i dont think you are left wing
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i dont think you are left wing
Yes and no, because many (as proven time and time again) don't really know what they are voting for, or are voting for Religious reasons or are uneducated in what they are voting for due to Fox and Talk radio etc.
Like the miners in the rust belt who have suddenly realised their coal mining jobs arent coming back under Trump and as one said. "I would have been better building solar panels like Hillary promised us but my wife wants abortion banned so we would vote Trump again no matter what" Or something like that.. And they were worried as they lost their medical insurance too. It's on one of the Trump documentaries Channel 4 showed recently.
It's scary as hell how uneducated many US citizens are and how many are truly brainwashed by their religion too.
I agree, but then there have been 70 million people who voted for the orange buffon who wants to lose them the healthcare.
To be fair, I don't think that you're left wing too. More like a crazy nazi-like (but in the other direction) whom given the choice to vote between you and McTurtle, I would have stayed at home that day.
Sure, there are some of them who do that. And religion is a genuine thing, there are people for whom religion is by far the most important thing in their life, and yes, they are going to vote cause of religion same as you might be tempted to vote cause of civil rights or someone cause of economy. It is all subjective.
There are also a lot of other people who think that a free market with flat taxes is the best thing and it simulates the economy (and to be fair, economy has been doing brilliantly under Trump). Just cause I think that progressive taxes and very high taxes in the super rich is the best option, it doesn't mean that those other people are morons who want their lives to be ruined.
To be honest, any criticism of the 'uneducated' US voters could just as easily be applied to voters in the UK, from both the left and the right.
I just said I was sad to see people having worse lives. If they like being worse off if that means winning ideologically, then so be it, I will still feel sorry for them, especially children and teenagers, even if it sounds condescending.
jesus christ
- I wish McCain will die while he was battling the most aggressive form of brain cancer.
- I wish Musk will die.
- All billionaires should be killed.
- Stockholders are leeches.
etc etc. These aren't left-wing opinions, these are crazy bitter-man opinions.
If given power, people who have these opinions are very, very dangerous. Give me a keeping status quo Hillary ahead of a crazy person with God complex.
they are left wing opinions. they are common opinions among socialists. its clear that you have a very limited understanding of the political spectrum beyond different shades of free market capitalism
There's one upside to all these old white men in power. They will die relatively soon.
It sounds condescending because it is condescending. Most of GOP voters don't take getting worse lives in order to win ideologically. They think - rightly or wrongly - that they get better lives if GOP wins. Having a better life at the end of the day is quite subjective, and what is a better life for you or me, is not necessarily the same for someone else. Additionally, not all GOP voters are either ultra rich people or uneducated farmers. Even not living in US, I have met plenty of GOP voters who aren't neither idiots nor educated, and certainly not rich.
No, they are not. I missed Bernie's advertisement of 'let's kill rich people, folks'. 'Hey Joe, suck it, you tard with glioblastoma'.
Caf is almost exclusively with left wing people, and I don't remember other people wishing death on other people, and there are only a few 'there are no good Republicans' which in a conservative case means that 70m+ Americans are bad people.
Your opinions are as left wing as Kim Jong Un's.
I didn't mention rich, farmers or uneducated. I said, and you agreed, that things like not having healthcare or the freedom to have abortions are objectively bad things for the life of a person. I don't know how you can turn that into "for them not having healthcare and putting up with unwanted teenage pregnancies is a better life".
I maintain what I said, if it makes me condescending being sad that other people have worse and more difficult lives, than that's what I am.
Push hard midterms and go all out in 2020. Then stack the courts. Then again the US is a shitehole with idiots just like the UK so they probably think this is all great and go Trump for a second term.
again, bernie is not the extent of the left. the issue here is you dont understand the political spectrum yet still feel confident enough to make pronouncements about it
I don't know why you bother with him, it's clear that he's not someone who can be reasoned with.
Heard this before, but how exactly it will work? First, wouldn't any stacking of the courts be subject to a supreme court decision (in which case it becomes interesting to know will the new judges be allowed to vote, so it might represent a constitutional crisis), and second, how much that would change? If Democrats appoint 4 new judges, what is to stop Republicans to appoint another 8 new judges the next time they have the power? It will just be a farce and remove any remaining neutrality (not that there is much in the first place) from the court.
Yeah, having ultra-stupid opinions and calling everyone who disagrees with you a bad person or someone who doesn't understand things, while wishing death to people (something actually strictly against forum rules, so I don't even know why it has been tolerated so far) shows that you have a great depth of knowledge.
look, im sure you know a lot about whatever it is you study but you dont know much about american politics. its fine, i dont know anything about swiss politics. i just dont go around calling them nazi-like
also it was really cool when mccain died
Eboue is slowly becoming a personal hero of mine. Genuinely.
it's tankie when they really hate rich people and nazi when they really hate ethnic minorities, know your political insults people
Seriously? Are you not aware that the number of sitting justices is limited and that they are lifetime appointments.?
Very true. Good luck with that, America.
