JFC, brutal.US Politics
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JFC, brutal.Its quite remarkable that Vivek actually thought otherwise.
Not surprising. I was also shocked at Coulter's aside on the use of articulate.
Federal complaint filed against School District of Philadelphia alleging antisemitism
https://6abc.com/post/federal-compl...-alleging-antisemitism-baldi-middle/14791768/
The complaint documents almost two dozen incidents of alleged antisemitism within the school district. One of them happened last week. "We are aware of a recent incident in a classroom where a teacher crossed out 'Israel' and wrote 'Palestine,'" Holtzman said.
https://6abc.com/post/federal-compl...-alleging-antisemitism-baldi-middle/14791768/
The complaint documents almost two dozen incidents of alleged antisemitism within the school district. One of them happened last week. "We are aware of a recent incident in a classroom where a teacher crossed out 'Israel' and wrote 'Palestine,'" Holtzman said.
This is just unbelievable, even by her standards.
Seriously, what are these people made of?!!!
Fear and hate.
She’s always been terrible, but this is a new low.
I'd known for a while that their exec editor was the son of an Israeli "media watchdog" organisation called CAMERA. But this is an extra touch I did not know!
Looks like the Right was right - the university administrators are Maoists after all!
Dear god they're going to make them complete a course! Barbarians. We're allowing our CHILDREN to go to these places?
Imagine, breaking school policies (and some laws) becase you believe you shouldn't be punished for that, get caught, and the punishment is an education into why said laws and policies exist.
What kind of society have we descended into.
Imagine, breaking school policies (and some laws) becase you believe you shouldn't be punished for that, get caught, and the punishment is an education into why said laws and policies exist.
What kind of society have we descended into.
A Jewish professor, Annelise Orleck, who was violently attacked and body slammed by American police at a peaceful protest gave an interesting interview, exposing the police violence.
https://news.sky.com/video/us-unive...gged-and-body-slammed-by-riot-police-13127765
https://news.sky.com/video/us-unive...gged-and-body-slammed-by-riot-police-13127765
Also I know some posters were concerned about whether these protests were inherently antisemitic, so this other interview she gave might put some minds to rest.
I'll try to post more of these Jewish perspectives that oppose the genocide against the Palestinians when I come across them so as to help allay the worries that you guys have.
I'll try to post more of these Jewish perspectives that oppose the genocide against the Palestinians when I come across them so as to help allay the worries that you guys have.
Quality control - Insulting another member
Incredible.
He's moved right on everything, not just Israel, after his stroke (or his election and campaign contributions, whichever made more difference I don't know).
He can easily win re-election as a Dem incumbent with a big GOP fanbase in a swing state, but hopefully his body gives up on him before that.
86 PR flacks for a police force with the budget of a military, in a city where libraries are closing
doubt it will make a difference, but non-zero hope
This is insane - did they wake up thinking they are part of Bibis war council
Goes beyond cutting the nose to spite the face
Yeah, these fools thinking they could demand their government to follow the law instead of breaking it and supporting genocide. But they got their lesson alright!
Breaking the law and committing genocide? Very, very complex, it's not black and white.
Breaking school rules while demanding an end to genocide? Ah ah let's all laugh at these fools being punished.
Trump has really broken some people's minds. I'll repeat what I said a few months ago, it's as cultish as maga.
What does Trump have to do with anything?
This is a ridiculous argument. By your reasoning, because YOU have determined that Israel are breaking international law, and because YOU have determined the United States is (equally?) culpabable in breaking international law, YOU determine that a random group of people (is it just students?) should be given carte blance to protest the case YOU care about the most.
Can students violate campus policy to protest abortion? Climate change? The uighurs? Should student protests simply be protected action now, beyond speech? Should the 1st ammendemnt rights of pro-Palestinian protestors supercede the fundamental rights of students to literally go to school? Or is it okay to stop Jewish students from certain activities, because they're Jewish?
If anything is cultish, it is this type of thinking.
Here's what happened in real life: students protested something according to the agreed campus policies. All was fine. Students protested something in a way that violated some policies, got told they'd be punished, did so anyway, punishment came down. That's it.
Trump has got everything to do with this, because liberals now accept all the possible bullshit that's thrown at them because trump.
You can upper case the word you all you want, but it's a fact established by many people whose life is dedicated to the law that israel and the US are breaking the law. Deny it all you want, but it's a pretty silly position at this point.
Should students who are demanding a genocide be stopped have more rights and protection than students who want to attend classes? feck right they should... I mean, worrying about some poor kids not being able to attend class when a fecking GENOCIDE is going on it's the complete destruction of any normal moral compass. Who gives a shit about classes when the US is sending billions and billions to support the murder of tens of thousands of children. Broken minds is my only explanation.
I would love to see you in the past "I mean, sure these ladies want to vote, but they really need to use violence?", "oh MLK has a point, but do these black folks really need to break the rules?".
