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Well said. Personally I am not even convinced a HRC justice would be much different than Kavanaugh. I don't believe the Republicans in power actually care about overturning Roe v. Wade. I think that's more just dog whistling to keep the evangelical block voting for them. But what they really care about - the massive move towards protecting corporations and the rich while disenfranchising the poor and working class - I have no confidence in former WalMart Board member HRC on that major issue. That's the only agenda that most of the Republicans in power really care about anyway. I am not convinced that HRC wouldn't have just nominated a judge who was simply verbally more supportive of Roe sure, but wouldn't have cared about trying to overturn Citizens Untied.

Roe is just the tip of the iceberg. Nearly all Dems want Citizens United overturned (even McCain wanted it overturned), which is where the advantage of having a Dem president would've been handy.
 
As I said, I don't believe overturning Roe is actually something they are going to do or even give two fecks about. Trump certainly doesn't care about overturning Roe. I think they care far more about pushing the Citizens United type decisions to protect corporations more than they actually care about overturning Roe.


If somebody brings a case then they have to decide whether address it. I can see them being petitioned by people who think there's a chance to overturn it. Then they have to make a decision.
 
Basically, Kavanaugh isn't SCOTUS today because Flake and Coons are pals who got into a phone booth to ask Rosenstein if he could do an investigation in 7 days.
 
Roe is just the tip of the iceberg. Nearly all Dems want Citizens United overturned (even McCain wanted it overturned), which is where the advantage of having a Dem president would've been handy.

Any other Dem President I'd agree, but I'm not convinced the Clinton clan actually wants it overturned (of course they will say anything to get elected). People have to realize that some of us, our families and our communities were directly ravaged by Clintonian policies in the 90s - particularly all the superpredator tough on crime, 3 strikes crap but also DOMA, the dismantling of welfare safety nets and then FSMA and CFMA.

Fool me once shame on you, but fool me two, three, four times? Not happening.
 
Basically, Kavanaugh isn't SCOTUS today because Flake and Coons are pals who got into a phone booth to ask Rosenstein if he could do an investigation in 7 days.

Well and also because Murky and Collins don't want the exposure of a yes vote if they can get away with it.
 
Any other Dem President I'd agree, but I'm not convinced the Clinton clan actually wants it overturned (of course they will say anything to get elected). People have to realize that some of us, our families and our communities were directly ravaged by Clintonian policies in the 90s - particularly all the superpredator tough on crime, 3 strikes crap but also DOMA, the dismantling of welfare safety nets and then FSMA and CFMA.

Fool me once shame on you, but fool me two, three, four times? Not happening.

So your default compromise option is Trump then?
 
If this investigation uncovers something substantial which leads to the non-confirmation of Kavanaugh (and Flake votes no) , I'd praise him as well.
Praise him if Kavanaugh's voted down, if you really want to. Just after he's actually voted Kavanaugh through committee (despite the guy having lied through his hearing) and done a slight backtrack to save himself face after being publicly shamed, though?
 
I mean, there's some fairly decent evidence that Hillary Clinton wasn't a fan of the Citizens United ruling.
 
Praise him if Kavanaugh's voted down, if you really want to. Just after he's actually voted Kavanaugh through committee (despite the guy having lied through his hearing) and done a slight backtrack to save himself face after being publicly shamed, though?
If he voted no in committee that would end the nomination though. The other option would be to delay that proceeding but I am not sure if it would be possible.
 
It’s either one or the other isn’t it. If there’s another option than the two major party nominees then I’m all ears.

I dont believe that people must vote for one of the two big parties.

If neither party has an attractive candidate then its the fault of the party not the voters who choose not to support a candidate that has already done a lot of damage to communities
 
I dont believe that people must vote for one of the two big parties.

If neither party has an attractive candidate then its the fault of the party not the voters who choose not to support a candidate that has already done a lot of damage to communities

Even if it might save the country from all the shit happening like right now?
 
Praise him if Kavanaugh's voted down, if you really want to. Just after he's actually voted Kavanaugh through committee (despite the guy having lied through his hearing) and done a slight backtrack to save himself face after being publicly shamed, though?

Indeed. Its way too early to praise Flake for anything.
 
Basically, Kavanaugh isn't SCOTUS today because Flake and Coons are pals who got into a phone booth to ask Rosenstein if he could do an investigation in 7 days.

Isn't that what a Democrat tried to pressure Kavanaugh to agree to in the hearing?

You're not going to get any Republicans to be harder on a Republican's nominee than the most 'reasonable' Democrat.
 
Isn't that what a Democrat tried to pressure Kavanaugh to agree to in the hearing?

You're not going to get any Republicans to be harder on a Republican's nominee than the most 'reasonable' Democrat.

Yep...to which he tap danced around the question.
 
Why is this question never asked of the Hillary supporters and the DNC who saw the polls saying bernie would have beaten trump and insisted on Hillary anyway? Why dont we ask them if they have regrets or Robbie Mook if he regrets telling volunteers not to go to Michigan? Or Hillary Clinton if she regrets never going to Wisconsin? Or anyone involved in the Tim Kaine decision if they regret picking someone so devoid of charisma? Or John Podesta if he regrets elevating Donald Trump in the primaries? Or Neera Tanden if she regrets saying we should take Libya's oil?

