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i don't think that's extremism so much as its public elected and judicial figures having strong religious beliefs that inform their views, pretty normal really
When you are guided by religion then you are guided by something other than reason and logic and that's an issue. Believing you are guided by God comes with all sorts of problems which is why we try to keep a wall between church and state. These nutters are trying to smash that wall down.
I’ve always thought that two party politics and first past the post voting, only enhances extremism rather than controls it. It also makes politics far more adversarial, tribal and toxic.
The extremists just in-filtrate the major parties. It’s like in the UK, many of the Tory backbenchers are basically UKIPers in all but name, and just didn’t want to jeopardise their safe seats.
The extremists just in-filtrate the major parties. It’s like in the UK, many of the Tory backbenchers are basically UKIPers in all but name, and just didn’t want to jeopardise their safe seats.
I'd agree with this. It's not exactly a one to one comparison, but it's basically Newton's third law (every action has equal and opposite reaction) in motion.
Trump getting elected saw us witness the rise of AOC, Tlaib, Omar, etc. type of progressive democrats as opposition to Trump.
And then MTG, Boebert, Cawthorne types emerged as a counter to that.
Who knows what'll happen if GOP retakes control next year.
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Spot on, church and government should be separate. It’s what ireland has railed against for years now
Agreed.
Binary politics i.e. left vs. right, blue vs. red, Democrats vs. Republicans (or Labour vs. Tories in the UK) etc. is such a negative thing and just makes the whole system and many of the debates toxic and unbearable.
Even regarding a topic such as working from home post-COVID, I've noticed that a lot of people debate the extremes of whether full-time office working or full-time working from home is better, without considering the obvious middle ground of a hybrid system of working some days in the office and some days at home. Or regarding COVID restrictions, for many people it is complete freedom or a complete invasion of their civil liberty, with them viewing requirements to wear masks in the supermarket the same as full-on lockdowns. So many people can't help but view various topics as binary issues.
I'm not saying German politics is absolutely perfect or something, but a lot of UK and US reports who cover German politics, have quickly noticed how much more 'collegiate' and friendly it is than UK or US politics, helped by the Mixed Member Proportional electoral system instead of a daft, outdated First Past the Post system.
More parties on the ballot paper that actually have a chance of at least gaining reasonable influence = more choice for voters, a greater requirement for different parties to work constructively with each other for the good of the country, less tribalism and voters are better able to view to switch between parties from election to election if they wish etc.
I may be wrong but I think the US political sphere was a more cordial working relationship prior to Gingrich and ilk forcing a permanent fracturing in the 90s, which probably had existed for quite some time but went hyper-partisan.
They are separate de jure wise.
Senators can spout theological believes to connect to their voters at the end of the day. Not against the law.
When it comes to American politics it seems more than any other country where populism is an aesthetic. And the loudest voices on online circles who claim to represent working class people are essentially role playing. It's laughably stupid whereby everything is an existential crisis and yet the fix to the problems are so simple they can fit in a tweet.
Don’t think anyone said it was.
You are not wrong. Gingrich is to blame for leading the charge in the direction of polarisation and the disintegration of bipartisanship. Cnut of a man.
Plus losing some lions in the Senate & House like Dole & O’Neill, etc. around the same time. House was always more contentious, but was exacerbated by the likes of Gingrich, DeLay et al.
Agreed, although the Dems shouldn't practice unilateral disarmament.
what's wrong with voting for trump
there's a lot of context within the tweet about the disparity between their votes and their professed beliefs.
https://theintercept.com/2021/12/07/senate-chris-murphy-missile-sale-vote/
THE SENATE TONIGHT voted 67-30 against a resolution to ban a $650 million air-to-air missile sale to Saudi Arabia approved by the State Department. The resolution was introduced last month by Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky.; Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.; and Mike Lee, R-Utah. “A message needs to be sent to Saudi Arabia that we don’t approve of their war with Yemen,” Paul said at the time. “By participating in this sale, we would not only be rewarding reprehensible behavior, but also exacerbating a humanitarian crisis in Yemen.” Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., who partnered with Sanders and Lee in November 2018 to invoke the 1973 War Powers Resolution to prohibit U.S. participation in the Saudi bombing offensive in Yemen, notably didn’t back his colleagues in this latest effort.
