Mitch McConnell, if he could understand it all, would be very proud.
Nixon would have loved this SC.US supreme court rules Trump has ‘absolute immunity’ for official acts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news.../supreme-court-decision-trump-immunity-ruling
The US is such a dumb fecking country
Not just the USA either, if it can happen there it will be a playbook that many others will follow too.Fascinating to watch the US literally sleepwalking into full blown dictatorship.
I mean they're not even sleepwalking into it at this point, they're happily skipping to it.Fascinating to watch the US literally sleepwalking into full blown dictatorship.
The Supreme would find a way to rationalize this.
I kind of giggled a bit thinking of Marines walking in 4 new judges to SC and telling Alito and Clarence to scoot over.Pretty absurd ruling. Should Biden now appoint 4 new SCOTUS, order the army to kill the current GOP SCOTUS, declare himself president for another 8 years and order army to kill Trump? All of which are not constitutional acts, but at worse, in the eyes of the law, he would be immune from prosecution.
Yeah, I truly believe that at this stage Alito and Thomas would rule that killing 80 million US citizens who vote Democrat is constitutional, but very surprised that the other judges, especially Roberts ruled this way.I genuinely don't understand some of these justices. Fine Alito and Thomas are old and bitter and like pain, but Roberts?he should go down as literally the worst court leader in history.
The public shouldn't stand for this. God knows someone other than Joe would do something now, given these protections but we're fcked by the sham that is the DNC.
All empires crumble, just so fitting it would be a reality TV show con man that does it to the US.
Famous quote by Thomas...I genuinely don't understand some of these justices. Fine Alito and Thomas are old and bitter and like pain, but Roberts?he should go down as literally the worst court leader in history.
The public shouldn't stand for this. God knows someone other than Joe would do something now, given these protections but we're fcked by the sham that is the DNC.
All empires crumble, just so fitting it would be a reality TV show con man that does it to the US.
Sotomayor's dissent:
"Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune."
I know the US is all about Montesquieu and the separation of powers and all that stuff, but it seems crazy to me that a court can decide such immensely impactful matters - with no recourse for the elected legislature except individually impeaching justices and replacing them, and hoping the new ones reverse it.Legally, there are two critical things to understand about the totality of the court’s ruling here:
- The immunity is absolute
- There is no legislative way to get rid of what the court has given
I am sure it had nothing to do with the newly found appreciation for gratuities.Yeah, I truly believe that at this stage Alito and Thomas would rule that killing 80 million US citizens who vote Democrat is constitutional, but very surprised that the other judges, especially Roberts ruled this way.
The problem of removing SCOTUS is that you need both parties to want to do so, considering that it requires 2/3 of votes in the senate.https://www.thenation.com/article/society/trump-immunity-supreme-court/
I know the US is all about Montesquieu and the separation of powers and all that stuff, but it seems crazy to me that a court can decide such immensely impactful matters - with no recourse for the elected legislature except individually impeaching justices and replacing them, and hoping the new ones reverse it.
I'm sending Jill Biden an e-mail as we speak.The problem of removing SCOTUS is that you need both parties to want to do so, considering that it requires 2/3 of votes in the senate.
Assassinating them though? Now, that is another matter. Biden should play with that idea.
Well, I will be job hunting in a year.Lists of names, enemies to be purged, it's not illegal if the president does it.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
That's when you know it is REALLY terrifying.I've been watching some reaction/interpretation to this ruling. The worst part of it seems to be, if an act is initially deemed as "official", then the president cannot even be investigated or asked questions about the discussions had to make that decision. Even though Barrett sided with the majority, she actually dissented on this part because the inability to even scrutinise the discussions or actions between a president and the DOJ means that "unofficial" acts in the pursuit of official ones can never be investigated. So, in theory, there will never be an ability to investigate a President, because even if every unofficial and illegal act is use to achieve the goals of an "official" action, the very nature of it being official means nothing else matters and you can't ask questions and you can never investigate to argue that an "official act" is actually "unofficial".
Once an act is deemed official, there will never be a possibility to hold that person to account.
That is absolutely terrifying.
Is it the worst decision in history as it pertains to checks and balances?I've been watching some reaction/interpretation to this ruling. The worst part of it seems to be, if an act is initially deemed as "official", then the president cannot even be investigated or asked questions about the discussions had to make that decision. Even though Barrett sided with the majority, she actually dissented on this part because the inability to even scrutinise the discussions or actions between a president and the DOJ means that "unofficial" acts in the pursuit of official ones can never be investigated. So, in theory, there will never be an ability to investigate a President, because even if every unofficial and illegal act is use to achieve the goals of an "official" action, the very nature of it being official means nothing else matters and you can't ask questions and you can never investigate to argue that an "official act" is actually "unofficial".
Once an act is deemed official, there will never be a possibility to hold that person to account.
That is absolutely terrifying.
You don’t understand them because you aren’t a christo-fascist zealot. I imagine that when it was a balanced court, the right wing judges were often more restrained in their judgements even when dissenting. Now they have a majority, they know that even their most extreme opinions are no longer off the menu so they’re becoming more and more emboldened.I genuinely don't understand some of these justices. Fine Alito and Thomas are old and bitter and like pain, but Roberts?he should go down as literally the worst court leader in history.
The public shouldn't stand for this. God knows someone other than Joe would do something now, given these protections but we're fcked by the sham that is the DNC.
All empires crumble, just so fitting it would be a reality TV show con man that does it to the US.
That's not technically true. With 2/3rd of the senate and a majority in the House, they can be removed (similar to the president, VP etc).Is the Supreme Court the worst part of the American checks and balances system?
As far as I can tell, they are unelected (unlike other branches of the government), sit lifelong with no mechanism to remove them, are technically completely objective and therefore maintain a veneer of accountability (even though they're clearly incredibly partisan) and their decisions are final, can't be overturned and have consequences at the national level.
I mean....what the feck?
As I see, I didn't know that. Thank you.That's not technically true. With 2/3rd of the senate and a majority in the House, they can be removed (similar to the president, VP etc).
Can't Biden just order a hit man to take the lot of them out then? If you are immune to actions taken while President, why not have them assassinated? Or Trump even.Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
The idea that they are unelected and therefore not beholden to public pressure, was supposed to be part of why they're an important part of the the checks and balances to a three tier system of governance. Unfortunately, what has gradually happened over the past 40 years is both parties have selected justices that they believe conform to their political platforms, which has over time created a very politicized court. There is no remedy for the problem given that it would take an amendment to the constitution to change the process. Either party could also try to increase the amount of justices to the court, but that wouldn't work for long either as it wouldn't fix the fundamental problem of Presidents and Senates continuing to add politically leaning justices in the future.Is the Supreme Court the worst part of the American checks and balances system?
As far as I can tell, they are unelected (unlike other branches of the government), sit lifelong with no mechanism to remove them, are technically completely objective and therefore maintain a veneer of accountability (even though they're clearly incredibly partisan) and their decisions are final, can't be overturned and have consequences at the national level.
I mean....what the feck?
He could be impeached. So definitely worth it.Can't Biden just order a hit man to take the lot of them out then? If you are immune to actions taken while President, why not have them assassinated? Or Trump even.
So, in theory, there will never be an ability to investigate a President, because even if every unofficial and illegal act is use to achieve the goals of an "official" action, the very nature of it being official means nothing else matters and you can't ask questions and you can never investigate to argue that an "official act" is actually "unofficial".