Kavanaugh is clearly a horrible person on a personal level but when it comes down to how his decisions on the court affect people, hes no different than any other federalist society slimeball that trump would have nominated. The court was going to need to be packed anyway. DC and Puerto Rico statehood needed to happen anyway.

What kind of judge do you think Hillary Clinton could get past this senate? Alito lite most likely. Look at elena Kagan. Besides her not hating gay people she would fit right into the 1980s republican party.

I dont understand a position like yours unless you also applied it to Gorsuch. I dont understand how people can say that the answer to a party and an ideology that hates most of the people in this country and whose policies kill the poor on a daily basis is wet blanket liberalism.

I said the whole election process that I would never vote for Hillary and on election day I wavered but eventually didnt vote for her. I dont blame anyone who made the other decision. How each of us rationalizes it is up to them. But I couldn't vote for her knowing she had thousands of bodies on her and knowing that she learned no lessons from that and her presidency would cause thousands more deaths.

Well said that man. It's down to how how individuals live with their conscience and rationalise their choice. I don't blame those who didn't vote for Hillary for reasons like you stated. I blame the apathetic voters who couldn't be arsed to vote and I blame those that voted for Trump.

This shit is getting boring though. It's over 2 years in now and people are still banging on about Hillary and you are having to defend and explain your position at least once a week.

It's done now. Can't we move on from this shit?
 
Same here. It's to the point where I'm intentionally trying to avoid anything political save this board. I'm also getting to a stage where I may need to weed some close friends/family members out of my life as I'm fully seeing how warped they are in their ideological support, to the point they no longer think for themselves.

Yep. I've had to take steps re my sister and the whole Brexit fiasco.

Wheat from the chaff time.
 
What the fecks a benjamin?

yours, an old guy

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Anyone see Sasse's spiel? I've seen a few FB posts praising it. I found it good at some points but lost in the entire spiel is that he's still nominating a partisan hack to serve on the SCOTUS. Which goes against the entire premise of his spiel about the people.
 

What has any of that got to do with anything? Dr. Ford partied in college, so that means... I don't know, that she's as bad as the man who tried to rape her?

Then again, it was posted by a Federalist contributor who frequently retweets Cernovich, so it might as well be the ramblings of an insane person.

Also, the right-wingers are right now busy painting Ford as a teenage alcoholic who slept around.
 
Michael Moore has repeatedly debunked this weird and annoying myth. Bernie voters on the left were not the reason Clinton lost. Bernie voters voted for Clinton in greater numbers than Clinton voters in 2008 voted for Obama. The swing voters Moore identified long before the Nov. election that Clinton ignored were by and large working class centrists.

No voter should ever be blamed for voting for who they believe is the best candidate. The only ones who deserve blame are the DNC for ramming a horrible candidate down the voters throats with a ridiculous "its her turn" angle.

Also, maybe next time the Democrats will realize that you have no moral high ground to accuse Trump of being a womanizer when your standard bearer spent over a decade demonizing and attacking female accusers of her husband's sexual misconduct. There is probably not a women in the world with LESS #metoo credentials than DOMA/3 Strikes/Iraq War supporting HRClinton.

that's a fact.
 
Just saw the clip of Durbin questioning Kavanaugh about resisting an FBI investigation. It does say a lot about the latter.
 

What has any of that got to do with anything? Dr. Ford partied in college, so that means... I don't know, that she's as bad as the man who tried to rape her?

Then again, it was posted by a Federalist contributor who frequently retweets Cernovich, so it might as well be the ramblings of an insane person.

Also, the right-wingers are right now busy painting Ford as a teenage alcoholic who slept around.

Good to see she's sticking by her twitter bio

Political philosophy: Don’t meddle.
 
Just saw the clip of Durbin questioning Kavanaugh about resisting an FBI investigation. It does say a lot about the latter.
I still think so called FBI background checks will prove that that guy drank a lot and probably even had an issue with alcohol back then. And Republicans will say so there was no evidence for sexual assaults. We confirm him and That's it.

They would not give a dam about his other lies.
 
I still think so called FBI background checks will prove that that guy drank a lot and probably even had an issue with alcohol back then. And Republicans will say so there was no evidence for sexual assaults. We confirm him and That's it.

They would not give a dam about his other lies.

Probably.

But his resistance and the resistance to an investigation in general is interesting to say the least.
 

What has any of that got to do with anything? Dr. Ford partied in college, so that means... I don't know, that she's as bad as the man who tried to rape her?

Then again, it was posted by a Federalist contributor who frequently retweets Cernovich, so it might as well be the ramblings of an insane person.

Also, the right-wingers are right now busy painting Ford as a teenage alcoholic who slept around.


That is an odd thing to post. Many young sexual assault victims go off the rails as teens. Besides, her conduct after the event isn't an issue here. She's not the one being nominated.