US Politics

The biggest problem we have is grotesque Gerrymandering. The House does not truly represent the will of the majority. The only way to rectify this is in 2020 when hopefully the Democrats control Congress and the Presidency to load the Supreme Court. The matter of Gerrymandering must be brought up for an equitable decision.
Everything else than falls into place. We can then go back in some future time to perhaps having less judges.

Just want to address the point raised elsewhere about how unfair the Senate is in representing views from sparsely populated states. What would be the point of duplicating the House Representation.

There are many articles about this.

Here is just one I googled.

https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7500935/trende-senate-vote-share

If we though simply duplicate the house, why have the Senate.

Finally the Kavanaugh confirmation.

The guilt lies solely with the criminal and traitor in the WH.

The Sham FBI investigation did not do what it was supposed to do.

The votes that were cast simply mirror it.

Finally Manchin.

So he voted with the Republicans to give him cover. The Democrats need his vote.

He cares about health care in his state. Would we be happy to have him vote straight Republican?
 
Eboue said:
you have the luxury of looking at politics like it is a game with good people on both sides who just disagree and thinking they ought to follow roberts rules of order. i dont. when republicans and corporate democrats are in power, my family and friends are the ones who suffer. they are the ones whose houses get forclosed on, who lose healthcare, who get fired unfairly, who work long hours with lax safety regulations and never get a raise. they are the ones in flint who still dont have clean water while obama goes off to produce tv shows for netflix. they are the ones who worked their whole lives only to go bankrupt at 50 because their wife got cancer. they are the ones who are disabled and have their benefits cut to the point of homelessness meanwhile the bankers who crashed the economy got a bailout and eric holder did absolutely fecking nothing about it. they are the ones who get lied to by military recruiters and sent off to kill while eric prince sits atop a pile of cash. they are the ones making $36,000 as a teacher and still have to spend $900 on supplies for their underfunded classrooms while betsy devos has ten yachts. you dont get to preach to me about decorum and norms. the message that these people have for me and my friends and family and community is simple: "drop dead". hatred towards them is the least we can do in response. the very least.
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Eboue, I can accept you saying you want to see people dead. But you've gone too far this time. This post doesn't have any capital letters. You didn't even attempt to make paragraphs!

I'm very disappointed.
 
Revan said:
Your opinions are as left wing as Kim Jong Un's.
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That is a ludicrous statement. North Korea may have the word socialist in its official full name but their vaguely Stalinist, cult of personality stule, ductstorship bears no resemblance whatsoever to the social democratic nature of most countries "left" wing parties.

Eboue's statements would make him a Labor voter in the UK or Australia, far from Kim Jong Un.
 
Eboue said:
you have the luxury of looking at politics like it is a game with good people on both sides who just disagree and thinking they ought to follow roberts rules of order. i dont. when republicans and corporate democrats are in power, my family and friends are the ones who suffer. they are the ones whose houses get forclosed on, who lose healthcare, who get fired unfairly, who work long hours with lax safety regulations and never get a raise. they are the ones in flint who still dont have clean water while obama goes off to produce tv shows for netflix. they are the ones who worked their whole lives only to go bankrupt at 50 because their wife got cancer. they are the ones who are disabled and have their benefits cut to the point of homelessness meanwhile the bankers who crashed the economy got a bailout and eric holder did absolutely fecking nothing about it. they are the ones who get lied to by military recruiters and sent off to kill while eric prince sits atop a pile of cash. they are the ones making $36,000 as a teacher and still have to spend $900 on supplies for their underfunded classrooms while betsy devos has ten yachts. you dont get to preach to me about decorum and norms. the message that these people have for me and my friends and family and community is simple: "drop dead". hatred towards them is the least we can do in response. the very least.
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top post and I share a lot of you sympathy and empathy.

Having said that, I may soon join a growing bunch of families who will have to leave a country they've lived in for more than 15 years waiting for green card in two weeks time. Sell their belongings, move their family, lose their community etc in less than 2 weeks. With visa rejections directly going to deportation procedure, this number will only go up. With USCIS rejecting visas at random, ICE deporting people at will, i will tell you that you will never understand the immigrant problem if you aren't one yourself.