I have mostly stayed out of this, but this take is ridiculous. If a kid is paying $30,000 a year to learn at an American university, damn right he/she has more rights to be able to make it to the classes he paid to take than some protester who may or may not even attend the school. The choices are not binary here. A kid could hate what we are doing in Israel but also want to learn about molecular biology or whatever study they are doing.
It's kind of impressive how detached from anything else the Gaza situation has become. You clearly articulate here that 'feck right' protestors should have more rights than others. That in of itself as an utterly absurd statement. Society and laws are not and cannot be simply an instataneous reflection of a given sociopolitical moment.
And your final sentence feels really clever, but in fact articulates the point clearly: if the suffragettes and MLK had done what they did expecting no consequence, it would be meaningless. Their protests involved knowing that their actions would have repercussions, and doing so anyway - that's where the power and bravery is.
Students are more than welcome to violate clearly articulated policies for whatever they believe in. We are all are. Same for laws. But you don't get to complain when you then receive the punishment. If you believe so strongly in your cause so much the better, you've done the calculus and decided to take on the repercussions. As it should be.
Also, saying things like 'it's a fact established by many people whose life is dedicated to the law that israel and the US are breaking the law' is acutally the most Trumpian thing ever. Many people, smart people, the best people say what I'm thinking is right.
Finally, if a genocide should be cause for anyone to I guess do anything, you must have been a long time out of work protesting the situation in northern China. Concentration camps, sterilisation, hundreds of thousands displaced and starved. Too bad that genocide doesn't have a PR campaign I guess.
Sorry but I don't really care about classes and molecular biology when a genocide is ongoing and some people are protesting it.
And that kid is paying 30k a year because you have a stupid system, my cousin is paying 0k a year to learn the same. So maybe if americans protested more instead of being oh so concerned about shitty rules, they would have a better country.
Sure, genocide is not normal politics, so no shit it's being highlighted more than everything else. It's embarrassing you're treating it as such.
The difference is that everyone now recognizes the suffragettes and the civil rights movement were absolutely right in breaking the rules and everyone .
I'm sure they had to deal with a lot of folks like you back then.
In this case, instead of also recognizing these protesters are absolutely in the right and will be remembered by history like that, here you are making fun of them.
Way to miss the point.
They know their actions have consequences. The issue is that folks like you are making jokes about their punishment instead of supporting their more than just cause. Broken moral compass.
I hope you're joking, you can't be that ill informed.
I love these kinds of posts. Just because you can't bother to do shit because you don't really care that much, you need to project onto others those same failures to make you feel a bit better.
But don't worry mate, I was more than once protesting in front of the chinese embassy in lisbon, both about uyghurs and tibet. I also protested in front of the russian embassy if that makes you feel better. Oh and I also volunteer to help homeless and immigrants. Since you mention work, I also donate monthly to several organizations I feel do great work to help others.
So don't assume others aren't out there doing the little they can to try to change shitty situations. I know it's easier to make jokes about these students being punished and assume everyone is like you.
It's incredible how the media and establishment politicians are shifting the focus from the atrocities in Gaza to the protests on campuses. We are now supposed to feel sorry for the college student that missed his Philosophy 101 class, rather than the Palestinian child who is having his arm amputated without anesthesia.
A vast majority of people are detached from foreign affairs and simply want to get on with their daily lives. There have been of course actual, commonly accepted genocides in various other countries in recent years, none of which elicited this sort of reaction.
Do you watch United or do anything since the invasion happened? Or go to work? Life goes on, even when horrific shit is happening.
Has there been one so staunchly supported by the government both financially and diplomatically? I can’t think of one. This one is also pretty much covered in real time on social media.
But you are right of course that most people are detached. That’s why it’s so easy to shift the focus away from the actual crimes happening towards minor inconveniences at home. Which is pretty sad and frustrating.
Great, I think it's wonderful that put your words where your mouth is. Good on you. Honestly. I also donate to causes and spend a lot of time out organising things important to me. But that has absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed.
Let me reduce it to the point I was trying to make: protestors shouldn't have carte blanche. Rules should be made known to them, and if they choose to break them, repercussions should follow. That's it. That's my point.
I don't care what they're protesting. Because my personal views on whatever the issue is in no way whatsoever should impact those protestors' decision to break rules. Similar for a politican's views, the President's views, and so forth.
Protest anything you want. Protest all you want. But your protest is not special, or exempt, or gives you the moral right over other people.
Because if you honestly believe that, the logical next question is simple and terrifying: who gets to say whose right's are okay to infringe upon?
Let me reduce it to the point I was trying to make: protestors shouldn't have carte blanche. Rules should be made known to them, and if they choose to break them, repercussions should follow. That's it. That's my point.
I don't care what they're protesting. Because my personal views on whatever the issue is in no way whatsoever should impact those protestors' decision to break rules. Similar for a politican's views, the President's views, and so forth.
Protest anything you want. Protest all you want. But your protest is not special, or exempt, or gives you the moral right over other people.
Because if you honestly believe that, the logical next question is simple and terrifying: who gets to say whose right's are okay to infringe upon?
Well said.
Agreed