All 50 Democrats voted for the same thing when Trump was in charge, now most of them vote against it
1 single party, the pro-Saudi pro-genocide party.
THE SENATE TONIGHT voted 67-30 against a resolution to ban a $650 million air-to-air missile sale to Saudi Arabia approved by the State Department. The resolution was introduced last month by Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky.; Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.; and Mike Lee, R-Utah. “A message needs to be sent to Saudi Arabia that we don’t approve of their war with Yemen,” Paul said at the time. “By participating in this sale, we would not only be rewarding reprehensible behavior, but also exacerbating a humanitarian crisis in Yemen.” Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., who partnered with Sanders and Lee in November 2018 to invoke the 1973 War Powers Resolution to prohibit U.S. participation in the Saudi bombing offensive in Yemen, notably didn’t back his colleagues in this latest effort.
All 50 Democrats voted for the same thing when Trump was in charge, now most of them vote against it
1 single party, the pro-Saudi pro-genocide party.
y'know that's fair enough mate and bob dole would not at all be my cup of tea so fair does
I understand it from a counterbalancing point of view, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Interested to see what happens if Dems manage cram through a 8-0 map in MD in opposition of Hogan and his redistricting commission, which is generally more popular with the people in the state. Even some of the more prominent Democrats in the state like Mfume are coming out against it.
Edit: Also the "gerrymandering" in NV and NM to spread Hispanic votes out could very well turn out to be dummymanders, seeing the Latinos trend decisively against the left recently.
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And now its reported Jussie Smollett testified that CNN host Don Lemon used his contacts and tipped him off that the police had started investigating his incident as suspicious, potentially hindering the investigation.
So what I'm hearing is we might be rid of CNN Superfriends before the end of the year?
Will be interesting to see. Obviously Lemon already has the sexual assault lawsuit pending, so will be interesting what comes from that if not the hinderence allegation.
We really do have America's dumbest Senator.
Can’t wait to start hearing about the upcoming Listerine enema emergency room visits.
Good thread, learnt a lot. What I learnt I can't say though.
From the comments I learned Bob Dole had a mistress named Svetlana. That's something I guess.
And the father, who admitted he knew his son molested his daughters, is running for state office next week. AND, this piece of shit was an executive director of an arm of the Family Research Council...
Jesus, I've read about Peter Scully before, this isnt your run of the mill, vanilla, child porn.
You're talking the torture/snuff film end of that spectrum.
I’d never heard of him, had to close down his Wikipedia page. Some things are just too depraved to read.
Yeah, insane to think theres shit like that going on in the world.
And the money required to access the content he produced, unsettling to think who his market was doesn't come close.
I'm not even a proponent of capital punishment, but hearing that name just instinctively tells me that that was who it was designed for.
What's chilling is that there are actual people that get away with committing such unimaginable horrors.
What's chilling is that there are actual people that get away with committing such unimaginable horrors.
I am "shocked" that a state governed by Noem would have something like this. @Carolina Red, when do your Hunger Games: School Supplies begin?
I dunno man, but some teachers gonna be real salty when I suplex them onto their heads
Is this really as reported? I find it hard to believe. They sell lemonades and cookies and earnt more
I doubt it' really is that bad, maybe it's just for fun and fundraising, you know how the media
I taught HS for a few years and my mom taught elementary for 40. I know I had to pay out of pocket both years and I watched my mom do the same, even when our family was really tight on funds. She was the one who told me about this and she was beyond upset. Regardless of the “backstory” they are still making teachers perform for dollar bills, like strippers, to be used for school supplies. They have turned that sad reality into entertainment. They could have just given them the money and had a ceremony, but nope, need to make them perform.