You were not responsible for Trump's election, so I don't expect you to bear the immigrants trouble too, but i will never forgive you for the protest vote as we could have used some of your empathy towards us, coz we knew this was coming before Trump got elected. I have no right to tell you anything, so I will leave you to think whatever you want, but I'll tell you that from my point of view, I loathe the republicans and the protest voters equally. I understand that the compromise candidates like Obama have wasted your trust but probably from our selfish perspective, you guys also stabbed us in the back.
 
Eboue said:
you have the luxury of looking at politics like it is a game with good people on both sides who just disagree and thinking they ought to follow roberts rules of order. i dont. when republicans and corporate democrats are in power, my family and friends are the ones who suffer. they are the ones whose houses get forclosed on, who lose healthcare, who get fired unfairly, who work long hours with lax safety regulations and never get a raise. they are the ones in flint who still dont have clean water while obama goes off to produce tv shows for netflix. they are the ones who worked their whole lives only to go bankrupt at 50 because their wife got cancer. they are the ones who are disabled and have their benefits cut to the point of homelessness meanwhile the bankers who crashed the economy got a bailout and eric holder did absolutely fecking nothing about it. they are the ones who get lied to by military recruiters and sent off to kill while eric prince sits atop a pile of cash. they are the ones making $36,000 as a teacher and still have to spend $900 on supplies for their underfunded classrooms while betsy devos has ten yachts. you dont get to preach to me about decorum and norms. the message that these people have for me and my friends and family and community is simple: "drop dead". hatred towards them is the least we can do in response. the very least.
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Top post mate. I’ve never said it before, but I read your views on politicians and their ilk on here, and I agree with most things that you post. I’m not even from America and I have very high levels of contempt for these people, I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be a citizen. I would be full of nothing but hate for them, so I understand where you’re coming from.
 
fishfingers15 said:
top post and I share a lot of you sympathy and empathy.

Having said that, I may soon join a growing bunch of families who will have to leave a country they've lived in for more than 15 years waiting for green card in two weeks time. Sell their belongings, move their family, lose their community etc in less than 2 weeks. With visa rejections directly going to deportation procedure, this number will only go up. With USCIS rejecting visas at random, ICE deporting people at will, i will tell you that you will never understand the immigrant problem if you aren't one yourself.

You were not responsible for Trump's election, so I don't expect you to bear the immigrants trouble too, but i will never forgive you for the protest vote as we could have used some of your empathy towards us, coz we knew this was coming before Trump got elected. I have no right to tell you anything, so I will leave you to think whatever you want, but I'll tell you that from my point of view, I loathe the republicans and the protest voters equally. I understand that the compromise candidates like Obama have wasted your trust but probably from our selfish perspective, you guys also stabbed us in the back.
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its certainly true that i will never understand what it is like to be an immigrant since i am not one. i do have family members who are immigrants from el salvador, guatemala, honduras and germany. (one of them even voted for trump!) i think we've discussed immigration policies on here before and if i recall correctly i was more in favor of open borders and legal protections for those already here and massively expanding quotas currently in place.

i would also say that i dont consider my vote to be a protest vote. i voted my conscience. im under no illusions that by not voting for hillary clinton i would send a message that anyone would take seriously. i just couldnt bring myself to vote for someone who has caused so much suffering and learned no lessons from it, eagerly touting themselves as someone who would do it again. i understand people who came to a different conclusion, i just couldnt do it personally.
 
I do sometimes feel like Eboue gets a bit carried away, but then I remember that he actually lives in America. When I discuss US politics with friends and family, it's like we can't quite believe what's going on over there. It feels like a third world country in some ways, despite being filthy rich. No wonder an actual left-wing person would feel like they're the only sane person in a madhouse.
 
