wrote - I never mentioned 'reconstruction projects'. If anything your post seems to support my argument.
I misunderstood.
There's a reason the US left which is a bit more involved and probably better off in a separate thread.
They should add "no convicted criminals"
Republicans Have 4 Convicted Criminals Running For Congress In 2018
Three of them are bragging about it.
This guy was actually a democrat and switched parties before he ran for governor.
First:
NEW YORK PRISONS IMPOSE ‘DRACONIAN’ RULES LIMITING BOOKS INMATES CAN READ TO ‘SEX NOVELS, BIBLES AND COLORING BOOKS’
Then:
Inmates Can't Receive Donated Books Anymore, They Have to Buy Them
NEW YORK PRISONS IMPOSE ‘DRACONIAN’ RULES LIMITING BOOKS INMATES CAN READ TO ‘SEX NOVELS, BIBLES AND COLORING BOOKS’
Then:
Inmates Can't Receive Donated Books Anymore, They Have to Buy Them
Not to mention that military troops are fecking terrible at peacekeeping, and things like going around kicking peoples doors in and terrifying them while you search for weapons does very little other than to turn the population against you.
Chelsea Handler is a classless annoying minger.
She's terrible. None of her material is remotely funny - mainly because its all tinged with a not so subtle subtext of her hatred for Trump.
I actually agree with this. Twitter would have suspended a conservative's account for tweeting something like that. In fact, they suspended some peoples accounts for responding to that tweet by Chelsea.
So true. She's the worst. She has nothing informative to say either on her show or on Twitter. I tried watching a couple of episodes of her Netflix show. Just awful. Not funny, not informative, not entertaining. She's so condescending as well. Check out her interview with Russell Brand. He destroys her.
So true. She's the worst. She has nothing informative to say either on her show or on Twitter. I tried watching a couple of episodes of her Netflix show. Just awful. Not funny, not informative, not entertaining. She's so condescending as well. Check out her interview with Russell Brand. He destroys her.
Coal miners turn on Trump after they gain fewer jobs than a local Sam’s Club
https://shareblue.com/coal-miners-turn-on-trump-after-they-gain-fewer-jobs-than-a-local-sams-club/
BROKEN PROMISE: Coal Jobs Still Disappearing
https://shareblue.com/coal-miners-turn-on-trump-after-they-gain-fewer-jobs-than-a-local-sams-club/
BROKEN PROMISE: Coal Jobs Still Disappearing
yeah! people deserve to lose their livelihood for having bad political opinions!
No. What he is saying is he won't feel bad for folks who made poor choices. He didn't say anything about them deserving it. Don't let that stop you from faux outrage though. You didn't bother voting anyway right?
Distinction without a difference. And a great way to alienate fellow citizens.
The Liberal destain for poor white people who voted trump is really just a destain for the poor in general, its that poor white people are the easiest target for them.
Doesn't quite explain how liberal policies make poor people better off with more opportunities with right politics making them poorer with less life chances.
1. They aren't his fellow citizens (I think the guy is Italian)
2. There is a big difference. I don't feel bad for people who consciously make bad decisions in most cases myself. They got conned.
The argument would be these liberal polices don't go far enough. Under Obama(Didn't he get a lot of poor white votes)things hardly got better, although of course there other reasons why people vote against their interest but if your in a desperate situation and see life chances for both you and your kids going no where than you'll vote for any sort of change.
I didn't make it very clear but I was talking about Tory MPs in the second section.
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"Don't feel bad for" is basically the same as "deserved".
They were warned. They were asked to retrain and learn new skills even in the petroleum industry. They followed the lying buffoon. They knew the industry is dying because of stricter environmental laws. I have zero empathy for people who were given a choice then need to face the harsh consequences of making the stupid one instead of the obvious one. I'm an empathetic guy. I'm hardly partisan but these coal miners and workers were given a choice...all of them...during the 8 years of Obama.
Poor white people are the easiest to trick in telling them that brown people and immigrants are the root cause of their quality of life. Lyndon Johnson said that if you tell a poor white guy he's better than the best colored man he won't notice you're picking his pocket.