Listen I'm not American but have lived there a bunch and really want the best for it. Here's the situation lovely US voters: the GOP do not care about you unless you're old, wealthy and white. If you're not one of those things and you choose not to vote democrat next month, you're a f*cking traitor and deserve all you get.
Pretty much that simple at this stage.
Pretty much that simple at this stage.
There’s nothing left wing about wishing death on other people.
When we line the fascists up against the wall, Eboue will hand out the rifles.
I'm joking.
Probably.
This thread
Regardless of which wing one plays on, we can all agree there are people in this world that probably deserve to die for varying reasons.
I wouldnt call it an inherent left wing value but wishing death on a person like John McCain, responsible for thousands of deaths of people he never met, around the world doesnt preclude me from being left wing.
John McCain was a piece of shit both personally and professionally. His actions as a war criminal and a senator made life worse for millions of poor and marginalized Americans. His gleeful song about bombing Iran and his support for every foreign war imaginable caused death for thousands. It's a good thing he is dead so he cant advocate for more wars.
The McCain lovin was a bit baffling to be honest. I actually googled him at one point to see if the old warmongering cnut that ran for president might've been a different John McCain than this damn near holy champion of justice and all things good.
Ok I didnt actually google him, but still. Somehow you are absolved of beinga cnut when you die. Or something.
I wouldn't celebrate the death of anyone who had regressive views or some old car dealership owner who spends his days going to the Eagles club and watching fox news. I think people who choose to be private citizens should be judged on the actions as such.
But john mccain wasnt drafted. He was the son of an admiral chose to go to Vietnam and kill people who never injured him because it would help his career. Then be came back and spent 40 years doing things like calling his wife a cnut in public, singing bomb Iran to a beach boys tune, voting against Martin Luther King day, attacking anyone who questioned the Iraq war, and voting against healthcare and other parts of the social safety not for people who didnt marry an heiress like him. He chose to do these things as a public figure and should be judged accordingly.
By constitution, it isn't. It is just that it has been 9 for quite a long time, and it was 7 before that.
It has been discussed before in this forum that Democrats next time around need to revisit this in order to get majority, which IMO doesn't serve anything cause it just opens a constitutional crisis, and it gets undone the next time Republicans get power. Republican judges are relatively young (2 in fifties, 2 in sixties, with Thomas being the oldest at 70), so in the foreseeable future, it is hard to see Democrats having 5 judges. In fact, it is more possible to see Republicans having 6 or 7 considering that two of the sitting Democrat judges are in the eighties. So, it is really important for Democrats to somehow win the congress just in case, 1 or 2 of their judges dies or decides to retires cause they can't do the job anymore.
He's less nasty.
Most likely, McTurtle would have ended filibusters anyway, even if Reid didn't do that (for all judges bar SCOTUS) back then. And this tweet should have been posted when Gorsuch got appointed, anyway.
you have the luxury of looking at politics like it is a game with good people on both sides who just disagree and thinking they ought to follow roberts rules of order. i dont. when republicans and corporate democrats are in power, my family and friends are the ones who suffer. they are the ones whose houses get forclosed on, who lose healthcare, who get fired unfairly, who work long hours with lax safety regulations and never get a raise. they are the ones in flint who still dont have clean water while obama goes off to produce tv shows for netflix. they are the ones who worked their whole lives only to go bankrupt at 50 because their wife got cancer. they are the ones who are disabled and have their benefits cut to the point of homelessness meanwhile the bankers who crashed the economy got a bailout and eric holder did absolutely fecking nothing about it. they are the ones who get lied to by military recruiters and sent off to kill while eric prince sits atop a pile of cash. they are the ones making $36,000 as a teacher and still have to spend $900 on supplies for their underfunded classrooms while betsy devos has ten yachts. you dont get to preach to me about decorum and norms. the message that these people have for me and my friends and family and community is simple: "drop dead". hatred towards them is the least we can do in response. the very least.
Did he swear on the Holy Calendar?
And hereinlies the problem. Nobody will read or quote this because it's a reasoned response. They will just pick at you with soundbites because it's easier, fits with their agenda and because they are lazy or know they cant win a debate with you.
Personally I think you went too softly on stockholders. Leeches is too polite. Bloodsucking lecherous cnuts is more apt.
I don't think you're a crazy Nazi type, just misunderstood or often an easy target which is ironic because I doubt there are many here who care as much as you do. I know you can defend yourself but sorry I can't sit and watch people pick at you all the time when they are either being deliberately obtuse or taking what you say out of context.
Personally I don't wish death on people, but John McCain was a piece of shit and he absolutely was the one person who had opportunity to take Trump down and stand up for his party and values. He was dying, he had nothing to lose and he kept quiet while being attacked by Trump and while watching Trump take power and destroy his party. If he cared so fecking much he could have come out and fought back, but he didn't. Why? Because he despised Trump, but he despised the left more. He saw Trump as the lesser of two evils. So feck him.
Oh and he's responsible for Sarah fecking Palin and that is reason enough alone to wish ill on the prick for eternity.