Eboue said:
its certainly true that i will never understand what it is like to be an immigrant since i am not one. i do have family members who are immigrants from el salvador, guatemala, honduras and germany. (one of them even voted for trump!) i think we've discussed immigration policies on here before and if i recall correctly i was more in favor of open borders and legal protections for those already here and massively expanding quotas currently in place.

i would also say that i dont consider my vote to be a protest vote. i voted my conscience. im under no illusions that by not voting for hillary clinton i would send a message that anyone would take seriously. i just couldnt bring myself to vote for someone who has caused so much suffering and learned no lessons from it, eagerly touting themselves as someone who would do it again. i understand people who came to a different conclusion, i just couldnt do it personally.
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I follow you with a passion to irritate you because I know what you stand for and you did what you did. I admire you for not voting and I hate you for doing it. It's a complicated relationship Eboue. I would like to meet you before I get kicked out of the country.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I follow you with a passion to irritate you because I know what you stand for and you did what you did. I admire you for not voting and I hate you for doing it. It's a complicated relationship Eboue. I would like to meet you before I get kicked out of the country.
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Well you better stick around then. I won't be back in the midwest for a while.
 
Eboue said:
its certainly true that i will never understand what it is like to be an immigrant since i am not one. i do have family members who are immigrants from el salvador, guatemala, honduras and germany. (one of them even voted for trump!) i think we've discussed immigration policies on here before and if i recall correctly i was more in favor of open borders and legal protections for those already here and massively expanding quotas currently in place.

i would also say that i dont consider my vote to be a protest vote. i voted my conscience. im under no illusions that by not voting for hillary clinton i would send a message that anyone would take seriously. i just couldnt bring myself to vote for someone who has caused so much suffering and learned no lessons from it, eagerly touting themselves as someone who would do it again. i understand people who came to a different conclusion, i just couldnt do it personally.
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And you were right that nonvoters have themselves to look at. At least you voted.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I follow you with a passion to irritate you because I know what you stand for and you did what you did. I admire you for not voting and I hate you for doing it. It's a complicated relationship Eboue. I would like to meet you before I get kicked out of the country.
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Damn! This feels like when the Berlin wall came down. Or when the UK/NI peace agreement was signed or when Trump met Kim... Actually, forget that...

It's nice to see though.
 
I haven't followed this story, nor read this thread, nor know much about American politics in general...

But why the hell was a rape case being voted on upon party lines?
 
Eboue said:
i voted party line for democrats except for president
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Gotcha. The point I was making was that you at least made it to the voting booth. How many anti Trump nonvoters in swing states stayed home on election night?
 
endless_wheelies said:
I haven't followed this story, nor read this thread, nor know much about American politics in general...

But why the hell was a rape case being voted on upon party lines?
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SC justice nominee has a dodgy (history of drinking too mich and sexually assaulting girls) background that Republicans didn’t care about and Democrats hated, all because it benefits Republicans to have another conservative judge.
 
fishfingers15 said:
You were not responsible for Trump's election, so I don't expect you to bear the immigrants trouble too, but i will never forgive you for the protest vote as we could have used some of your empathy towards us, coz we knew this was coming before Trump got elected. I have no right to tell you anything, so I will leave you to think whatever you want, but I'll tell you that from my point of view, I loathe the republicans and the protest voters equally. I understand that the compromise candidates like Obama have wasted your trust but probably from our selfish perspective, you guys also stabbed us in the back.
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Let's try to put this myth and hopefully your misplaced anger to rest.

Gary Johnson, Libertarian candidate siphoned off 3.28% of the popular vote from Trump compared to only 1.07% of the popular vote for Jill Stein. Trump had triple the number of "protest" voters hurting him as Clinton had hurting her.
You should be thanking the "protest voters" for helping Clinton and giving her a better chance to win. She would have lost the popular vote in addition to losing the electoral college if there was no third party "protest votes".
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Let's try to put this myth and hopefully your misplaced anger to rest.

Gary Johnson, Libertarian candidate siphoned off 3.28% of the popular vote from Trump compared to only 1.07% of the popular vote for Jill Stein. Trump had triple the number of "protest" voters hurting him as Clinton had hurting her.
You should be thanking the "protest voters" for helping Clinton and giving her a better chance to win. She would have lost the popular vote in addition to losing the electoral college if there was no third party "protest votes".
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I'm sorry but what sort of bullshit is that? Are you saying all the libertarians and green party voters are protest voters? I mean, what the feck? Thanks man, but no thanks.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I'm sorry but what sort of bullshit is that? Are you saying all the libertarians and green party voters are protest voters? I mean, what the feck? Thanks man, but no thanks.
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That's what you were calling them.
The point is the same though. Third party voters helped Clinton a feck tonne more than they hurt her. So your loathing is both misplaced and illogical
 
Eboue said:
Since always. Shareholders are leaches.
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You do understand the basic structural system behind shares in a company I assume?

How number of shares held is your percentage of the company, and therefore the dividend from the same year.
 
I really feel for Ford. She put herself on the line with very little to gain and everything to lose. Now Duffman got confirmed and she's being mocked and called a liar by the president, some republicans and fox news.

I know if I was a woman abused by a political figure, I'd keep my mouth shut and avoid the disgusting circus. I'm sure republicans would be fine with that.
 
fishfingers15 said:
You were not responsible for Trump's election, so I don't expect you to bear the immigrants trouble too, but i will never forgive you for the protest vote as we could have used some of your empathy towards us, coz we knew this was coming before Trump got elected. I have no right to tell you anything, so I will leave you to think whatever you want, but I'll tell you that from my point of view, I loathe the republicans and the protest voters equally. I understand that the compromise candidates like Obama have wasted your trust but probably from our selfish perspective, you guys also stabbed us in the back.
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Oh stop with this liberal moral horse shit.

The recent political events are down to decade longs polices and even long historical trends, no amount of voting for the nice sounding guy in the suit who goes around blowing the legs off little brown kids at wedding receptions will fix the problems of both american and european society, in fact it only intrenches these problems even deeper''If you don't want to talk critically about liberalism then shut up about fascism''. Get a critique of the system that got us here rather than putting hope or blame on the actions of individuals.
 
Eboue said:
cool but i can read wikipedia too.
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The fact that you think someone must use Wikipedia to grasp one of the absolute must fundamental things in a company structure gives us a good idea about your level of knowledge.

Stick to those rehearsed phrases you guys go around chanting instead, easier that way.
 
mav_9me said:
What's this about?
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BBC did a docu-series called American High School and they’re looking at this white girl who is a student at Orangeburg-Wilkinson High School in South Carolina and also showing Orangeburg Prep.

OW is 99% black, OP is 99% white. Most of the area near the coast in SC is like that. It gets into the politics of desegregation and how all kinds of “segregation academies” (private schools) were founded in SC shortly after Brown v. Board of Education.
 
Congrats to the non-voters, protest voters, the new civil war enthusiasts & wannabe welfare mooches - you did all of us a solid. Great job! You really saved us & the country from big bad Hillary. Heroes!

Can't wait for the day you take a break from your tweeting, get up from mommy's couches & take to the streets to bring us the much awaited revolution.

Viva La Revolución!

 
ErranMorad said:
Congrats to the non-voters, protest voters, the new civil war enthusiasts & wannabe welfare mooches - you did all of us a solid. Great job! You really saved us & the country from big bad Hillary. Heroes!

Can't wait for the day you take a break from your tweeting, get up from mommy's couches & take to the streets to bring us the much awaited revolution.

Viva La Revolución!
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Eboue said:
*jerking off motion*
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Sweet Square said:
Oh stop with this liberal moral horse shit.

The recent political events are down to decade longs polices and even long historical trends, no amount of voting for the nice sounding guy in the suit who goes around blowing the legs off little brown kids at wedding receptions will fix the problems of both american and european society, in fact it only intrenches these problems even deeper''If you don't want to talk critically about liberalism then shut up about fascism''. Get a critique of the system that got us here rather than putting hope or blame on the actions of individuals.
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Feel free to critique whoever the feck you want but going into 2016 we all knew the stakes. 1 and potentially 2 sc judges not withstanding.
 
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